Loki Vs Thanos

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Loki's best chance to win against this guy is to fight him the same way he fought Surter...and that is to make a ton of illusions of himself and make them fly all around Thanos while blasting away at him...

Since Thanos lacks spell casting ability, and thus cant see through the illusion, he'd have destroy all the illusions one at a time just as Surter did (it must be stated though that its "possible" that Surter was only able to do this because Twilight was already enchanted by his own considerable mystic power)....

"IF" Thanos can destroy the illusions (and thats a big if considering Thanos lacks magical power), Loki can draw the fight out much longer than their power differential would normally indicate and possibly get a few wins since it would be almost impossible for him to zero in on the real Loki...

But if Thanos cant destroy the illusions...then he cant win...he could only stalemate Loki at best.

All of that said, Loki is a notorius coward (he only fights Thor if there is no other option or if he's so pissed it overrides his fear) and would, no doubt, avoid directly fighting Thanos at all costs...

But he is "capable" of beating Thanos...just not in a face to face slugfest.

Oh, and Loki is definitely underrated on this forum...

Whats the range of Thanos's AoE?

Certainly the range isnt infinite (I am betting its short range at best)...

And certainly if Loki and the illusions are flying around Thanos (and thus are not up in his face) they could move out of range and continue firing...

Originally posted by Black bolt z
this Whats that mean?Are you saying surtur<Thanos?

Originally posted by cdtm
Surtur is > Thanos.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Whos odins dad?And did loki have any amps?

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Loki's best chance to win against this guy is to fight him the same way he fought Surter...and that is to make a ton of illusions of himself and make them fly all around Thanos while blasting away at him...

Since Thanos lacks spell casting ability, and thus cant see through the illusion, he'd have to destroy all the illusions one at a time just as Surter did (it must be stated though that its "possible" that Surter was only able to do this because Twilight was already enchanted by his own considerable mystic power)....

"IF" Thanos can destroy the illusions (and thats a big if considering Thanos lacks magical power), Loki can draw the fight out much longer than their power differential would normally indicate and possibly get a few wins since it would be almost impossible for him to zero in on the real Loki for a good long while...

But if Thanos cant destroy the illusions...then he cant win...he could only stalemate Loki at best and Loki could quite possibly beat him a few times as a result...

All of that said, Loki is a notorius coward (he only fights Thor if there is no other option or if he's so pissed it overrides his fear) and would, no doubt, avoid directly fighting Thanos at all costs...

But he is "capable" of beating Thanos...just not in a face to face slugfest.

Oh, and Loki is definitely underrated on this forum...

If Thanos cant hit him, then Loki's duarbility doesnt matter...

As pertains firepower, its possible that you are correct and Loki cant bring down Thanos, but I dont think this is the case...

Thanos has limits (even though I must admit that his damage soak is immense) and I gotta believe that he couldnt withstand the full force of Loki's magical power indefinitely; Surter was able to do this, but contrary to what you believe Quan, Surter is more durable and powerful than Thanos...

Once again, I truly believe that Loki is underrated on this forum; he definitely isnt an almighty character, but against those who are either weak against magic or those who have no real answer for it, Loki can be a very tough opponent to defeat...

There are many herald level characters (and of course trans tier) that would beat Loki silly in a physical contest...but if Loki fights creatively (and his illusion making abilities give him a huge advantage against many of the herald [and even a few trans tier] characters) he doesnt go down with anywhere near the ease that many people assume he will...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
If Thanos cant hit him, then Loki's duarbility doesnt matter...

As pertains firepower, its possible that you are correct and Loki cant bring down Thanos, but I dont think this is the case...

Thanos has limits (even though I must admit that his damage soak is immense) and I gotta believe that he couldnt withstand the full force of Loki's magical power indefinitely; Surter was able to do this, but contrary to what you believe Quan, Surter is more durable and powerful than Thanos...

Once again, I truly believe that Loki is underrated on this forum; he definitely isnt an almighty character, but against those who are either weak against magic or those who have no real answer for it, Loki can be a very tough opponent to defeat...

There are many herald level characters (and of course trans tier) that would beat Loki silly in a physical contest...but if Loki fights creatively (and his illusion making abilities give him a huge advantage against many of the herald [and even a few trans tier] characters) he doesnt go down with anywhere near the ease that many people assume he will...

If his neanderthal brother can figure ways out to hit him despite being tricked and him using his powers effectively why can't a much smarter character like Thanos figure out a way to defeat Loki?

Thor has withstood his full fore and he's nothing to Thanos. Thor has held back and can flat out kill him any time he wants to and Balder also beheaded the guy so please don't act like Loki is hard to hurt. thor broke his arm once I believe with a love tap.

In closing Loki has no chance against someone who takes on Odin who'd demolish Loki I mean he's Thor's whipping boy.

One common flaw I see here is that many of you assume that just because one character tiers higher than another, you assume that the higher tiered character automatically wins...

This is supremely flawed thinking as how one character matches up with another is much more important than each characters overall power level...

Cloak (for example) is a mid-meta level character at best (IMHO), but if he gets the drop on certain herald level characters (and he could concievable do so via stealth) beat them via bfr...and this is despite him tiering lower than herald level...

But oh well...rant off.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
One common flaw I see here is that many of you assume that just because one character tiers higher than another, you assume that the higher tiered character automatically wins...

This is supremely flawed thinking as how one character matches up with another is much more important than each characters overall power level...

Cloak (for example) is a mid-meta level character at best (IMHO), but if he gets the drop on certain herald level characters (and he could concievable do so via stealth) beat them via bfr...and this is despite him tiering lower than herald level...

But oh well...rant off.

"Thor is nothing compared to Thanos"

Ok...I quit...I forgot who I was talking to for a moment; he who idolizes Thanos to such a ridiculous extent that I am betting he sacrifices sheep to the "almighty lord god THANOS" on a daily basis...

There is no point attempting to engage you in a debate about Thanos as he beats anyone in your eyes...come on admit it, if he was serious and giving it his all, he could one shot Kubik...under his own power!? Couldnt he??

Oh and btw, Thor has the magical power to pierce Loki's illusions...thats why that tactic doesnt work against him, but Thanos doesnt have that kind of power, so the tactic he used against Surter should prove pretty effective against him...

Not that I expect that to register in your mind; it would if we were talking about other characters, but not to "omfg uBAR pwns anyone lord god saviour THANOS!!!"

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
"Thor is nothing compared to Thanos"

Ok...I quit...I forgot who I was talking to for a moment; he who idolizes Thanos to such a ridiculous extent that I am betting he sacrifices sheep to the "almighty lord god THANOS" on a daily basis...

There is no point attempting to engage you in a debate about Thanos as he beats anyone in your eyes...come on admit it, if he was serious and giving it his all, he could one shot Kubik...under his own power!? Couldnt he??

Oh and btw, Thor has the magical power to pierce Loki's illusions...thats why that tactic doesnt work against him, but Thanos doesnt have that kind of power, so the tactic he used against Surter should prove pretty effective against him...

Not that I expect that to register in your mind; it would if we were talking about other characters, but not to "omfg uBAR pwns anyone lord god saviour THANOS!!!"

Thor isn't anything to Thanos based on his history and their encounters.

Don't be ridiculous and don't change the subject this is about Loki the guy who was beheaded by Balder and maimed by Thor time and time again. Just recently Void tore him in half quite easily.

So Thanos wouldn't have the power to pierce through his illusions? Wow. It would appear you overrate Loki to laughable levels.

Can Loki trade rounds with Odin or can he maim the Surfer? Can he also take Thor on with the power gem during blood and thunder and come out on top?

Actually make a point this time and keep the personal attacks to a minimum.

Originally posted by cdtm
Surtur is > Thanos.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Nope.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
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Its easy...

Odin beats Sur.

Odin didnt beat Thanos.

Thanos > Sur.

See how easy that was?

^ I see you've been taught well in the power of the quanchilogic! durfist

In any case, Odin never slapped Surtur around like a red-headed step-child.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
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thanos isn't greater than Odin

Everyone...remember the following quote when it comes to debating/arguing with Quan about Thanos:

"Never argue with an idiot...they drag you down to their level then beat you with experience."

Its completely impossible to have a rational discussion with this guy pertaining Thanos as his love for the character is so ridiculous that its every bit as irrational as blind faith...

He can debate rationally when it comes to certain other characters, but not Thanos...in his eyes Thanos is a f**king cosmic deity who can one shot Kubik with his pinky toe while sitting on the toilet...

Surtur=Odin>>>>>Thanos, and Thanos takes Loki fairly handily, Loki doesn't have much to tkae Thanos down

Possessing a heavy AD&D background (Advanced Dungeons and Dragons; I both DM'ed and played for over 10 years) I know fully well how devastating an opponent a powerful illusionist with a creative mind at the helm can be; they are literally walking chaos...and can screw over most opponents with ridiculous ease...

For that reason, I feel that Loki is typically, heavily, under-written in comics; one, the guy is a significantly more powerful magic user than Doctor Strange (who is pretty darn powerful) and two, illusion is the strongest area of his magic! Yet, time and time again, writers rarely play up to this aspect of his power set...and he ends up looking bad (or subpar) on a far too regular basis...

His showing against Surter is (IMHO) one of his best showings, as someone finally used his illusions in an effective fashion fitting of one who a master at the art...

Anyway, long story short; Loki is a victim of writters who dont know just how powerful (and effective) a powerful illusion can (should) be...

The fact that he is a villian (and thus is destined to lose), combined with a lack of creativity on the part of his writers, has seemingly doomed him to lifetime of low (subpar) showings...

Thanos saves

Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on what? Surtur is less than Odin and Thanos is greater than both. Pretty cut and dry.

And Thanos is not even close to being greater than either. Thanos managed to get b1tchslapped by Odin repeatedly. He'd manage to get b1tchslapped by Surtur repeatedly as well.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yep.

Nope.

Are you comparing Bor to Odin. Laughs.

Loki has no chance. He's nowhere near Thanos level so despite an effective strategy on his part he lacks the firepower and the durablity to contend with Thanos.

Lie

I was asking who he was.I'm not sure about who is related to who in asgard.

With enough prep loki could get thanos but not otherwise.

Originally posted by The Nuul
Its easy...

Odin beats Sur.

Odin didnt beat Thanos.

Thanos > Sur.

See how easy that was?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on what? Surtur is less than Odin and Thanos is greater than both. Pretty cut and dry.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Surtur=Odin>>>>>Thanos, and Thanos takes Loki fairly handily, Loki doesn't have much to tkae Thanos down

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Possessing a heavy AD&D background (Advanced Dungeons and Dragons; I both DM'ed and played for over 10 years) I know fully well how devastating an opponent a powerful illusionist with a creative mind at the helm can be; they are literally walking chaos...and can screw over most opponents with ridiculous ease...

For that reason, I feel that Loki is typically, heavily, under-written in comics; one, the guy is a significantly more powerful magic user than Doctor Strange (who is pretty darn powerful) and two, illusion is the strongest area of his magic! Yet, time and time again, writers rarely play up to this aspect of his power set...and he ends up looking bad (or subpar) on a far too regular basis...

His showing against Surter is (IMHO) one of his best showings, as someone finally used his illusions in an effective fashion fitting of one who a master at the art...

Anyway, long story short; Loki is a victim of writters who dont know just how powerful (and effective) a powerful illusion can (should) be...

The fact that he is a villian (and thus is destined to lose), combined with a lack of creativity on the part of his writers, has seemingly doomed him to lifetime of low (subpar) showings...

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Stop speaking retard to me. Surtur has always been roughly equal to Odin. It's why they end up killing each other repeatedly.

And Thanos is not even close to being greater than either. Thanos managed to get b1tchslapped by Odin repeatedly. He'd manage to get b1tchslapped by Surtur repeatedly as well.