Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Bums or no, he kicked their asses, four and five at a time, all coming at him at the same time, from different angles.
Everybody knows that fighting one on one against a top-notch fighter is a whole different world than taking out 4/5/6 wimps.
Gino does not really do THAT much bare-handed ass kicking. He really doesn't show that he could curb-stomp the Dragon. He shows that he can throw around 500 lb helpless pigs.
Dragon would cave his chest in with a kick so fast he wouldn't see it coming. Nico is way to slow to win.
Gino has the hight, weight, and reach advantage.
Dragon has the strength and power advantage.
Dragon has faster individual strikes, but his combos are slower. Gino has cleaner grappling skills and wastes less energy, no random screaming and jumping etc.
As each is highly proficient. Gino's hight, weight, and reach do matter. The fact that he is almost as fast as Dragon, is a cleaner fighter, and uses an art that does not rely on strength. Negating much of Dragon's strength advantage. Suggests that if the two were to face each other Gino would be the winner.
Originally posted by Riot-Gear
Gino has the hight, weight, and reach advantage.Dragon has the strength and power advantage.
Dragon has faster individual strikes, but his combos are slower. Gino has cleaner grappling skills and wastes less energy, no random screaming and jumping etc.
As each is highly proficient. Gino's hight, weight, and reach do matter. The fact that he is almost as fast as Dragon, is a cleaner fighter, and uses an art that does not rely on strength. Negating much of Dragon's strength advantage. Suggests that if the two were to face each other Gino would be the winner.
So you say because Gino wins 'coz he has a weight, height and reach advantage? I mean those are the only two reasons besides that you think his style is better?
No dice man, The Dragon faced many opponents that had both a height and weight advantage they got their asses kicked ( the Black Boxer guy, Colt's BIG, LANKY disciple in Return of the Dragon and O’Hara in Enter the Dragon). He sent a full grown man flying several feet with one kick (In Return of the Dragon). He snapped a World-Class Karate champ’s (Colts) neck like nothing.
The style argument is just a matter of opinion, we will leave that one alone.
Gino knocked out an old man and threw around a worthless pig. Impressive.
Originally posted by Blinky
So you say because Gino wins 'coz he has a weight, height and reach advantage? I mean those are the only two reasons besides that you think his style is better?
Regardless of what Hollywood wants us to believe. Height, weight, and reach do matter.
I never said his ( Gino's ) style was better. Simply that it did not rely on him being stronger then his opponent. Which in this case he is not, for him to win.
Originally posted by Blinky
No dice man, The Dragon faced many opponents that had both a height and weight advantage they got their asses kicked ( the Black Boxer guy, Colt's BIG, LANKY disciple in Return of the Dragon and O’Hara in Enter the Dragon). He sent a full grown man flying several feet with one kick (In Return of the Dragon). He snapped a World-Class Karate champ’s (Colts) neck like nothing.
Its not just that Gino is bigger. It is that Gino is bigger and highly skilled. His on screen feats trump any of the ( Worf Effect ) fighters Dragon fought.
Originally posted by Blinky
The style argument is just a matter of opinion, we will leave that one alone.
Aside from you, no one is having a style argument. Rather I mentioned a component of the style Gino used. Which is different from saying it is better then the art that Dragon was using.
When I said he was a cleaner grapler it was a comment on specific fighters, not arts.
Originally posted by Blinky
Gino knocked out an old man and threw around a worthless pig. Impressive.
Cleared a bar full of thugs, beat up a martial artists. Including a boxer and some one using akimbo stick fighting of some sort.
Originally posted by golem370
Not likely he has not the skill or the speed to defeat Dragon. In return of the dragon the first alley fight he was boxing a guy with a superior reach and the guy still got dropped. He also took on and beat according to the movie Americas best.
Well except that he is just as skilled. Possible more skilled then Dragon and while Dragon may be faster when it comes to single techiques, his combo's are slower.
Originally posted by Riot-Gear
Regardless of what Hollywood wants us to believe. Height, weight, and reach do matter.
We are talking about movies here, man. Movies. So you and I know the laws of the real world don't apply. The Dragon beat up bigger and taller guys in the movies, 'nuff said.
Originally posted by Riot-Gear
I never said his ( Gino's ) style was better. Simply that it did not rely on him being stronger then his opponent. Which in this case he is not, for him to win.
Originally posted by Riot-Gear
Its not just that Gino is bigger. It is that Gino is bigger and highly skilled. His on screen feats trump any of the ( Worf Effect ) fighters Dragon fought.
Well that's your opinion. O'hara and Colt seemed more impressive since they were both supposed to be WORLD CLASS FIGHTERS. Not shitty dime-store thugs.
Originally posted by Riot-Gear
Aside from you, no one is having a style argument. Rather I mentioned a component of the style Gino used. Which is different from saying it is better then the art that Dragon was using..
Originally posted by Riot-Gear
Cleared a bar full of thugs, beat up a martial artists. Including a boxer and some one using akimbo stick fighting of some sort.
You mean: Cleared a bar full of dime-store cheap-f*ck winos. Knocked out an old-washed up boxer. And fought some asian dude with pool sticks (Totally irrelevant to this bare-fisted fight).
Good points though...
Originally posted by Blinky
We are talking about movies here, man. Movies. So you and I know the laws of the real world don't apply. The Dragon beat up bigger and taller guys in the movies, 'nuff said.
What base set of laws do you suggest we use then? The real world has to play a part. Other wise Gino just gets bit by a radioactive spider, before the match and its all she wrote.
Well that and Gino's beat up little asian guys before. So by your logic he should when. See the problem with that line of thinking?
Originally posted by Blinky
Well what's the point in bringing that up? You might as well have said "Gino smells better".
Tell me you are joking, please? You honestly believe that skills and feats are unimprtent when discussing who would win in a fight. So we should ignore the strength of Dragons blows as well right? Because to discuss that is like, if you said "Dragon smells better".
Originally posted by Blinky
Well that's your opinion. O'hara and Colt seemed more impressive since they were both supposed to be WORLD CLASS FIGHTERS. Not shitty dime-store thugs.
Do O'Hara or Colt have any feats above said dime-store thugs? Anything on screen I mean. Not just propoganda or hype.
Originally posted by Blinky
You mean: Cleared a bar full of dime-store cheap-f*ck winos. Knocked out an old-washed up boxer. And fought some asian dude with pool sticks (Totally irrelevant to this bare-fisted fight).Good points though...
How ever you wish to reinterpret the events it shows he he can and has fought martial artists.
As for the stick fight having no relevence. To suggests such a thing. Indicates you did not think it threw. Said encounter still displayed speed/reaction time, balance, and hand eye cordination. All importent factors in a fight. Not to mention much of the defensive action on Gino's part could be used in an open hand engagment. Even some of the offensive action could be used as hammer fist or fore arm strikes. In other words it has relevence.