Re: Serial Killers vs. Political Killers
Originally posted by Luminatus
In your personal definition of good and evil, if you have one, are people like Ted Bundy worse than people like Adolf Hitler? Is the amount of people they are responsible for killing make them "more" evil to you? Does the fact Hitler or Stalin thought they were doing good make them less vile than serial killers?
They were both evil but I am not sure if that would make them a serial killer.
This thread touches on certain psychological issues. For those who don't know, a personality disorder is a psychological issue formulated between birth and five or six years old causing pathological and abnormal behaviors. The difference between this and a mental disorder is that mental disorders have physical and/or chemical causes and are therefore, easier to treat or cure whereas personality disorders are generally learned and are difficult if not impossible to treat.
People with different personality disorders tend to excel in careers where their deficiencies are seen as assets, the example here being antisocial personality disorder wherein people who have trouble with empathy, sympathy, and in extreme cases display no conscience and sadism (what would be termed a sociopath, psychopath, or from a biologist's view, and intra-species predator) tend to excel in cutthroat industries such as business, banking, and politics. One of the problems other than identifying these people (estimated to be 5-10% of the population) is that they defy justice. Lock them up punitively and they'll simply try harder to stay out of prison or commit their crimes from within, try to rehabilitate them with therapy and they'll just become better liars and manipulators.
From that standpoint, there's no difference between "serial killers", "political killers", or even "financial killers". The crimes are all morally equivalent since the motivation is always some variation on a compulsion to fulfill all desires and/or hurt other people. What determines severity should be scope, not the nature of the crime. Ted Bundy killed over 30 people. Hitler was responsible for 50 million deaths. Charles Keating and Ken Lay robbed and ruined millions. Is there really a difference if the motive and the misery is the same?
Originally posted by 753
Yeah, those stupid poor people. It's their own ****ing fault they're poor and not rich after all. They just don't want it bad enough
You are really Evil.. hay God hay over here. I found another fallen one I will pray to you Oh God that you take all this ones money and leave her homeless
Originally posted by Darth Jello
This thread touches on certain psychological issues. For those who don't know, a personality disorder is a psychological issue formulated between birth and five or six years old causing pathological and abnormal behaviors. The difference between this and a mental disorder is that mental disorders have physical and/or chemical causes and are therefore, easier to treat or cure whereas personality disorders are generally learned and are difficult if not impossible to treat.
People with different personality disorders tend to excel in careers where their deficiencies are seen as assets, the example here being antisocial personality disorder wherein people who have trouble with empathy, sympathy, and in extreme cases display no conscience and sadism (what would be termed a sociopath, psychopath, or from a biologist's view, and intra-species predator) tend to excel in cutthroat industries such as business, banking, and politics. One of the problems other than identifying these people (estimated to be 5-10% of the population) is that they defy justice. Lock them up punitively and they'll simply try harder to stay out of prison or commit their crimes from within, try to rehabilitate them with therapy and they'll just become better liars and manipulators.
From that standpoint, there's no difference between "serial killers", "political killers", or even "financial killers". The crimes are all morally equivalent since the motivation is always some variation on a compulsion to fulfill all desires and/or hurt other people. What determines severity should be scope, not the nature of the crime. Ted Bundy killed over 30 people. Hitler was responsible for 50 million deaths. Charles Keating and Ken Lay robbed and ruined millions. Is there really a difference if the motive and the misery is the same?
So are you telling me that Barack Obama is equivalent to a Serial Killer?
Originally posted by Darth Jello
This thread touches on certain psychological issues. For those who don't know, a personality disorder is a psychological issue formulated between birth and five or six years old causing pathological and abnormal behaviors. The difference between this and a mental disorder is that mental disorders have physical and/or chemical causes and are therefore, easier to treat or cure whereas personality disorders are generally learned and are difficult if not impossible to treat.
People with different personality disorders tend to excel in careers where their deficiencies are seen as assets, the example here being antisocial personality disorder wherein people who have trouble with empathy, sympathy, and in extreme cases display no conscience and sadism (what would be termed a sociopath, psychopath, or from a biologist's view, and intra-species predator) tend to excel in cutthroat industries such as business, banking, and politics. One of the problems other than identifying these people (estimated to be 5-10% of the population) is that they defy justice. Lock them up punitively and they'll simply try harder to stay out of prison or commit their crimes from within, try to rehabilitate them with therapy and they'll just become better liars and manipulators.
From that standpoint, there's no difference between "serial killers", "political killers", or even "financial killers". The crimes are all morally equivalent since the motivation is always some variation on a compulsion to fulfill all desires and/or hurt other people. What determines severity should be scope, not the nature of the crime. Ted Bundy killed over 30 people. Hitler was responsible for 50 million deaths. Charles Keating and Ken Lay robbed and ruined millions. Is there really a difference if the motive and the misery is the same?
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