Temugin vs Gorgon

Originally posted by iceman24567
It's obvious that Gorgon isn't speedblitzing Tem.

People seem to forget that Gorgon can end this easier then Tem can.

TP gorgon wins solidly, with out, it debatable. If gorgon goes right for a sword he could win it, but if not he might loses due to Tem punching power and with out TP he would not know just how powerful

Originally posted by thanos-prime
here is temugins combat speed
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/4/41804/886208-ironmantemugin5_super.jpg

Originally posted by Battlehammer
no one saying he speed blizt him, were saying he get the first strikes off. which would end the fight. Tem never shown the ability to take such piercing attacks and keep fighting.

Interestingly enough in his first appearance Temugin's training was recalled in a flashback montage which included a scene of him using chi to increase his resistance to bladed weapons. Swords were shown to be unable to pierce his flesh. Just saying.

However one of his corrupt disciples was able to stab him in the back, though it should be noted Temugin was caught totally unawares.
Puma also severed his hand, though again I have a feeling Temugin was distracted.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

People seem to forget that Gorgon can end this easier then Tem can.

Not necessarily. Temugin could (with his extremely powerful punching power) literally punch a hole in Gorgon's head. Enough for the ko I think.

He could also (considering he is strong enough to wreck Iron Man's armour and flip over a main battle tank) easily tear Gorgon limb from limb.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

TP gorgon wins solidly, with out, it debatable. If gorgon goes right for a sword he could win it, but if not he might loses due to Tem punching power and with out TP he would not know just how powerful

I agree Gorgon wins with TP enabled simply because I have not seen anything from Tem to suggest he can resist Gorgon's mind reading.

Without it however I think Temugin would take most. His blunt force trauma resistance is legitimately at brick levels.

Early on he showed the ability to resist blades when concentrating so he may still be able to do so in a fight.

Even so he is still an exceptional fighter so I'm not sure Gorgon armed with a sword will be landing strikes on him left right and centre.
Logan and Elektra were utterly slicing and dicing him when his TP was negated,so I for one am not overly impressed with his innate martial skill. *shrugs*

If Gorgon goes unarmed against Temugin without TP I think he would get severely thrashed to be honest.

If he mostly uses a sword without TP, he will fare much better but still ultimately lose I think.

Originally posted by Warrior18
Interestingly enough in his first appearance Temugin's training was recalled in a flashback montage which included a scene of him using chi to increase his resistance to bladed weapons. Swords were shown to be unable to pierce his flesh. Just saying.

However one of his corrupt disciples was able to stab him in the back, though it should be noted Temugin was caught totally unawares.
Puma also severed his hand, though again I have a feeling Temugin was distracted.

Not necessarily. Temugin could (with his extremely powerful punching power) literally punch a hole in Gorgon's head. Enough for the ko I think.

He could also (considering he is strong enough to wreck Iron Man's armour and flip over a main battle tank) easily tear Gorgon limb from limb.

I agree Gorgon wins with TP enabled simply because I have not seen anything from Tem to suggest he can resist Gorgon's mind reading.

Without it however I think Temugin would take most. His blunt force trauma resistance is legitimately at brick levels.

Early on he showed the ability to resist blades when concentrating so he may still be able to do so in a fight.

Even so he is still an exceptional fighter so I'm not sure Gorgon armed with a sword will be landing strikes on him left right and centre.
Logan and Elektra were utterly slicing and dicing him when his TP was negated,so I for one am not overly impressed with his innate martial skill. *shrugs*

If Gorgon goes unarmed against Temugin without TP I think he would get severely thrashed to be honest.

If he mostly uses a sword without TP, he will fare much better but still ultimately lose I think.

Originally posted by Warrior18

I agree Gorgon wins with TP enabled simply because I have not seen anything from Tem to suggest he can resist Gorgon's mind reading.

What suggests he can resist TP is that he is a high-level chi manipulator. Of course there is a possibility that he can't do it but looking at some of the things hes done theres a good chance he can. Mantis has shown the ability to do it and some of Tem feats surpass Mantis. Mantis is a esoteric martial artist like Tem.

warrior summed it up nicely. phantom i agree there is a good chance he could block the tp, but until he shows he can i dont think its a viable option in this thread.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
What suggests he can resist TP is that he is a high-level chi manipulator. Of course there is a possibility that he can't do it but looking at some of the things hes done theres a good chance he can. Mantis has shown the ability to do it and some of Tem feats surpass Mantis. Mantis is a esoteric martial artist like Tem.

Marvel Boy did something to Temugin's mind and scared the hell out of him. I'm not too clued up on Marvel Boy's powers though.

I agree. I could easily imagine Temugin having some kind of esoteric TP resistance but I'm not really going to give him the benefit of the doubt against a guy who has mind raped a confirmed telepath, until I see him do something erstwhile in that regard.

Originally posted by batosaimsx
They both suck

I would love to hear what loser you support. Probably some spandex wearing f*****.

So people are to assume that Temugin can block Gorgon telepathy even though he never shown such an ability and Gorgon been able to read Elektra mind easily who has telepathy and Wolverine who shown to have crazy mental defences capable of blocking out many telepath including Emma Frost/

Temugin resisted Venus' mind-control. The later Marvel Boy attack was atttributed to surprise, as it had happened after Temugin had stopped fighting.

Originally posted by VanMae
Temugin resisted Venus' mind-control. The later Marvel Boy attack was atttributed to surprise, as it had happened after Temugin had stopped fighting.

Originally posted by VanMae
Temugin resisted Venus' mind-control. The later Marvel Boy attack was atttributed to surprise, as it had happened after Temugin had stopped fighting.

Temugin for the winorz. C'mon what more do you want.

mind controll and reading some ones mind is extremely different, it far harder to controll anothers mind and a lot of the time it has to do with will power.

but lets jsut ignore that fact Gorgon has easily read the mind of a telepath and of wolverine who has vastly better on pannel shown resistences to telepaths then Temugin, but lets just ignore this shall we 🙄

Nah you dont say but the evidence is mounting that he can resist TP. Who did Gorgon read Elektra?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Nah you dont say but the evidence is mounting that he can resist TP. Who did Gorgon read Elektra?

Yes he did read Elektra effortlessly. He also read Wolverine who has display vast protection from Telepaths, but of courses you keep ignoring this.

so gorgon read to individuals who have both shown far greater resistences to telepathy and many many more times then Temugin, but your just going to ignore this? awosome, how can anyone withstand your awosome style of debating......ignore ignore then ignore some more and pretend your winning, man how can I keep up with that 🙄

Could go either way.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Could go either way.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
That sounds reasonable. I believe gorgon takes it with TP, but would loses with out it the majority of the time due to the scenerio

Probably.

also he took punches from stonewall and was fine he just got right back up charging again.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
also he took punches from stonewall and was fine he just got right back up charging again.

gorgon will win , when did he get beat up by stonewall?