Superman/WWH vs Thor/Abomination(Orig Lvl)

Originally posted by The Pict
Not to be sniping but also based on history it's possible for WWH to burn out while fighting a being rivaling his power, like what happened against Sentry. I could definitely see that happening in a fight between Thor and WWH. That being said Team One still take it.

Actually, he didn't burn out. Sentry's aura has a calming effect on Hulk that would not only cap Hulk's power, but also calm him to the point of reverting to Banner.

Regular Savage Hulk has gone all-out before with equal beings, like stalemating regular Thor for hours while they were both exerting as much as possible.

In addition, WWHulk wasn't going all-out against Sentry, even though Sentry was going all-out. "All-out" means to use every drop of power they have. World Breaker's showing directly indicates that prior to reaching the World Breaker level, WWHulk had never used anywhere near his maximum.

So, WWHulk did not burn out. Sentry did. WWHulk reverted because of Sentry's aura. That's what Sentry's aura does. It calms Hulk on a biological level. And when calm enough, Hulk reverts.

Anyway, Team One takes this without much trouble. Abomination drops in the first twenty seconds. Thor doesn't last much longer after that. Hulk is stronger and Superman's faster. And each one easily possess all the right attributes to contend with Thor in other areas like durability and skill.

Team 1.

Each time.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you're telling me Thor isn't aware of when he is at full power or not? He had his full power restored for the fight. You are the one being hardheaded.

Do I have to post scans? During that arc his powers were so ****ed up he didn't even know what level he was at. At one point he and Enchantress were in the park, and he stamps his hammer on the ground to summon lightning and surprised that his powerless again.

His power levels were truly messed with at that point. I do not see how anyone could know what level he was at. So like I said, that fight proves nothing as Thor could have been half as powerful, nearly fully powered, or a bit above a normal Asgardian. His levels were totally ambiguous. You have absolutely no evidence to back up the fact that he was fully powered unless I'm missing a few pages from my comic.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am going based on how they fight in comics and who it favors, Hulk.

And in the comics it's always a stalemate and the Hulk has never come out on top. Hell, Thor is the only one out of the two with a legit win.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am talking about later in the fight when Thor tossed his hammer away just because the Hulk said he needed it. Thor was outsmarted by retard Hulk.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/hulkthor2fight21.jpg

Are you referring to that?

Granted he threw it away but he wasn't outsmarted by the Hulk. That would indicate that Hulk had wanted him to throw his hammer away which clearly wasn't the case in this moment. He wanted it before while they were fighting hence the hostage.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We have seen Thor go all out before on Hulk. He wasn't restraining himself in ih 440.

Like I said that issue his power level was totally ambiguous.

Other than that, he has always shown restraint. Even stating he didn't want to seriously harm the Hulk and worried about his safety.

The only other time Thor shown even a sign of going to the death was against Banner less Hulk.

Originally posted by quanchi112
In the reigning that was King Thor. He didn't defeat him with a lightning bolt. He had him at bay and then Hulk recovered. If that's a victory then the Hulk beat him in the same exact issue.

That was not King Thor. He had the Odin Force removed by Doctor Strange using the power given to him by the Skyfathers of Earth. Thor defeated Savage Hulk and the Thing on his own.

Yes he did.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/hulkthor6fight13.jpg

He was down and out.

Originally posted by quanchi112
WW Hulk took him on easily with the enchantment intact.

And when Juggernaut was not amped or Thor was not sick/weakened Thor took him on just as easily. Hell, Thor looked better than the Hulk.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You can't even prove Thor can beat a weaker, dumber Hulk. It's only logical to assume WW Hulk beats him based on the fact Thor can't beat any Hulk.

Your logic is that Green Scar is so superior to Savage Hulk and since he hasn't beaten Savage Hulk (Which he has. During Reigining.) he cannot beat or even hold his own against Green Scar (Because I think at least it will be a stalemate. You seem to think he'll get owned in strength.) am I correct?

You'd have a very good point except the fact that Thor took and even gained the advantage over Banner less Hulk (Onslaught Hulk) whose feats were more impressive than Green Scars.

So yea, the argument that "Green Scar > Savage Hulk", which would mean "Green Scar > Thor" won't fly. Thor has been able to match the Hulk no matter which incarnation, which would make sense. Thor holds back against the Hulk. The only other option is that Thor's strength is dynamic. Do you agree with the former or latter?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, this is about as close as it gets to Thor admitting inferiority to anyone. Hulk is stronger. He has proven it before and Thor relies on his hammer as the equalizer. Without it he gets bloodied up.

No it isn’t. When an opponent is more powerful or stronger, he has straight up admitted in the past. Sometimes he over exaggerates but other times his shown to be legit inferior, admit it, fight through and even win, in the end win if he pushed (He Holds back.). Mangog and Destroyer come to mind clearly.

No Hulk isn’t stronger based on their fights. If he was, Thor wouldn’t manage to stalemate him. Based on potential, then theoretically Hulk would get stronger. Unfortunately after hours of fighting, that hasn’t happened.

Bullshit. When Thor has the hammer in hand he has the advantage. He either knocks Hulk around, or knocks him down etc. The only time this hasn’t been the case is when he was fluctuating in power. Do I have to post scans of each and every one of their fights?

Bloodied up? You act as if he gets beaten or something. The worst damage the Hulk has ever done to Thor is a bruise, and that’s by constantly stomping and pounding on him. Thor get’s three consecutive hits to the face and Thor has Hulk on the ground bleeding. As much as he gets into the battle he doesn’t fight with Hulk’s ferocity. He doesn’t press the advantage once the Hulk is down and asks for his surrender and so on.

The Hulk hasn’t proven his stronger.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, but my point was unless they were in direct path of anything Thor wasn't aware of it. he was lost in the moment of the battle. This is just what I said. You were wrong again.

Next time you comment on something, be more specific.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Like I said earlier he forgot about the innocents briefly in his battle with the Hulk.

You simply said that Thor endangered innocents in his battle with the Hulk. And I’ve been telling you for this entire thread that Thor was coherent of what he was doing, he stopped fighting and endangered himself for innocents twice, and once even contemplated of running away, to let Hulk calm down.

It’s funny how you agree with what I’ve been saying the entire thread, then go on say I’m wrong in the same paragraph.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It depends on the level of anger and the situation. Thor has never bested Hulk and has fought him for that long which hurts his case more than anything that he won't fight intelligently against the Hulk.

In a battle where we compare strength how does it hurt his case that he can match the Hulk for hours on end despite his ever increasing strength? Shit he was making Hulk sweat.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The thing is Hulk's strength is without limit while Thor's isn't. 😂

Then Thor’s strength must be nigh unlimited as well as his been able to stalemate the Hulk in all their encounters.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Why would I post any scans of the Hulk bleeding? Healing factor. He was fine after their fight while Thor was shamed, bloodied, and remorseful of his actions. This Hulk wasn't in his proper state of mind. What's Thor's excuse?

Because superficial wounds mean almost as less to Thor as they do for the Hulk. And Thor was physically fine too. A superficial wound and a drop of blood doesn’t classify as bloodied. This does:

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/DefeatsHulkandThing2.jpg

Too Thor doing anything without honor is shameful. The simple fact that he battled for fun is shameful. Thor has higher regards in terms of honor and dignity than most.

What the hell do you mean the Hulk wasn’t in his proper state of mind?

Originally posted by quanchi112
That's King Thor and isn't canon.

What do you classify as King Thor?

That was not Thor as the Lord of Asgard, but Thor as the God of Thunder. Dr. Strange removed the Odin Force. That’s Classic Thor. King Thor = Thor with Odin Force. Classic Thor = Thor without Odin Force or any amp.

Yes it is cannon as that is 616 Savage Hulk and the Thing. That would have been the future, if Thor hadn’t gone back in time and changed. In the comic verse it never happened but we read it and it happened. No matter what way you look at it, Thor has a legit win over the Hulk. Two wins actually.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor would hold his own, but in the end he'd lose to a pissed off/motivated WW Hulk.

If the Sentry can stalemate him, and the Juggernaut can gain the advantage, then Thor will at least stalemate him as well.

Originally posted by Master Court
Actually, he didn't burn out. Sentry's aura has a calming effect on Hulk that would not only cap Hulk's power, but also calm him to the point of reverting to Banner.

Regular Savage Hulk has gone all-out before with equal beings, like stalemating regular Thor for hours while they were both exerting as much as possible.

In addition, WWHulk wasn't going all-out against Sentry, even though Sentry was going all-out. "All-out" means to use every drop of power they have. World Breaker's showing directly indicates that prior to reaching the World Breaker level, WWHulk had never used anywhere near his maximum.

So, WWHulk did not burn out. Sentry did. WWHulk reverted because of Sentry's aura. That's what Sentry's aura does. It calms Hulk on a biological level. And when calm enough, Hulk reverts.

Anyway, Team One takes this without much trouble. Abomination drops in the first twenty seconds. Thor doesn't last much longer after that. Hulk is stronger and Superman's faster. And each one easily possess all the right attributes to contend with Thor in other areas like durability and skill.

Where did it say Sentry's calming aura was what made him revert? Hell, in the earlier issues Reed Richards attempted to use Sentry's calming aura and it did not work. Could have been just a side effect of Green Scar or maybe Banner's mind set at the time like Quanchi said. Not that he ran out of power.

And the Hulk's strength is relative to his anger. He was going all out against the Sentry, but that doesn't mean he had reached his maximum level of strength etc. Pissed off further by the realization of Miek, he amped up to an even higher level. That's all.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Do I have to post scans? During that arc his powers were so ****ed up he didn't even know what level he was at. At one point he and Enchantress were in the park, and he stamps his hammer on the ground to summon lightning and surprised that his powerless again.

His power levels were truly messed with at that point. I do not see how anyone could know what level he was at. So like I said, that fight proves nothing as Thor could have been half as powerful, nearly fully powered, or a bit above a normal Asgardian. His levels were totally ambiguous. You have absolutely no evidence to back up the fact that he was fully powered unless I'm missing a few pages from my comic.

And in the comics it's always a stalemate and the Hulk has never come out on top. Hell, Thor is the only one out of the two with a legit win.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/hulkthor2fight21.jpg

Are you referring to that?

Granted he threw it away but he wasn't outsmarted by the Hulk. That would indicate that Hulk had wanted him to throw his hammer away which clearly wasn't the case in this moment. He wanted it before while they were fighting hence the hostage.

Like I said that issue his power level was totally ambiguous.

Other than that, he has always shown restraint. Even stating he didn't want to seriously harm the Hulk and worried about his safety.

The only other time Thor shown even a sign of going to the death was against Banner less Hulk.

That was not King Thor. He had the Odin Force removed by Doctor Strange using the power given to him by the Skyfathers of Earth. Thor defeated Savage Hulk and the Thing on his own.

Yes he did.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/hulkthor6fight13.jpg

He was down and out.

And when Juggernaut was not amped or Thor was not sick/weakened Thor took him on just as easily. Hell, Thor looked better than the Hulk.

Your logic is that Green Scar is so superior to Savage Hulk and since he hasn't beaten Savage Hulk (Which he has. During Reigining.) he cannot beat or even hold his own against Green Scar (Because I think at least it will be a stalemate. You seem to think he'll get owned in strength.) am I correct?

You'd have a very good point except the fact that Thor took and even gained the advantage over Banner less Hulk (Onslaught Hulk) whose feats were more impressive than Green Scars.

So yea, the argument that "Green Scar > Savage Hulk", which would mean "Green Scar > Thor" won't fly. Thor has been able to match the Hulk no matter which incarnation, which would make sense. Thor holds back against the Hulk. The only other option is that Thor's strength is dynamic. Do you agree with the former or latter?

Weaker, dumber Hulks have stood toe to toe with Thor so based on your logic then any of these weaker dumber Hulks can go toe to toe with Thor with the belt of strength. Your logic refuses common sense and logic and states no matter what the deal is they are always going to stalemate.

My logic states that a stronger, more tactical Hulk beats Thor since Thor can't even defeat the weaker Hulks he has run into in the past.

Yes, he attacked his pride and easily tossed the hammer away because of his pride. That's called outsmarting your opponent. Even the Hulk realized Thor relies on his hammer which Thor later admitted in the ragnarok arc.

No, it wasn't. You can play that card all you want, but it won't change anything. Thor wanted the Hulk dead and the Hulk wanted Thor dead. Hulk actually thought to save Thor's life when the bomb was dropped and knocked him out of the way. Hulk snapped out of it while Thor was lost to battle lust.

Either way it's not canon anyway. That's like me saying Maestro survived while Thor died from the nuclear fallout.

If you consider that a win for Thor then this is a win for Hulk.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/HulkANN2001_14a.jpg

Thor eventually broke free but it was long enough for you to consider it a win for Thor, hell it was longer as we see on the very next page the Hulk break free.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/HulkANN2001_19b.jpg

Thor's godblast didn't fare so great against Juggs. War Hulk looked to totally dominate Juggernaut despite all his powers remaining intact. WW Hulk easily defeated Juggs without taking away any powers either right after he just trashed two teams of mutants. The Hulk wasn't even close to being defeated by anyone either.

That's not canon so it can't be used as evidence. It took place in an alternate reality. Have you no shame bringing up alternate reality feats because Thor can't beat the Hulk.

How are Onslaught Hulk's feats more impressive than WW Hulk? When did Thor get an advantage over him? Feats are nice and all but the bottom line is how characters match up against each other along with writer's intent.

Thor can't beat weaker, dumber Hulks so he isn't beating WW Hulk. Thor has a limit to his strength and he even admitted Hulk is stronger. WW Hulk would really have a strength advantage over him and Thor would need to rely on his hammer like always to even have a chance against this monster.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Where did it say Sentry's calming aura was what made him revert? Hell, in the earlier issues Reed Richards attempted to use Sentry's calming aura and it did not work. Could have been just a side effect of Green Scar or maybe Banner's mind set at the time like Quanchi said. Not that he ran out of power.

And the Hulk's strength is relative to his anger. He was going all out against the Sentry, but that doesn't mean he had reached his maximum level of strength etc. Pissed off further by the realization of Miek, he amped up to an even higher level. That's all.

He tried to synthesize Sentry's aura. It's likely you can't. Hulk has never burned out before, or even shown the capacity to. And given that WWHulk wasn't going all-out, it wouldn't make sense for him to burn out. Besides, they didn't say he burned out anymore than they said it was Sentry's aura. I'm going by logic and history.

And "all-out" is a relative term in regards to Hulk. Basically, having no real "maximum" means Hulk is never truly all-out, even if he's fighting with full effort. Effort and power are two different things, and Hulk's power never stops growing, hence he couldn't have been all-out. Besides, his taunts at the beginning would imply WWHulk knew he was going to win. You only go all-out if you have doubts. Hulk didn't.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
No it isn’t. When an opponent is more powerful or stronger, he has straight up admitted in the past. Sometimes he over exaggerates but other times his shown to be legit inferior, admit it, fight through and even win, in the end win if he pushed (He Holds back.). Mangog and Destroyer come to mind clearly.

No Hulk isn’t stronger based on their fights. If he was, Thor wouldn’t manage to stalemate him. Based on potential, then theoretically Hulk would get stronger. Unfortunately after hours of fighting, that hasn’t happened.

Bullshit. When Thor has the hammer in hand he has the advantage. He either knocks Hulk around, or knocks him down etc. The only time this hasn’t been the case is when he was fluctuating in power. Do I have to post scans of each and every one of their fights?

Bloodied up? You act as if he gets beaten or something. The worst damage the Hulk has ever done to Thor is a bruise, and that’s by constantly stomping and pounding on him. Thor get’s three consecutive hits to the face and Thor has Hulk on the ground bleeding. As much as he gets into the battle he doesn’t fight with Hulk’s ferocity. He doesn’t press the advantage once the Hulk is down and asks for his surrender and so on.

The Hulk hasn’t proven his stronger.

Next time you comment on something, be more specific.

You simply said that Thor endangered innocents in his battle with the Hulk. And I’ve been telling you for this entire thread that Thor was coherent of what he was doing, he stopped fighting and endangered himself for innocents twice, and once even contemplated of running away, to let Hulk calm down.

It’s funny how you agree with what I’ve been saying the entire thread, then go on say I’m wrong in the same paragraph.

In a battle where we compare strength how does it hurt his case that he can match the Hulk for hours on end despite his ever increasing strength? Shit he was making Hulk sweat.

Then Thor’s strength must be nigh unlimited as well as his been able to stalemate the Hulk in all their encounters.

Because superficial wounds mean almost as less to Thor as they do for the Hulk. And Thor was physically fine too. A superficial wound and a drop of blood doesn’t classify as bloodied. This does:

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/DefeatsHulkandThing2.jpg

Too Thor doing anything without honor is shameful. The simple fact that he battled for fun is shameful. Thor has higher regards in terms of honor and dignity than most.

What the hell do you mean the Hulk wasn’t in his proper state of mind?

What do you classify as King Thor?

That was not Thor as the Lord of Asgard, but Thor as the God of Thunder. Dr. Strange removed the Odin Force. That’s Classic Thor. King Thor = Thor with Odin Force. Classic Thor = Thor without Odin Force or any amp.

Yes it is cannon as that is 616 Savage Hulk and the Thing. That would have been the future, if Thor hadn’t gone back in time and changed. In the comic verse it never happened but we read it and it happened. No matter what way you look at it, Thor has a legit win over the Hulk. Two wins actually.

If the Sentry can stalemate him, and the Juggernaut can gain the advantage, then Thor will at least stalemate him as well.

Due to Hulk's mood. Thor also has a hammer helping him out while Hulk doesn't. Hulk busted him up real good when Thor tossed away his hammer. Hulk definitely got the better of him in that particular fight.

You exaggerate and misrepresent their fights. Thor can't beat the Hulk. He has not one legit win over him despite his hammer. It's what keeps him in the battle against the green behemoth. In Hulk's annual Hulk had him beaten longer than Thor had him out with that lightning blast. Thor was buried underneath the mountain for quite some time while Hulk quickly recovered against Thor's lightning blast the very next page.

Yes, he has. The Hulk definitely has and we only need to look at how often Thor uses his hammer and how he clings to it in battle. The Hulk is the strongest one there is. Thor is more powerful than the Hulk. My opinion is supported by common sense and both power sets.

You're the typical rabid Thor fan who disputes that Hulk has the strength advantage when it's obvious he does. Thor relies on his power a lot against the Hulk.

I was. I am happy to hear you admit you were wrong.

He wasn't in the scan I posted. When someone was in danger he acted but he was lucky no one was injured by the collateral damage of these two titans going at it with people all around. My scan proves you are wrong.

It depends on the Hulk's mood at the time. The more pissed he is the stronger he gets. We have seen Hulk at pissed off levels like WB Hulk. This Hulk would probably toss Thor around like a ragdoll.

Because of his hammer and powerlevel not just his strength alone.

Savage Hulk never is in proper control of his mind. He's an idiot while In WW Hulk mode he clearly understands what is going on around him.

This isn't canon so quit posting it like it's proof of anything outside your desperation to tip the scales in Thor's favor.

No, he can't. Thor has never burned out Hulk let alone WW Hulk. The guy achieved his mission and was at peace and chilled out. The moment he got revved up again he flew well past even WW Hulk levels.

Originally posted by Master Court
He tried to synthesize Sentry's aura. It's likely you can't. Hulk has never burned out before, or even shown the capacity to. And given that WWHulk wasn't going all-out, it wouldn't make sense for him to burn out. Besides, they didn't say he burned out anymore than they said it was Sentry's aura. I'm going by logic and history.

And "all-out" is a relative term in regards to Hulk. Basically, having no real "maximum" means Hulk is never truly all-out, even if he's fighting with full effort. Effort and power are two different things, and Hulk's power never stops growing, hence he couldn't have been all-out. Besides, his taunts at the beginning would imply WWHulk knew he was going to win. You only go all-out if you have doubts. Hulk didn't.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You aren't listening to me. He was fully powered for this fight and didn't act like he was wanting for power at all. The writer clearly intended for his powers to return to him however brief it was in the long run is moot.

Yes I am, and you are simply speculating. You have absolutely no proof to back up the fact that Thor was fully powered besides your opinion. The burden is up to you to prove he is fully powered as during that time period Thor was in constant fluctuation, and when not protected by Enchantress’s spells got weaker and weaker. Please provide some shred of evidence besides your opinion.

Holy shit, the writer intended him to be in Warrior Madness did he not for god sakes? Thor in that state gainst an insane Professor Hulk? That alone should tell you how weak he was at that point. How you can believe he is fully powered is beyond me because as far as I know there is nothing to back that up besides your opinion.

You want to have a battle zone on this? The topic being whether or not Thor was at full power in issue #440?

Originally posted by quanchi112 Weaker, dumber Hulks have stood toe to toe with Thor so based on your logic then any of these weaker dumber Hulks can go toe to toe with Thor with the belt of strength. Your logic refuses common sense and logic and states no matter what the deal is they are always going to stalemate.

What?

So by your logic since Professor Hulk was holding his own against Thor it means Savage Hulk would beat him? By your logic because Savage Hulk has stalemated Thor, then a significantly more powerful version such as say Onslaught Hulk/Banner less Hulk would beat him?

Clearly that is not the case. Thor's vast resevoir of strength allows him to stalemate the Hulk despite his incarnation, or level of anger/strength.

Thor has always managed to stalemate every incarnation. More than likely from what I understand, Thor holds back against the Hulk, so despite the Hulk being a stronger incarnation, Thor can still just as well, hold his own. I mean that’s the only way their fights make sense unless Thor’s strength is dynamic like the Hulk’s. Banner less Hulk was more impressive than Green Scar, and Thor had him on his ass at the end of the fight (Mjolnir almost always gives him an advantage over the Hulk in a brawl.) before Strange teleported him away.

You’d have a point if Thor only had fought say Professor Hulk or only Savage Hulk, but that is not the case. The Hulk simply being a stronger incarnation doesn’t mean shit, apparently to Thor. Hell, if Thor had entered World War Hulk, he would have stalemated Green Scar in a brawl. I take writer opinions with a grain of salt like always and you should to, but even Greg Pak, the writer, all the Hulk fans masturbate to, himself thinks that’s how shit would go down apparently.

Originally posted by quanchi112 My logic states that a stronger, more tactical Hulk beats Thor since Thor can't even defeat the weaker Hulks he has run into in the past.

And a Hulk at least as impressive as Green Scar could not beat Thor. Like I said, you’d have a point, if Thor hadn’t fought almost all of his incarnations besides Gray Hulk and Green Scar.

Originally posted by quanchi112 Yes, he attacked his pride and easily tossed the hammer away because of his pride. That's called outsmarting your opponent. Even the Hulk realized Thor relies on his hammer which Thor later admitted in the ragnarok arc.

Outsmarting your opponent would indicate that the Hulk had the intent of Thor throwing away his hammer. He clearly didn’t care at that point. Hence why he went and leaped away.

Relies on his hammer? The way you phrase it, it’s as if Thor needs his hammer. That clearly as not the case as he was just going toe to toe with the Hulk. More often than not, with the hammer at hand Thor does seem to have the advantage in a brawl. And like Thor said in that arc, the hammer is just a tool.

Originally posted by quanchi112 No, it wasn't. You can play that card all you want, but it won't change anything. Thor wanted the Hulk dead and the Hulk wanted Thor dead. Hulk actually thought to save Thor's life when the bomb was dropped and knocked him out of the way. Hulk snapped out of it while Thor was lost to battle lust.

So you’re going to ignore what doesn’t help your point and focus on what does? It changes everything. Thor was not in his normal state of mind in that fight. That’s almost as bad as him being under mind control. Thor was in warrior madness or berserker rage (The writer got the two confused I believe.), which made him become a monster. Completely losing it.

Originally posted by quanchi112 Either way it's not canon anyway. That's like me saying Maestro survived while Thor died from the nuclear fallout.

Future Imperfect was an alternate time line was it not? The Reigning arc was the 616. It happened in the cannon Universe. It was not some alternate time line or dimension. When that happened it was as cannon as any of Thor or Hulk’s fights. It was erased from the comic-verse (Except from Thor’s mind.), but for us it still happened. We can’t just ignore it because it suits your needs.

Originally posted by quanchi112 If you consider that a win for Thor then this is a win for Hulk.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/HulkANN2001_14a.jpg

Thor eventually broke free but it was long enough for you to consider it a win for Thor, hell it was longer as we see on the very next page the Hulk break free.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/HulkANN2001_19b.jpg

Thor broke out of the rubble next page did he not? Go ahead count it as a battle field removal win if you want but how long does a character need to be out of a comic for it to count as battle field removal? A few panels don’t qualify from what I understand (I don’t have the comic on hand, but I’m pretty sure he was out next page.). On the other hand, Thor knocked the Hulk out, unless you want to argue some bull like he was stunned.

Originally posted by quanchi112 Thor's godblast didn't fare so great against Juggs. War Hulk looked to totally dominate Juggernaut despite all his powers remaining intact. WW Hulk easily defeated Juggs without taking away any powers either right after he just trashed two teams of mutants. The Hulk wasn't even close to being defeated by anyone either.

What the hell does the God Blast have to do with anything? And it faired well enough looking at Thor's state, and the fact, it stopped and pushed Cain back unlike War Hulk.

You referred to Hulk being able to match the Juggernaut. Well, when it was strength for strength, and no complete invulnerability? Thor was laying him out. And I don’t see how bringing up the Juggernaut fight would help that much when Cain had Green Scar eating pavement and looked the superior in my honest opinion.

So we can bring up amped versions now? Do I get to bring up Rune King Thor owning those who sit above next? Use common sense.

When did Green Scar easily defeat Juggernaut? The only time he did that was against a weakened Cain. When he fought the fully powered Juggernaut he was overpowering the Hulk. Trashing a team of some mutants? Lol. That’s supposed to impress me when Thor’s trashed the Infinity Watch, Adam Warlock and Norrin etc.?

What? Dr. Strange had Green Scar in pieces. The only reason Green Scar even walked away was because of the struggle of power inside of Strange, and Strange putting his arms to the side and not fighting back. When he was, he was literally punching holes through Green Scar and knocking him around. To say no one came close to defeating him as a blatant lie.

Originally posted by quanchi112 That's not canon so it can't be used as evidence. It took place in an alternate reality. Have you no shame bringing up alternate reality feats because Thor can't beat the Hulk.

That took place in the 616. What do you not understand? Hell, let’s do a battle zone over this.

Originally posted by quanchi112 How are Onslaught Hulk's feats more impressive than WW Hulk? When did Thor get an advantage over him? Feats are nice and all but the bottom line is how characters match up against each other along with writer's intent.

Because he took on a team of Namor, Hercules, Classic Wonder Man, She-Hulk, Iron Man, and other bastards I’m probably forgetting. The only time the Hulk took anyone of note on, in World War Hulk, he had hell. Even Hercules was going toe to toe, until he stopped fighting back, and back then, it seemed Pak was pissing on Hercules and other Gods (I.e Ares stalemating him, Atum dying and shit.).

Originally posted by quanchi112 Thor can't beat weaker, dumber Hulks so he isn't beating WW Hulk. Thor has a limit to his strength and he even admitted Hulk is stronger. WW Hulk would really have a strength advantage over him and Thor would need to rely on his hammer like always to even have a chance against this monster.

Let me be clear about something.

The only difference between Green Scar and Savage Hulk is the intelligence and higher base. He didn’t do anything in that entire arc, which an angry Savage Hulk cannot do in terms of battle. Writer intentions mean shit, to me if the comic book doesn’t back it up. Pak wanted Green Scar to be the strongest incarnation we’ve ever seen or something like that? Green Scar sure didn’t show it.

Thor has a limit to his strength? What’s his limit? I mean seeing as how after hours of amping on end, the Savage Hulk still can’t overpower Thor. When has he admitted the Hulk is stronger? When he says “Mayhaps you may be even stronger than I.”? That doesn’t mean much seeing as the Hulk has shown doubt about who’s stronger.

That’s absolute bullshit and you know it. If you think that Thor would need Mjolnir just to have a chance, when every single time someone of not ever encountered him and gave him hell like Sentry stalemating him, and Cain going toe to toe and looking superior to him, then you need to have your head examined.

In your head then, Juggernaut, Sentry, are all beyond Thor in strength which is obviously not the case. How about you bring some showings to back up your stupid statements.

That sounds like the idiots who think, Green Scar would pummel Thanos 10/10 in a brawl.

Please show me one impressive feat that World War Hulk, ever did to put him above someone like Thor or Superman? He didn’t even do anything Savage Hulk couldn’t. Green Scar, did not do anything to put him beyond Top Tier’s in strength. To say he has, is just plain wanking. One shotting jokes like Ares, don’t impress me.

Wipe the gamma irradiated cum from your eyes.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor admitted it. Hulk's bread and butter is his strength while it isn't Thor's it's his hammer. That's why even he himself admits he relied on it too often in the past at the end of volume 2.

No he didn’t. You’re reading what you want to read.

Hulk is just one dimensional and has nothing but his strength as any form of attack. Thor is not and is extremely powerful, versatile and strong. Just because all Hulk can do is fight, doesn’t mean Thor can’t be just as formidable as he is in that category. He has relied on his hammer in the past, but how does this reflect on this conversation at all? Like he said, the hammer is just a tool, and with or without it, he can stalemate the Hulk. Hell, when he fights him, he uses it purely for mechanical purposes.

Originally posted by quanchi112 Due to Hulk's mood. Thor also has a hammer helping him out while Hulk doesn't. Hulk busted him up real good when Thor tossed away his hammer. Hulk definitely got the better of him in that particular fight.

Due to his mood? Hulk is always enraged when he fights Thor. His even gone berserk as Savage Hulk, when nothing but his death will satisfy Thor, and even then after hours of stalemating he couldn’t overpower Thor.

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Busted him up real good? Exaggeration. You’re making it seem as if he put Thor out. Granted that’s the worst his ever done to Thor in terms of damage, ever, but the most he did was draw a drop of blood and a bruise. And that’s after pounding non stop on Thor’s face directly. Thor did almost as much damage and knocked him on his ass in about 2 or 3 direct hits to the face (Note, back in the day, Hulk was said to be nigh invulnerable, and also had a healing factor.). The only victory Hulk won in that fight was a moral one, and that’s only because of Thor’s high standards. Hulk did get a lot more blows in, but that always happens. Hulk fights Thor like an animal, wanting to put him down, Thor on the other hand doesn’t even actually want to hurt or kill him. Just wants him to stop. He even gets worried when the Hulk seems to be in danger. Also based on that, Thor restraining himself against the Hulk seems very probable.

Originally posted by quanchi112 You exaggerate and misrepresent their fights. Thor can't beat the Hulk. He has not one legit win over him despite his hammer. It's what keeps him in the battle against the green behemoth. In Hulk's annual Hulk had him beaten longer than Thor had him out with that lightning blast. Thor was buried underneath the mountain for quite some time while Hulk quickly recovered against Thor's lightning blast the very next page.

Really? Do you want me to post scans of Thor knocking Hulk down, or around with his hammer?

Unfortunately Thor has beaten the Hulk.

His hammer is what keeps him in the fight? What the hell? Without his hammer he stalemates him just as well. How the hell does it keep him in the game?

Beaten? Thor knocked the Hulk out. The Hulk on the other hand, unintentionally I believe, dropped a mountain on Thor, and he left before Thor broke out. That’s the advantage of a healing factor. You recover quickly. Hulk’s lucky Thor isn’t as ferocious as him, or as blood thirsty. He had Hulk at this mercy about twice in that issue.

Originally posted by quanchi112 Yes, he has. The Hulk definitely has and we only need to look at how often Thor uses his hammer and how he clings to it in battle. The Hulk is the strongest one there is. Thor is more powerful than the Hulk. My opinion is supported by common sense and both power sets.

No he hasn’t. And how often does Thor not use his hammer and stalemate him? He clings to it, because it’s part of him. He can just as easily toss it away and still go toe to toe with the Hulk. He keeps it in fights because he wants to not because he needs to. The Hulk resorted to a damn hostage for him to dispose of the hammer and it was a still a stalemate. You seriously underestimate Thor at time.

And Sentry has the power of a million exploding Suns. You see, I can also slay a character’s slogan. Doesn’t make it true.

No your opinion is supported by what you think the characters should be and not as how they are shown in comics.

Originally posted by quanchi112 You're the typical rabid Thor fan who disputes that Hulk has the strength advantage when it's obvious he does. Thor relies on his power a lot against the Hulk.

It’s clearly not that obvious seeing as how the Hulk hasn’t beaten Thor in a brawl while Thor has beaten the Hulk.

Now that’s a blatant lie. How on Earth does Thor rely on his power a lot against the Hulk? His used a lighting strike twice and his power over the storm once. And how many fights have they had? 6 or 7? How the hell does Thor rely on his power a lot against the Hulk? I’ll love to hear your justification for this statement.

When they fight, they pit strength against strength, and it’s always a stalemate, despite Hulk’s supposed “bread and butter”

Originally posted by quanchi112 I was. I am happy to hear you admit you were wrong.

Where did I say I was wrong? You delusional again? How many times have the doctors told you to stay on your meds?

Originally posted by quanchi112 He wasn't in the scan I posted. When someone was in danger he acted but he was lucky no one was injured by the collateral damage of these two titans going at it with people all around. My scan proves you are wrong.

Yes he was. That’s why in the same scan, he immediately stops brawling when people where in direct danger. It had nothing to do with luck. Every time bystanders where directly in danger Thor stops fighting, even at his own risk.

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Originally posted by quanchi112 It depends on the Hulk's mood at the time. The more pissed he is the stronger he gets. We have seen Hulk at pissed off levels like WB Hulk. This Hulk would probably toss Thor around like a ragdoll.

And his always blood thirsty.

Hulk get’s pissed and reaches World Breaker levels? That’s cool. Thor get’s pissed and one shots him with an attack.

Originally posted by quanchi112 Because of his hammer and powerlevel not just his strength alone.

So ignoring the times, Thor has gone toe to toe and stalemating the Hulk, despite lacking his hammer and using his power? Gotcha.

Originally posted by quanchi112 Savage Hulk never is in proper control of his mind. He's an idiot while In WW Hulk mode he clearly understands what is going on around him.

He has the understanding of a child. His not brain dead. It doesn’t make him any less stronger. It’s just easier for him to lose control and get angrier.

Originally posted by quanchi112 This isn't canon so quit posting it like it's proof of anything outside your desperation to tip the scales in Thor's favor.

Once again. It is cannon. It happened in the 616. It was simply erased by Thor when he went back in time.

Originally posted by quanchi112 No, he can't. Thor has never burned out Hulk let alone WW Hulk. The guy achieved his mission and was at peace and chilled out. The moment he got revved up again he flew well past even WW Hulk levels.

Like I said, different incarnation. If it was based on his level of power, and not mental state, then a pissed off Thor can do without a doubt if a pissed off Sentry can.

Originally posted by Master Court
He tried to synthesize Sentry's aura. It's likely you can't. Hulk has never burned out before, or even shown the capacity to. And given that WWHulk wasn't going all-out, it wouldn't make sense for him to burn out. Besides, they didn't say he burned out anymore than they said it was Sentry's aura. I'm going by logic and history.

Where does it say he failed or he didn't synthesize the aura correctly? I know they jobbed Reed during the arc, but looking at the technology his pulled out of his ass, it's more likely he did create the proper aura and it failed than to say he failed to create the proper aura. Well whatever, I don't really care.

When you say not going all out, you make it sound like he was holding back. That clearly wasn't the case.

Originally posted by Master Court
And "all-out" is a relative term in regards to Hulk. Basically, having no real "maximum" means Hulk is never truly all-out, even if he's fighting with full effort. Effort and power are two different things, and Hulk's power never stops growing, hence he couldn't have been all-out. Besides, his taunts at the beginning would imply WWHulk knew he was going to win. You only go all-out if you have doubts. Hulk didn't.

Hmm, they are different. Let's put it this way, he was going all out and putting all the effort of the strength available to him (Level of strength he reached.) at that time. Doesn't indicate a maximum, but doesn't make it seem that he was holding back, or not trying to win.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
No he didn’t. You’re reading what you want to read.

Hulk is just one dimensional and has nothing but his strength as any form of attack. Thor is not and is extremely powerful, versatile and strong. Just because all Hulk can do is fight, doesn’t mean Thor can’t be just as formidable as he is in that category. He has relied on his hammer in the past, but how does this reflect on this conversation at all? Like he said, the hammer is just a tool, and with or without it, he can stalemate the Hulk. Hell, when he fights him, he uses it purely for mechanical purposes.

Due to his mood? Hulk is always enraged when he fights Thor. His even gone berserk as Savage Hulk, when nothing but his death will satisfy Thor, and even then after hours of stalemating he couldn’t overpower Thor.

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Busted him up real good? Exaggeration. You’re making it seem as if he put Thor out. Granted that’s the worst his ever done to Thor in terms of damage, ever, but the most he did was draw a drop of blood and a bruise. And that’s after pounding non stop on Thor’s face directly. Thor did almost as much damage and knocked him on his ass in about 2 or 3 direct hits to the face (Note, back in the day, Hulk was said to be nigh invulnerable, and also had a healing factor.). The only victory Hulk won in that fight was a moral one, and that’s only because of Thor’s high standards. Hulk did get a lot more blows in, but that always happens. Hulk fights Thor like an animal, wanting to put him down, Thor on the other hand doesn’t even actually want to hurt or kill him. Just wants him to stop. He even gets worried when the Hulk seems to be in danger. Also based on that, Thor restraining himself against the Hulk seems very probable.

Really? Do you want me to post scans of Thor knocking Hulk down, or around with his hammer?

Unfortunately Thor has beaten the Hulk.

His hammer is what keeps him in the fight? What the hell? Without his hammer he stalemates him just as well. How the hell does it keep him in the game?

Beaten? Thor knocked the Hulk out. The Hulk on the other hand, unintentionally I believe, dropped a mountain on Thor, and he left before Thor broke out. That’s the advantage of a healing factor. You recover quickly. Hulk’s lucky Thor isn’t as ferocious as him, or as blood thirsty. He had Hulk at this mercy about twice in that issue.

No he hasn’t. And how often does Thor not use his hammer and stalemate him? He clings to it, because it’s part of him. He can just as easily toss it away and still go toe to toe with the Hulk. He keeps it in fights because he wants to not because he needs to. The Hulk resorted to a damn hostage for him to dispose of the hammer and it was a still a stalemate. You seriously underestimate Thor at time.

And Sentry has the power of a million exploding Suns. You see, I can also slay a character’s slogan. Doesn’t make it true.

No your opinion is supported by what you think the characters should be and not as how they are shown in comics.

It’s clearly not that obvious seeing as how the Hulk hasn’t beaten Thor in a brawl while Thor has beaten the Hulk.

Now that’s a blatant lie. How on Earth does Thor rely on his power a lot against the Hulk? His used a lighting strike twice and his power over the storm once. And how many fights have they had? 6 or 7? How the hell does Thor rely on his power a lot against the Hulk? I’ll love to hear your justification for this statement.

When they fight, they pit strength against strength, and it’s always a stalemate, despite Hulk’s supposed “bread and butter”

Where did I say I was wrong? You delusional again? How many times have the doctors told you to stay on your meds?

Yes he was. That’s why in the same scan, he immediately stops brawling when people where in direct danger. It had nothing to do with luck. Every time bystanders where directly in danger Thor stops fighting, even at his own risk.

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And his always blood thirsty.

Hulk get’s pissed and reaches World Breaker levels? That’s cool. Thor get’s pissed and one shots him with an attack.

So ignoring the times, Thor has gone toe to toe and stalemating the Hulk, despite lacking his hammer and using his power? Gotcha.

He has the understanding of a child. His not brain dead. It doesn’t make him any less stronger. It’s just easier for him to lose control and get angrier.

Once again. It is cannon. It happened in the 616. It was simply erased by Thor when he went back in time.

Like I said, different incarnation. If it was based on his level of power, and not mental state, then a pissed off Thor can do without a doubt if a pissed off Sentry can.

Because he wasn't angry enough to do so. We have seen Thor rely on his hammer and for the most part look better off with it against the Hulk than without it.

Hulk was fresh as a daisy while Thor was busted up and was ashamed of his actions. Hulk outsmarted him, shamed him, and busted up his face. Hulk left completely fine.

Thor can hold his own against Hulk without his hammer, but he isn't as formidable as he normally is with it. The Hulk can take him the distance with or without it though without it Thor doesn't fare as well.

Thor ko'd him for a very brief amount of time. Hulk buried Thor underneath a mountain for a lot longer. Neither put the other down for good and Hulk actually had Thor down for a lot longer. It must drive you crazy Hulk refuses to be beaten by Thor despite his power advantage.

Thor relies on his hammer which is his power not his strength. Thor tends to slug it out with the Hulk with his hammer mainly. When Hulk taunted him in throwing away his hammer Thor definitely looked much worse for the wear against a completely rejuvenated more powerful Hulk.

You were wrong about innocents being forgotten about. You admitted you were wrong. Accept it Thor.

Yes, no one got hurt and Thor protected them but he still momentarily was lost in battle as my scan proves. Quit being such a fanboy and only seeing what you want to see.

The point is a regular Hulk can stalemate Thor. WB the guy who was taking out seaboards while holding back would crush him.

He hasn't beaten him with it or without though he has fared worse without it.

That didn't occur to Hulk. It only occurred in Thor's book. 616 is this present timeline and those events never occurred to the Hulk. Sorry.

Only Thor hasn't drained him. Only reason the Sentry did was because of his mental state. Sentry did what Thor has never been able to do and also fought a much more powerful Hulk to boot.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yes I am, and you are simply speculating. You have absolutely no proof to back up the fact that Thor was fully powered besides your opinion. The burden is up to you to prove he is fully powered as during that time period Thor was in constant fluctuation, and when not protected by Enchantress’s spells got weaker and weaker. Please provide some shred of evidence besides your opinion.

Holy shit, the writer intended him to be in Warrior Madness did he not for god sakes? Thor in that state gainst an insane Professor Hulk? That alone should tell you how weak he was at that point. How you can believe he is fully powered is beyond me because as far as I know there is nothing to back that up besides your opinion.

You want to have a battle zone on this? The topic being whether or not Thor was at full power in issue #440?

What?

So by your logic since Professor Hulk was holding his own against Thor it means Savage Hulk would beat him? By your logic because Savage Hulk has stalemated Thor, then a significantly more powerful version such as say Onslaught Hulk/Banner less Hulk would beat him?

Clearly that is not the case. Thor's vast resevoir of strength allows him to stalemate the Hulk despite his incarnation, or level of anger/strength.

Thor has always managed to stalemate every incarnation. More than likely from what I understand, Thor holds back against the Hulk, so despite the Hulk being a stronger incarnation, Thor can still just as well, hold his own. I mean that’s the only way their fights make sense unless Thor’s strength is dynamic like the Hulk’s. Banner less Hulk was more impressive than Green Scar, and Thor had him on his ass at the end of the fight (Mjolnir almost always gives him an advantage over the Hulk in a brawl.) before Strange teleported him away.

You’d have a point if Thor only had fought say Professor Hulk or only Savage Hulk, but that is not the case. The Hulk simply being a stronger incarnation doesn’t mean shit, apparently to Thor. Hell, if Thor had entered World War Hulk, he would have stalemated Green Scar in a brawl. I take writer opinions with a grain of salt like always and you should to, but even Greg Pak, the writer, all the Hulk fans masturbate to, himself thinks that’s how shit would go down apparently.

And a Hulk at least as impressive as Green Scar could not beat Thor. Like I said, you’d have a point, if Thor hadn’t fought almost all of his incarnations besides Gray Hulk and Green Scar.

Outsmarting your opponent would indicate that the Hulk had the intent of Thor throwing away his hammer. He clearly didn’t care at that point. Hence why he went and leaped away.

Relies on his hammer? The way you phrase it, it’s as if Thor needs his hammer. That clearly as not the case as he was just going toe to toe with the Hulk. More often than not, with the hammer at hand Thor does seem to have the advantage in a brawl. And like Thor said in that arc, the hammer is just a tool.

So you’re going to ignore what doesn’t help your point and focus on what does? It changes everything. Thor was not in his normal state of mind in that fight. That’s almost as bad as him being under mind control. Thor was in warrior madness or berserker rage (The writer got the two confused I believe.), which made him become a monster. Completely losing it.

Future Imperfect was an alternate time line was it not? The Reigning arc was the 616. It happened in the cannon Universe. It was not some alternate time line or dimension. When that happened it was as cannon as any of Thor or Hulk’s fights. It was erased from the comic-verse (Except from Thor’s mind.), but for us it still happened. We can’t just ignore it because it suits your needs.

Thor broke out of the rubble next page did he not? Go ahead count it as a battle field removal win if you want but how long does a character need to be out of a comic for it to count as battle field removal? A few panels don’t qualify from what I understand (I don’t have the comic on hand, but I’m pretty sure he was out next page.). On the other hand, Thor knocked the Hulk out, unless you want to argue some bull like he was stunned.

What the hell does the God Blast have to do with anything? And it faired well enough looking at Thor's state, and the fact, it stopped and pushed Cain back unlike War Hulk.

You referred to Hulk being able to match the Juggernaut. Well, when it was strength for strength, and no complete invulnerability? Thor was laying him out. And I don’t see how bringing up the Juggernaut fight would help that much when Cain had Green Scar eating pavement and looked the superior in my honest opinion.

So we can bring up amped versions now? Do I get to bring up Rune King Thor owning those who sit above next? Use common sense.

When did Green Scar easily defeat Juggernaut? The only time he did that was against a weakened Cain. When he fought the fully powered Juggernaut he was overpowering the Hulk. Trashing a team of some mutants? Lol. That’s supposed to impress me when Thor’s trashed the Infinity Watch, Adam Warlock and Norrin etc.?

What? Dr. Strange had Green Scar in pieces. The only reason Green Scar even walked away was because of the struggle of power inside of Strange, and Strange putting his arms to the side and not fighting back. When he was, he was literally punching holes through Green Scar and knocking him around. To say no one came close to defeating him as a blatant lie.

That took place in the 616. What do you not understand? Hell, let’s do a battle zone over this.

Why would we have a battlezone about such a small issue? I know what the writer intended while your Thor blinders have you in denial.

Why not accept batdude's challenge with regards to Thor vs. Superman?

Going by my logic WW Hulk would beat him. Thor has already stalemated a savage Hulk, but I see no reason to believe why Thor could beat WW Hulk when he can't beat a weaker, dumber version. WW Hulk has his brains and strength.

If it saw print and was canon it would more than likely be a stalemate as the writers seem to not favor one over the other.

You'd have a point if Green Scar wasn't greater than the versions Thor stalemated.

Thor does need his hammer. That's rather obvious unless you think Thor is more formidable/deadly without it as he is with it. By the same stretch it doesn't matter which weaker, dumb Hulk you throw in front of Thor he can't beat them despite being more versatile,smarter, and more powerful.

So what? Thor has lost it before in battle so it makes no difference if it's described as warrior's madness or beserker's rage. You have all the excuses in the world. Hulk easily held his own and still thought enough to save the crazy asgardian's life.

It never occurred to the Hulk as those events happened in the future not 616. Those events never took place as such it never happened to the 616 Hulk. It just happened to the Hulk in Thor's book in the future which isn't 616.

This was an alternate timeline as well just like Thor's feat. Alternate timelines occur in other universes. The 616 will never experience either as they have been averted.

I wasn't going to count it as a win until you counted that brief ko which by the very next panel Hulk recovered. If you count that as a win I am touting this as a Hulk win.

War Hulk stopped him dead in his tracks. That's superior to Thor just pushing him back while Juggs was still going to regain his momentum. WW Hulk easily held his own, dented the Juggernaut's helmet and bfr'd him as he had a time schedule.

Winning means superiority. Thor won by bfr but I guess that's only a win for Thor and not WW Hulk. WW Hulk beat Juggs like an afterthought while Thor pulled out his most powerful attack.

Why, you'd lose. The 616 is occurring not and futuristic timelines have all different numbers to them.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Because he took on a team of Namor, Hercules, Classic Wonder Man, She-Hulk, Iron Man, and other bastards I’m probably forgetting. The only time the Hulk took anyone of note on, in World War Hulk, he had hell. Even Hercules was going toe to toe, until he stopped fighting back, and back then, it seemed Pak was pissing on Hercules and other Gods (I.e Ares stalemating him, Atum dying and shit.).

Let me be clear about something.

The only difference between Green Scar and Savage Hulk is the intelligence and higher base. He didn’t do anything in that entire arc, which an angry Savage Hulk cannot do in terms of battle. Writer intentions mean shit, to me if the comic book doesn’t back it up. Pak wanted Green Scar to be the strongest incarnation we’ve ever seen or something like that? Green Scar sure didn’t show it.

Thor has a limit to his strength? What’s his limit? I mean seeing as how after hours of amping on end, the Savage Hulk still can’t overpower Thor. When has he admitted the Hulk is stronger? When he says “Mayhaps you may be even stronger than I.”? That doesn’t mean much seeing as the Hulk has shown doubt about who’s stronger.

That’s absolute bullshit and you know it. If you think that Thor would need Mjolnir just to have a chance, when every single time someone of not ever encountered him and gave him hell like Sentry stalemating him, and Cain going toe to toe and looking superior to him, then you need to have your head examined.

In your head then, Juggernaut, Sentry, are all beyond Thor in strength which is obviously not the case. How about you bring some showings to back up your stupid statements.

That sounds like the idiots who think, Green Scar would pummel Thanos 10/10 in a brawl.

Please show me one impressive feat that World War Hulk, ever did to put him above someone like Thor or Superman? He didn’t even do anything Savage Hulk couldn’t. Green Scar, did not do anything to put him beyond Top Tier’s in strength. To say he has, is just plain wanking. One shotting jokes like Ares, don’t impress me.

Wipe the gamma irradiated cum from your eyes.

Holding the tectonic plates together is one. Matching Juggs strength like it's nothing is another. Easily taking the Sentry's best while not motivated and holding back is another. The guy was clearly on a warpath on marvel earth prior to being taken out by a satellite he allowed to take him out.

Hulk was tanking adamanatium bullets, recovered instantly from a broken neck when his power levels returned.

You can pretend this Hulk wasn't all that, but you are going against the comic, the writer's interpretation, and common sense once again.

Quan, I don't have the energy, for your ignorance anymore.

I'm going to go out for my comic run, and when I come back I'll try and find the energy to reply to this crap.

Also, let's have a battle zone on the King Thor being cannon later next week. Busy tomorrow.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Quan, I don't have the energy, for your ignorance anymore.

I'm going to go out for my comic run, and when I come back I'll try and find the energy to reply to this crap.

Also, let's have a battle zone on the King Thor being cannon later next week. Busy tomorrow.

Why? That's just a silly battlezone over such a small issue. Prove it here if you can although you can't.

If you want to create a thread in which we can argue this and gauge everyone else's opinions on the matter.

Rage, I envy you for having the energy to try and have a debate with Quan

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Rage, I envy you for having the energy to try and have a debate with Quan

Originally posted by quanchi112
What points o fmine do you feel I am incorrect about?