Kyle Katarn (peak) Vs. Dooku, ROTS

So yeah, until you offer more to the table than inadequately sourced points that don't approach any of the true extremes we've come across in the mythos, I will continue to be unimpressed.

Wow didn't you put effort in to a triple post. I didn't read it because I stopped caring about convincing you. Go ask one of the others for detailed sources, they're where I get all my info.

Also, pretending that it's my job to verify your points, I'll repeat; show me something that means anything in the grand scheme of things. Until then, Dooku will remain a moderately powerful, but wholly unremarkable combatant that the SW Mythos has to offer. Luke Skywalker and Kyp Durron manipulating artificial black holes, Darth Bane channeling planetary scale Force lightning and manipulating subatomic particles, Exar Kun freezing hundreds of thousands of beings in place, Darth Sidious summoning Wormholes, Darth Sion simply willing himself into being immortal, Darth Nihilus pulling an entire fleet out of a gravity world and draining an entire planet's population etc.. are things that impress me, and are impressive in the grand scheme of things. Everything Count Dooku has ever displayed quite simply... isn't. As I said, Count Dooku will forever remain a relatively powerful individual, but an entirely unspectacular one. Until he starts approaching the extremes in terms of either power, precision, knowledge, or general skill, I will forever remain unimpressed.

He has a point here guys. (not talking to Neb, Rex)

Luke Skywalker and Kyp Durron manipulating artificial black holes, Darth Bane channeling planetary scale Force lightning and manipulating subatomic particles, Exar Kun freezing hundreds of thousands of beings in place, Darth Sidious summoning Wormholes, Darth Sion simply willing himself into being immortal, Darth Nihilus pulling an entire fleet out of a gravity world and draining an entire planet's population etc.. are things that impress me, and are impressive in the grand scheme of things. Everything Count Dooku has ever displayed quite simply... isn't.

Comparing EU feats with canon feats is just plain stupid. Writers have much more liberty when it comes to force exploits in the EU, because they don't have any limits. It's a matter of credibility.

You're comparing two very different things and you make that difference the foundation of your reasoning. Well done.

EU feats with Canon feats? Come again?

Originally posted by Hybris
Comparing EU feats with canon feats is just plain stupid. Writers have much more liberty when it comes to force exploits in the EU, because they don't have any limits. It's a matter of credibility.

You're comparing two very different things and you make that difference the foundation of your reasoning. Well done.

1. EU is a component of canon; they are not mutually exclusive. Is "movie" the word you were looking for there?

2. In what sense do writers have no limitations, but film makers do, with regards to character displays of ability?

3. Explain how out-of-story circumstances should be considered when examining the actual story, and how they should adjust the way we look at it.

4. Dooku has appeared in the EU, on numerous occasions, and it is where the vast majority of his displays of ability take place.

5. Who were you again?

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Wow didn't you put effort in to a triple post.

I did indeed.

I didn't read it because I stopped caring about convincing you.

Suuuuuuuure you didn't.

Go ask one of the others for detailed sources, they're where I get all my info.

Well that's sensible.

Originally posted by Mr Omiverseria
Luke Skywalker and Kyp Durron manipulating artificial black holes, Darth Bane channeling planetary scale Force lightning and manipulating subatomic particles, Exar Kun freezing hundreds of thousands of beings in place, Darth Sidious summoning Wormholes, Darth Sion simply willing himself into being immortal, Darth Nihilus pulling an entire fleet out of a gravity world and draining an entire planet's population etc.. are things that impress me, and are impressive in the grand scheme of things.

And did Kun's abilities serve him any good at the time of his death? Did Sidious kill Luke with a Force Storm? Did Sion (the immortal) kill the exile? Did Nihilus' (with the power to destroy planets), manage to defeat one Jedi? Their grand powers are unnecessary and excessive. Is that what impresses you? So by your logic, Nihilus is held in higher regard than his killer because he drained a planet of all life? Dooku needs not to have obliterated a fleet of ships to simply strike down a Jedi.

Everything Count Dooku has ever displayed quite simply... isn't. As I said, Count Dooku will forever remain a relatively powerful individual, but an entirely unspectacular one. Until he starts approaching the extremes in terms of either power, precision, knowledge, or general skill, I will forever remain unimpressed.

He was one of the most renowned swordsmen of all time, and he had an unmatched mastery of Makashi. Where was Kyp Durron depicted as someone who was even in the same league as Dooku?

Originally posted by Profligate
And did Kun's abilities serve him any good at the time of his death? Did Sidious kill Luke with a Force Storm? Did Sion (the immortal) kill the exile? Did Nihilus' (with the power to destroy planets), manage to defeat one Jedi? Their grand powers are unnecessary and excessive. Is that what impresses you? So by your logic, Nihilus is held in higher regard than his killer because he drained a planet of all life? Dooku needs not to have obliterated a fleet of ships to simply strike down a Jedi.

You wish to argue that control of the Force in large scale applications does not translate to combat? (Just making sure.)

(Your specific rebuttal to N. is weak- you realize that the feat's splendor is not in its ability to manipulate ships but in the power required to move such a massive group of massive ships, right?)

He was one of the most renowned swordsmen of all time, and he had an unmatched mastery of Makashi. Where was Kyp Durron depicted as someone who was even in the same league as Dooku?

i thought katarn was the battle master of the NJO? remember that discussion over proper punctuation a few days ago? If the fact was wrong, why weren't we discussing that?

You're right, True Jedi. Kyle is the battlemaster of the NJO.

Originally posted by Red Nemesis

This argument is new to me. That doesn't make it a good one, just new.

You wish to argue that control of the Force in large scale applications does not translate to combat? (Just making sure.)

(Your specific rebuttal to N. is weak- you realize that the feat's splendor is not in its ability to manipulate ships but in the power required to move such a massive group of massive ships, right?)

No, only that if such feats are so immense, why haven't Sidious and co used them to execute whatever threat was posed against them?

Yes, but as I previously mentioned, with such extraordinary powers (which i agree, are very useful), were of no use against their opposition.

And even if he is, where is it stated that he has become skilled enough to challenge Dooku?

Kyp wasn't the BM. My mistake.

Re-reading what I wrote, I suppose I didn't make it quite clear who I was referring to.

Wasn't Kyp the one that first moved the black hole?

Wasn't this thread about Kyle v Dooku?

Where was Kyp Durron depicted as someone who was even in the same league as Dooku?

Simple typo led to major confusion. No biggie.

No, because anyone who has displayed feats of grandeur is automatically > Dooku.

So you were arguing that Kyp > Dooku. The phrasing made that look like the opposite.

Oh, and strongly disagree.