Serial Killers vs. Political Killers

Started by Shakyamunison3 pages

Originally posted by Mairuzu
The 10 spirit relms of buddhism

Animality maybe?

OK, good, and Animality would be my guess too. However, under the principle of 3000 realms in one moment, all of the 10 worlds are found within each world. So were a Serial Killer is finding victims to dominate, this person is also in the world of Hell or Anger. A "Political Killer" maybe also in the world of Bodhisattva. This would be someone like President Roosevelt in WWII. There were a lot of people who died because of the decisions he made, but he was trying to save far more lives in the process.

It is difficult to guess what the true motivation of politicians. There have been politicians who would equate to a Serial Killer, in the past. Hitler is the first one to come to mind. However, just because people die as a result of the decisions made by a politician, does not mean that politician is equal to a serial killer.

A reason why I stated Obama is Manson like, as in Charles Manson. Get others to do the killing for you. Is Manson a serial killer?

Originally posted by Mairuzu
A reason why I stated Obama is Manson like, as in Charles Manson. Get others to do the killing for you. Is Manson a serial killer?

Hmmmmm, yes, if Obama's intent was evil, then his action will also be evil. People have died under the leadership of Obama, but I don't think his actions have been evil.

BTW I thought you were just being a smart ass, but now I see your point.

I have no idea about the true intentions of whats going on in the white house but regardless, there are many many innocent people dying from Obamas bombs. No question about it but they still continue. All without a declaration of war since WWII. A war the american people and congress decided was just.

Originally posted by Mairuzu
I have no idea about the true intentions of whats going on in the white house but regardless, there are many many innocent people dying from Obamas bombs. No question about it but they still continue. All without a declaration of war since WWII. A war the american people and congress decided was just.

Ya, I think it is a product of restricted war. The paradox is that more people die from restricted war then unrestricted war. It would be best to not have any war at all, but that is not how our society works. That is a global problem, not just America.

Indeed.

Originally posted by Mairuzu
Indeed.

“Indeed” is such a cool word. It says something positive, while never taking sides. 😄

Indeed

Originally posted by Mairuzu
Indeed

##@%^&$%!!

Lol. But no I agree. I usually use Indeed or Agreed because I like keeping small. Kinda like when I wear sweat pants.

Originally posted by Mairuzu
Lol. But no I agree. I usually use Indeed or Agreed because I like keeping small. Kinda like when I wear sweat pants.

I kind of figured that, but I was thought it was funny. 😆

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To give the most nauseatingly fence-sitting answer I can muster: they're just different. Serial killing is generally a selfish act, certainly, and rarely will a serial killer believe good comes of their actions.

Meanwhile, a politicians motives are far harder to quantify. The kind of crass utilitarian calculation that makes people say 'politicians are worse' is nonsense. If your only criterion is that a politician caused more deaths, there are serious issues. Especially, for instance, with those who'll call someone like Bush a murderer while we have absolutely no idea how many might have died under Saddam Hussein in the last ten years, and also it's almost impossible to know what Bush believed the outcome of an invasion of Iraq would be. The consequences of a serial killers' actions are easy to calculate; it's virtually impossible for a politician, certainly beforehand, usually afterwards too...

Maybe that means the only logical policy is cynical realpolitik, as that way you at least hope to create at least some benefit for your own people, while assuming bad shit would happen to others whatever you do...

Perhaps the issue is that there must be a distinction between 'political killers' who authorise out-and-out murder (Hitler) and those who initiate wars, in which the variables are so great that they cannot be fully judged on the consequences either way, and to some extent intention must be considered in greater depth...

The whole matter is mind-bogglingly complex. To compare 'ordinary' murderers to political ones muddies the waters even further, when already comparing two politicians responsible for killings is nigh-on impossible, with people killing for so many different reasons: resources, or racial purity, or just to maintain power, or to prevent greater killing, etc...

Not that killing in any form is excusable, but thats just my two cents.

So I take it, most here don't view good and evil as subjective? Killing and torturing is viewed as evil by most here, right?

In another board the serial rape, torture and killing of minors was considered to be subjective whether it was evil, which surprised me, considering the board.

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
So I take it, most here don't view good and evil as subjective? Killing and torturing is viewed as evil by most here, right?

In another board the serial rape, torture and killing of minors was considered to be subjective whether it was evil, which surprised me, considering the board.

Killing is not evil. It maybe good to kill; for example, Hitler. If someone had killed him before he did his great evil, then many people would have been saved.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Killing is not evil. It maybe good to kill; for example, Hitler. If someone had killed him before he did his great evil, then many people would have been saved.
but you consider what hitler did evil. Some would say it is good or open to interpretation.

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
but you consider what hitler did evil. Some would say it is good or open to interpretation.

As a Buddhist, I am concerned with the happiness of others. I must view it as evil. You should question those who you are talking about.