Ralph Lauren wants women to be super skinny! · General Discussion Forum

dadudemon Senior Member

Originally posted by inimalist
probably the most interesting issue in this whole thing
women are only rail thin in womens' magazines. porn normally has well rounded women.
actually, I remember reading somewhere on the internet (the height of academia) that porn actresses are hired more on their facial proportions than on their bodies, with big eyes and round face being the ideal. That facial type generally corresponds to a woman with wider hips.
just sayin.

Indeed. Was there a study or few done that indicated that hetero women checked each other out more than they did men? Women are very competitive with their looks. So are men; but, on average, not on level with women.

I have a baseless theory about that: because early man was less monogamous, women developed to be competitive with each other, as to win a mate more permanently, which contributes to the success of the offspring. Therefore, it's either in their genetics or it is such an old social behavior that it's hard to tell if it's genetic or not.

This is not to say that men do not "peacock" about, as they do. However, how many men get facials, manicures, pedicures, put on eye-liner, eye shadow, lip-liner, lipstick, mascara, cover-up, etc? That could be a function of contemporary culture, but, I think it also has roots with our early ancestors (meaning, not purely social, but also has a degree of genetics). Again, men do the same thing...but, on average, not to the same degree.

Anecdotally, when I go to hang out with my homies, I make sure I don't smell too bad, put on clothes that are halfway decent, and go. Takes me 10 minutes, at the most. My wife (mother, sisters, aunts, my lady friends, Hollywood females, and just about every female I've been exposed to (no silly puns, please)) gets "all done up" (that's what we okies say) just to go eat dinner with her lady friends ("haha" funny funny. No, my wife is not going out on me. Just get the point and don't make jokes.) Why do women have to look so good for each other? They're very competitive...even in pop culture they are competitive.

I think I forgot where I was going with this....

Anyway, gangly thin is for women. Full bodied are for men. These are averages, of course. But, all too many times I hear young ladies and women say, "oh, she's sooo cute/gorgeous" and they're looking at a picture of Kiera Knightly who needs to gain about 20lbs. 😬

inimalist Junior Member

Originally posted by dadudemon
Indeed. Was there a study or few done that indicated that hetero women checked each other out more than they did men? Women are very competitive with their looks. So are men; but, on average, not on level with women.

I'm unaware of such a study, but I would question the use of "checking out" in your statement.

Men are, I would suspect, equally as aware of their social standing as women are, just that the culture we come from glorifies the external beauty of women whereas men are commended for their ability to accomplish things. Men are very aware of who their potential competition is along dimensions which they feel matter to how others evaluate them.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I have a baseless theory about that: because early man was less monogamous, women developed to be competitive with each other, as to win a mate more permanently, which contributes to the success of the offspring. Therefore, it's either in their genetics or it is such an old social behavior that it's hard to tell if it's genetic or not.
This is not to say that men do not "peacock" about, as they do. However, how many men get facials, manicures, pedicures, put on eye-liner, eye shadow, lip-liner, lipstick, mascara, cover-up, etc? That could be a function of contemporary culture, but, I think it also has roots with our early ancestors (meaning, not purely social, but also has a degree of genetics). Again, men do the same thing...but, on average, not to the same degree.

This is largely cultural

I agree that somewhere along the line, there are probably genetics that make females of the species concerned with appearance, but other cultures on Earth and through history have had similar requirements of men, though normally as feats of strength.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Anecdotally, when I go to hang out with my homies, I make sure I don't smell too bad, put on clothes that are halfway decent, and go. Takes me 10 minutes, at the most. My wife (mother, sisters, aunts, my lady friends, Hollywood females, and just about every female I've been exposed to (no silly puns, please)) gets "all done up" (that's what we okies say) just to go eat dinner with her lady friends ("haha" funny funny. No, my wife is not going out on me. Just get the point and don't make jokes.) Why do women have to look so good for each other? They're very competitive...even in pop culture they are competitive.

again, largely cultural

there is more demand on women to look good, even if they are just going to the store, whereas men don't need that.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I think I forgot where I was going with this....

no, you've illustrated a very difficult line to draw. I tend to think you've selected very salient examples of how our culture envisions the differences between men and women, but they are illuminating of what might be genetic predispositions.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Anyway, gangly thin is for women. Full bodied are for men. These are averages, of course. But, all too many times I hear young ladies and women say, "oh, she's sooo cute/gorgeous" and they're looking at a picture of Kiera Knightly who needs to gain about 20lbs. 😬

indeed

Robtard Senor Member

Has there ever been a culture where a man's worth was measured by the size/volume of his shits? Anyone.

inimalist Junior Member

the modern one to some degree

some homosexuals in Native American populations would undergo "pregnancies" where they would hold in their poop, and finally let it go as a "still birth"

WickedDynamite THE LOOSE CANNON

Originally posted by inimalist
probably the most interesting issue in this whole thing
women are only rail thin in womens' magazines. porn normally has well rounded women.
actually, I remember reading somewhere on the internet (the height of academia) that porn actresses are hired more on their facial proportions than on their bodies, with big eyes and round face being the ideal. That facial type generally corresponds to a woman with wider hips.
just sayin.

From what I read a certain number of porn actress have tried to be models but were either cut or turn down for the body types. I've always argue that porn actress don't need to dress slutty to look hot...they just need to be average looking (which btw it's the current fad with the MILF porn)

Robtard Senor Member

Originally posted by inimalist

some homosexuals in Native American populations would undergo "pregnancies" where they would hold in their poop, and finally let it go as a "still birth"

WTF?

jaden101 Restricted

Originally posted by Robtard
Has there ever been a culture where a man's worth was measured by the size/volume of his shits? Anyone.

The one you're living in.

See

inimalist Junior Member

Originally posted by Robtard
WTF?

I'm trying to remember it. The article was talking about gender identity in Natives... Homosexual men basically took up the social role of women, like, to the extreme.

I remember it saying that men would once a month scratch themselves between the legs until it bled to simulate menstruation. A lot of this, imho, was related to the fact that "maleness" was probably defined by fertility, so the "female" in a relationship would still need to be fertile and, in the case of the "still birth", it is not the man who has the problem producing offspring (not that there was any mention of the still birth being the fault of the homosexual man). But, I really don't know.

This was anthropology though, so take it as you see fit

inimalist Junior Member

Originally posted by WickedDynamite
I've always argue that porn actress don't need to dress slutty to look hot...they just need to be average looking

sometimes not even that

siriuswriter Senior Member

*all models come with their very own mallet set *color coordinated, of course* and double as xylophones!*

dadudemon Senior Member

edit - WTF? This only happens when I'm using IE6 at work! 😠

Ignore this post!

dadudemon Senior Member

Originally posted by inimalist
I'm unaware of such a study, but I would question the use of "checking out" in your statement.

The females had their eyes on the other females more than they had their eyes on the males.

Originally posted by inimalist
Men are, I would suspect, equally as aware of their social standing as women are, just that the culture we come from glorifies the external beauty of women whereas men are commended for their ability to accomplish things. Men are very aware of who their potential competition is along dimensions which they feel matter to how others evaluate them.

My point was very specific to just the visual aspect. There is no doubt that men are competitive with each other.

Originally posted by inimalist
This is largely cultural
I agree that somewhere along the line, there are probably genetics that make females of the species concerned with appearance, but other cultures on Earth and through history have had similar requirements of men, though normally as feats of strength.

I said my point was baseless but it really isn't. Early females humanoids had to attract a male for at least 2 years. Curiously, this is the barrier that the "in love" chemical portion wears off. (In other words, staying in love beyond that point cannot rely, as much, on the chemical aspect of love.)

Originally posted by inimalist
again, largely cultural
there is more demand on women to look good, even if they are just going to the store, whereas men don't need that.

No doubt that it is cultural. There are probably some sort of genetics involved in a direct fashion (pun), in some way.

However, I agree that it's very much a cultural thing. In fact, in a different cultural setting, men may have ended up as the "pretties"....even with the same set of genetics, as the "genes" of wanting to be attractive and competitive for potential "good" mates are in both sexes.

Originally posted by inimalist
no, you've illustrated a very difficult line to draw. I tend to think you've selected very salient examples of how our culture envisions the differences between men and women, but they are illuminating of what might be genetic predispositions.

Cool. That makes my point sound smarter than I intended. awesome 😆

Robtard Senor Member

Originally posted by jaden101
The one you're living in.
See

Ugh, had forgotten about that site.

REXXXX Networking

Originally posted by jaden101
What led people and society to deem irrelevant shit like this news and discussion worthy?

Feel free to go start a news-worthy discussion elsewhere if you have a problem with the topic at hand.

Symmetric Chaos Fractal King

Originally posted by inimalist
some homosexuals in Native American populations would undergo "pregnancies" where they would hold in their poop, and finally let it go as a "still birth"

Finally, a scientific reason to fear gays.

Robtard Senor Member

Originally posted by inimalist
I'm trying to remember it. The article was talking about gender identity in Natives... Homosexual men basically took up the social role of women, like, to the extreme.
I remember it saying that men would once a month scratch themselves between the legs until it bled to simulate menstruation. A lot of this, imho, was related to the fact that "maleness" was probably defined by fertility, so the "female" in a relationship would still need to be fertile and, in the case of the "still birth", it is not the man who has the problem producing offspring (not that there was any mention of the still birth being the fault of the homosexual man). But, I really don't know.
This was anthropology though, so take it as you see fit

It's no wonder why they were slaughtered and lost most of their lands.

Robtard Senor Member

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Finally, a scientific reason to fear gays.

Na, when they're able to give a live poop-birth, then we'll talk.

jaden101 Restricted

Originally posted by REXXXX
Feel free to go start a news-worthy discussion elsewhere if you have a problem with the topic at hand.

Apparently everyone has a problem with the topic at hand seeing as the discussion have meandered into something completely different.

I shall make topics in my own good time.

WickedDynamite THE LOOSE CANNON