Superman vs Thor (Full-Potential Battle)

Originally posted by DarkOdin
Do you have a scan or issue of this one???

Last page we see Thor saying he is about to leave Asgard. Then at the same time we switch to Balder, and Thor is already in the Solar System. That's tops like what a few minutes (I forgot to upload the previous page. Makes it look more impressive, and I don't remember the issue. Well whatever.).

Here travels from Asgard to Earth by flying in like 2 panels.

Here Thor describes the distance of Asgard.

You should read some other instances they describe it.

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Originally posted by xJLxKing
So I guess Kyle has Nano Second Reaction time. Right?

If there are enough instances to support it? Then yes. If it's an isolated incident, then no. It's simple.

There are different instances and evident to support Thor having ridiculous reflexes and reaction time. It makes thinks tougher for Superman fans because Thor is so fast? Well, tough. His that fast.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
You missed my point!

Again missed what I was trying to point out

Okay.....

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Heat Vision will do something.
Besides that, Heat Vision will not be a double edge sword directly, only in SOME circumstances

Not really.

Superman shoots heat vision. Thor absorbs heat vision, and uses it as a connection to drain Superman of all his energy/power. That's it.

If Superman uses energy attacks in a thread with these stipulations, it will bite him in the ass.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Did you read the issue? He NEEDED it! They didn't have to spell it out for you! The situation, the reaction, the need was enough

So no, it was never stated he needed Mjolnir to fly. Understood.

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
that's bull crap. who do you think superman is? spawn? if that were true, superman would be using HV sparingly and not throwing it around like he does.

What are you talking about?

If Superman uses heat vision, Thor could use it to drain him of his energy/power. That's all I've been saying.

If there are enough instances to support it? Then yes. If it's an isolated incident, then no. It's simple. There are different instances and evident to support Thor having ridiculous reflexes and reaction time. It makes thinks tougher for Superman fans because Thor is so fast? Well, tough. His that fast.

Not really. Superman shoots heat vision. Thor absorbs heat vision, and uses it as a connection to drain Superman of all his energy/power. That's it. If Superman uses energy attacks in a thread with these stipulations, it will bite him in the ass.

So no, it was never stated he needed Mjolnir to fly. Understood.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
So out of curiosity out of the last 10 years, how many times did they state? Did they even state it in the last 10 years?

State what? Thor has superhuman reflexes? They show that a few times, like when he fought Hermes etc. but not nearly as many as use to have. In Volume 2 under Jurgens, Thor went toe to toe. A lot. Whether it was the Perrikus, the Destroyer, or Mangog. Under Oeming too. Man, they should have gotten Oeming instead of this new *** that wrote the crappy Beta Ray Bill mini. Oeming's mini of Beta Ray Bill, was way better. So was his Ares.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
What? You think Superman will just stand there and shoot HV from 1000 miles away? He can shoot even if you are 1 inch away from you. You think Thor has the space to pick up his hammer and absorb all the while trying to protect himself from punches?? PLease!!!

What does distance have to do with anything? Superman can be in his face and Thor can still use Mjolnir.

That's the thing. Superman will be very hard pressed to throw punches, when he has had all his energy absorbed. It's an instantaneous thing if Thor wills it.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
You surprise me! The issue is clear evidence that he needed Mjolnir to fly. You are in denial now!

Where does it say he needs Mjolnir to fly? Shit, I'll even post the scans. Blake simple said, he didn't know if Mjolnir would be able to fly Thor, and Thor said that hopefully Mjolnir has it in it, to fly one more time. Other than that, they never said anything else.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Blake simple said, he didn't know if Mjolnir would be able to fly Thor, and Thor said that hopefully Mjolnir has it in it, to fly one more time.

Originally posted by Starscream M
isn't that enough to prove thor needs mjolnir to fly?

All that proves is that, Mjolnir was the most viable form of transportation at best. It does not in anyway prove that Thor cannot fly without Mjolnir. That's stretching it.

Besides, in the past, it's straight up been said by others that Thor cannot fly Mjolnir. Once Thor even agreed. Then he goes on to fly without it later on. Depends on writers, but Thor's done it so many times, that it's part of his power set.

I think, that Thor uses Mjolnir to fly on Earth. At least I thought, then he goes on to fly and straighten out a Airliner, without Mjolnir in mid air in Vol. 2, so that doesn't seem to be the case at least anymore.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
All that proves is that, Mjolnir was the most viable form of transportation at best. It does not in anyway prove that Thor cannot fly without Mjolnir. That's stretching it.

Besides, in the past, it's straight up been said by others that Thor cannot fly Mjolnir. Once or twice Thor even agreed. Then he goes on to fly without it later on. Depends on writers, but Thor's done it so many times, that it's part of his power set.

artists take liberties sometimes, and get things wrong, maybe draw thor in flight without a hammer

a writer stating thor needing a hammer to fly outweighs artistic depictions

and if thor could fly, why would mjolnir be a more viable form of transport?

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Lighting travels very slowly compared to Superman
Avlon has a scan of a lighting standing in place compared to Superman moving fast.

thats a bunch of crap man. i dont care how fast supes is.

The supes fan boys always result to SPEED casue thats all supes has on thor. And it aint enough.

50/50 at best id place bets on thor though if he fights smart.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
It should be clear Superman's Speed is above Thor's and this is why most give Superman the win.

this "speed" is the ONLY thing that gives supes a win over thor. Without it thor wins 9/10. thor is hampere by being slower

Originally posted by Starscream M
isn't that enough to prove thor needs mjolnir to fly?

State what? Thor has superhuman reflexes? They show that a few times, like when he fought Hermes etc. but not nearly as many as use to have. In Volume 2 under Jurgens, Thor went toe to toe. A lot. Whether it was the Perrikus, the Destroyer, or Mangog. Under Oeming too. Man, they should have gotten Oeming instead of this new *** that wrote the crappy Beta Ray Bill mini. Oeming's mini of Beta Ray Bill, was way better. So was his Ares.

What does distance have to do with anything? Superman can be in his face and Thor can still use Mjolnir. That's the thing. Superman will be very hard pressed to throw punches, when he has had all his energy absorbed. It's an instantaneous thing if Thor wills it.

If I'm driving a car from 7 blocks away to hit you with, your reaction time is sufficient enough to make an escape, or dodge. Though, If I am 2 feet away from you going at 75 Mph, you won't have time. Get it??

Where does it say he needs Mjolnir to fly? Shit, I'll even post the scans. Blake simple said, he didn't know if Mjolnir would be able to fly Thor, and Thor said that hopefully Mjolnir has it in it, to fly one more time. Other than that, they never said anything else.

Originally posted by zeel
this "speed" is the ONLY thing that gives supes a win over thor. Without it thor wins 9/10. thor is hampere by being slower

Superman and Thor almost have the exact strength, and durability. Superman takes speed, and Thor takes versatility

Originally posted by Starscream M
what's stated is more important than what's artistically depicted

artists take liberties sometimes, and get things wrong, maybe draw thor in flight without a hammer

a writer stating thor needing a hammer to fly outweighs artistic depictions

and if thor could fly, why would mjolnir be a more viable form of transport?

Take liberties? If we have numerous instances, throughout Thor's entire history, by different artists/writers depicting Thor flying, then I think it's safe to assume that Thor can fly without Mjolnir when needed.

Some writers say Thor can't fly without the hammer, due to plot. Then in another issue he does fly without the hammer when needed.

I don't know. The most viable form of transport would have been to teleport. Do we assume he can't do that anymore because he didn't teleport?

I honestly, don't have the energy to get into useless arguments over stupid things with you anymore.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
He won accept it 😠

Because it was never stated fool.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
I never argued that he doesn't have Superhuman reflexes. I am sure he does. I am talking about the reaction that would help him fight a blitz.

The ability to react at micro second speed, and at the speed of thought help.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Are you seriously saying that Thor will absorb al of Superman's powers instantly??

Yes. Is Superman backing more energy/power, than that needed to destroy a Galaxy?

Originally posted by xJLxKing
The distance matters.

If I'm driving a car from 7 blocks away to hit you with, your reaction time is sufficient enough to make an escape, or dodge. Though, If I am 2 feet away from you going at 75 Mph, you won't have time. Get it??

I do, but if I had Thor's reflexes, the distance wouldn't hinder be from reacting.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Good job at contradicting yourself

What the hell?

He never indicated that he cannot fly without Mjolnir anywhere in that comic. Thor has always relied on Mjolnir as his main form of transportation through out his entire career. He should have teleported.

Because it was never stated fool.

The ability to react at micro second speed, and at the speed of thought help.

Yes. Is Superman backing more energy/power, than that needed to destroy a Galaxy?

I do, but if I had Thor's reflexes, the distance wouldn't hinder be from reacting.

What the hell? He never indicated that he cannot fly without Mjolnir anywhere in that comic. Thor has always relied on Mjolnir as his main form of transportation through out his entire career. He should have teleported.

Got a question, over the past 3 years what is superman highest speed that he has fought an opponent at? The last fight that I have seen him in he was punching at the speed of sound. Does ha have anything that exceed that bc if not I know for a fact that thor should be able to easily hang against him.

Another question why is people bringing up Superman heat vision or ice breath having any type of affect on thor when even beta ray bill survived sleeping inside of the core of a sun without even feeling it.

Ice breath, thor controls the storms themselve, cold breath aint doing sh** to him.

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Originally posted by Spire
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