Temugin vs Gorgon

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
How was he supposed to dodge a ground pound from superhuman giant? 😕 That was a cheap shot anyway.

I won't even comment on Mr X instance, troll.

first of all explain the reason why do you call me a troll

second of all after he was surprised by that attack next panel they show him jumping and fighting that huge giant and next panel we see him flying to the ground because he was hit by that giant, now someone with such a super human speed as you all try to state here about gorgon would be able to avoid hits from huge slow giant as spider-man did his entire career

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
How was he supposed to dodge a ground pound from superhuman giant? 😕

By jumping up.

I'm also curious as to how it was a cheap shot when they were in the middle of a fight. If Gorgon stops and starts taunting them he cannot expect them not to retaliate. In fact, any retard would've seen an attack coming.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
By jumping up.

I'm also curious as to how it was a cheap shot when they were in the middle of a fight. If Gorgon stops and starts taunting them he cannot expect them not to retaliate. In fact, any retard would've seen an attack coming.

ye it kinda makes me wonder where was his amazing above emma frost telepathic abilities and mind reading 😛

Originally posted by jebadaya
first of all explain the reason why do you call me a troll

second of all after he was surprised by that attack next panel they show him jumping and fighting that huge giant and next panel we see him flying to the ground because he was hit by that giant, now someone with such a super human speed as you all try to state here about gorgon would be able to avoid hits from huge slow giant as spider-man did his entire career

Honestly? I think you're a sock. Posting some shit about religion, mtv and demons chewing souls in versus thread and ignoring context don't help either.

If you read the comic, you'd know that most of the fight happened off-panel. We can't even be sure that it was Stonewall that hit him the second time. Although that seems very probable.

Spider-Man? 😂 Don't make me laugh. He got grabbed recently by Rulk (that's much worse than just getting tagged) and I'd love to see him avoiding ground pound from superhuman giant which is most likely Class 100+.

We don't know how fast Stonewall is in that new form. What we do know is that Fury trained him... so that really doesn't help your case 😬

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
By jumping up.

I'm also curious as to how it was a cheap shot when they were in the middle of a fight. If Gorgon stops and starts taunting them he cannot expect them not to retaliate. In fact, any retard would've seen an attack coming.

Flying debris would still hit him.

He didn't expect him to go giant and that happened pretty much instantly. One trick pony.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Flying debris would still hit him.

He didn't expect him to go giant and that happened pretty much instantly. One trick pony.

Flying debris does not cover an entire area. And if he truly is fast enough to see bullets comic, how can he not move out of the way here? If he has superhuman speed, why was he not fast enough to see Mr.Big hit the ground?

You did not explain how it was a cheapshot. Gorgon was expecting an attack, what kind of an attack doesn't matter. Once they're engaged in a fight, any attack coming from one of the two combatants is not a cheap shot 😐

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Honestly? I think you're a sock. Posting some shit about religion, mtv and demons chewing souls in versus thread and ignoring context don't help either.

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Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Spider-Man? 😂 Don't make me laugh. He got grabbed recently by Rulk (that's much worse than just getting tagged) and I'd love to see him avoiding ground pound from superhuman giant which is most likely Class 100+. [/B]

that's what's called a "low showing" do you want me to come up with a few of Wolverines? 🙂 maybe the deer kick 😆

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Honestly? I think you're a sock. Posting some shit about religion, mtv and demons chewing souls in versus thread and ignoring context don't help either.

If you read the comic, you'd know that most of the fight happened off-panel. We can't even be sure that it was Stonewall that hit him the second time. Although that seems very probable.

Spider-Man? 😂 Don't make me laugh. He got grabbed recently by Rulk (that's much worse than just getting tagged) and I'd love to see him avoiding ground pound from superhuman giant which is most likely Class 100+.

We don't know how fast Stonewall is in that new form. What we do know is that Fury trained him... so that really doesn't help your case 😬

Flying debris would still hit him.

He didn't expect him to go giant and that happened pretty much instantly. One trick pony.

i dont know if you will ever forgive me but i dont really care if you think i am a troll or what ever because for now you are the only one here to actually troll and flame people without any reason so you better cool down

most of the fight happen off panel? we can see clearly at the beginning that he got bigger and pammel down gorgon to the ground, now if gorgon is such an amazing telepath that can read minds and moves and what ever you stated then how come he got hit like that? he was suppose to read his mind and know he is about to attack, i guess gorgon isnt such a great mind reader after all

the fight was between gorgon and stonewall and we see gorgon flying all bleeding so it was a hit from stonewall because no one else could have done this since it was a 1 on 1 fight

oh come on dont even try to hint that stonewall got some kind of super speed, he was trained by fury? first of all he was beat up by fury thats a little different then trained you are talking like he was trained by the guy since he was a kid all nick fury did was beat him down and show him his power mean nothing , and explain me how is beaing trained by nick fury makes you super fast ? 😕

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Flying debris does not cover an entire area. And if he truly is fast enough to see bullets comic, how can he not move out of the way here? If he has superhuman speed, why was he not fast enough to see Mr.Big hit the ground?

You did not explain how it was a cheapshot. Gorgon was expecting an attack, what kind of an attack doesn't matter. Once they're engaged in a fight, any attack coming from one of the two combatants is not a cheap shot 😐

And what about the shockwave?

Fine, I expressed myself wrong. What I meant is it was a one trick pony. He still semi-dodged it...

Originally posted by Parmaniac
that's what's called a "low showing" do you want me to come up with a few of Wolverines? 🙂 maybe the deer kick 😆

Then he has many, many low showings... 😗

You mean when someone scared the deer Logan was trying to sneak up on and was still conscious after the kick?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW

You mean when someone scared the deer Logan was trying to sneak up on and was still conscious after the kick?

no one said the deer owned him or something its just that a deer was fast enough to knock wolverine down to the ground

Originally posted by jebadaya
i dont know if you will ever forgive me but i dont really care if you think i am a troll or what ever because for now you are the only one here to actually troll and flame people without any reason so you better cool down

most of the fight happen off panel? we can see clearly at the beginning that he got bigger and pammel down gorgon to the ground, now if gorgon is such an amazing telepath that can read minds and moves and what ever you stated then how come he got hit like that? he was suppose to read his mind and know he is about to attack, i guess gorgon isnt such a great mind reader after all

the fight was between gorgon and stonewall and we see gorgon flying all bleeding so it was a hit from stonewall because no one else could have done this since it was a 1 on 1 fight

oh come on dont even try to hint that stonewall got some kind of super speed, he was trained by fury? first of all he was beat up by fury thats a little different then trained you are talking like he was trained by the guy since he was a kid all nick fury did was beat him down and show him his power mean nothing , and explain me how is beaing trained by nick fury makes you super fast ? 😕

I'm not sure why I even waste time on you, mr soon-to-be-banned 🙂

No, it wasn't a 1 on 1 fight. Re-read the comic and then come back. And don't put words in my mouth.

Originally posted by jebadaya
no one said the deer owned him or something its just that a deer was fast enough to knock wolverine down to the ground

That happens all the time in the comics, slower beings tagging faster ones... I could reminisce about some random thugs punching Parker.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I'm not sure why I even waste time on you, mr soon-to-be-banned 🙂

No, it wasn't a 1 on 1 fight. Re-read the comic and then come back. And don't put words in my mouth.

That happens all the time in the comics, slower beings tagging faster ones... I could reminisce about some random thugs punching Parker.

oh let me guess you ran to report me... typical for people like you

gorgon was fighting 1 on 1 with stonewall and on panel he was the only one to fight him so there is no reason on earth to even suggest someone else hit him off panel thats dumb because either way it would be mentioned in the comics or hinter someone came to stonewalls help not that he needed he did just fine with gorgon

so why do you try to defend that deer scan? i know that its a low showing but you are trying to make that showing as an ok one so i can show you its not

Originally posted by jebadaya
oh let me guess you ran to report me... typical for people like you

gorgon was fighting 1 on 1 with stonewall and on panel he was the only one to fight him so there is no reason on earth to even suggest someone else hit him off panel thats dumb because either way it would be mentioned in the comics or hinter someone came to stonewalls help not that he needed he did just fine with gorgon

so why do you try to defend that deer scan? i know that its a low showing but you are trying to make that showing as an ok one so i can show you its not

No, I don't report people.

Funny because there was chaos everywhere and SW was busy swatting away other enemies. It was Howling Commandos&Secret Warriors vs. HYDRA vs. HAMMER.

I do defend it because many people think Logan was knocked out, which is not true.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
No, I don't report people.

Funny because there was chaos everywhere and SW was busy swatting away other enemies. It was Howling Commandos&Secret Warriors vs. HYDRA vs. HAMMER.

I do defend it because many people think Logan was knocked out, which is not true.

ye but we could clearly see that gorgon oponnent was stonewall and in another pannel we saw everyone fighting someone and gorgon going 1 on 1 with stone wall, next panel you see gorgon flying down to the ground so seriously any logic would tell you he got hit down by stonewall

well logan wasnt knocked out at all and it can be debated that he was pretending to be knocked down in order to do his ninja feat later on and see how his student will react

Originally posted by jebadaya
ye but we could clearly see that gorgon oponnent was stonewall and in another pannel we saw everyone fighting someone and gorgon going 1 on 1 with stone wall, next panel you see gorgon flying down to the ground so seriously any logic would tell you he got hit down by stonewall

I even admitted that it seems the most probable... but that doesn't change the fact we didn't see the whole fight. Gorgon probably couldn't hurt him much. In that fight Spidey would get tagged sooner or later, too.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I even admitted that it seems the most probable... but that doesn't change the fact we didn't see the whole fight. Gorgon probably couldn't hurt him much. In that fight Spidey would get tagged sooner or later, too.

well yeah i guess i have to agree on this because my logic tells me 2

still i am sure if spider-man was fighting stonewall he would do some impresive avoiding like jumping around fliping and everything until he would get tagged eventually but it seem that gorgon wasnt able to avoid any hit... still as i agree we didnt see the entire fight but if the writer wanted to show some amazing speed and reflex from gorgon he would show him avoiding stonewall

my whole point was that in my opinion and based on what i saw in the comics people here really gave gorgon too much credit he is not some kind of superman and not even spider-man level at speed and agility

Originally posted by jebadaya
well yeah i guess i have to agree on this because my logic tells me 2

still i am sure if spider-man was fighting stonewall he would do some impresive avoiding like jumping around fliping and everything until he would get tagged eventually but it seem that gorgon wasnt able to avoid any hit... still as i agree we didnt see the entire fight but if the writer wanted to show some amazing speed and reflex from gorgon he would show him avoiding stonewall

my whole point was that in my opinion and based on what i saw in the comics people here really gave gorgon too much credit he is not some kind of superman and not even spider-man level at speed and agility

Wasn't able to avoid any hit? I disagree. Did he get splattered then? No, it was the shockwave which smacked him away. And he got right back on his feet and was JUMPING AROUND... why did you ignore that is beyond me...

That issue didn't focus on their fight. It's a team book. Bendis is fairly new to writing Gorgon anyway.

I'd say he's above Spidey in combat speed 'cause he impressed Logan and Elektra twice and Secret Warriors.

Is he as agile? No. Does he cling to walls like him? No. Does he have Spidey Sense? No, he has low-lv telepathy though. But in sheer combat speed he's Parker's superior. IMO, of course.

Originally posted by jebadaya
well yeah i guess i have to agree on this because my logic tells me 2

still i am sure if spider-man was fighting stonewall he would do some impresive avoiding like jumping around fliping and everything until he would get tagged eventually but it seem that gorgon wasnt able to avoid any hit... still as i agree we didnt see the entire fight but if the writer wanted to show some amazing speed and reflex from gorgon he would show him avoiding stonewall

my whole point was that in my opinion and based on what i saw in the comics people here really gave gorgon too much credit he is not some kind of superman and not even spider-man level at speed and agility

I disagree there too. By definition he has superhuman speed. He has the reflexes and quickness to lop the hands off a quicksilver level speedster. And the editors went throught the trouble of flat out having him state just how fast he was.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW

If you read the comic, you'd know that most of the fight happened off-panel. We can't even be sure that it was Stonewall that hit him the second time. Although that seems very probable.

Stilt don't start smoking crack again. I hope your not trying to imply that its speculation that Stonewall hit Gorgon in that panel?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Stilt don't start smoking crack again.

You can't stop thinking about your favorite addiction, can you?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I hope your not trying to imply that its speculation that Stonewall hit Gorgon in that panel?

When Madame Hydra and Viper collected the ancient box, the fight was still going on, off-panel. We don't know who owned Kraken so badly, for example. Quake could've blasted Gorgon. It really didn't have to be Stonewall.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW

When Madame Hydra and Viper collected the ancient box, the fight was still going on, off-panel. We don't know who owned Kraken so badly, for example. Quake could've blasted Gorgon. It really didn't have to be Stonewall.

Not talking about Kraken. It might not have been Stonewall but it probably was him, its common sense.