Thor vs. Silver Surfer (full potential)

Originally posted by dmills
I could be wrong but iirc the worst ass kickings the Surfer has taken have been from people that have pounded him with blunt force i.e. Thor, Thanos etc.

Originally posted by Naija boy
thanos used much more than just concussive force and for the thor incident, u must be referring to B&T, where thor was in a state of pseudo warrior madness and which clearly enhanced him and made him operate at those levels. (and yes i do think he was somehow enhanced, thor cant beat SS,Warlock,and the rest of the infinity watch simulataneously regardless of how angry he is)
Surfer has never shown a vulnerability to concussive force.

Speaking of Thor, how did their earlier fights go down? I've never seen the old stuff aside from B&T.

Thor or Surfer would be a close match. Surfer can still pull off the board blitz (ala. BRB) to neutralize the energy absorption to pull off wins. But I think Thor is a lot smarter and a lot better in his use of his varied powerset than BRB is. Hmmm. But now Thor's back to classic (BRB) levels and the Surfer destroyed BRB in their encounter...

Without PIS, CIS and completely bloodlusted, I can see the Surfer turning his board into a bladed weapon and using it to decapitate Thor. Exiles Surfer style. Still, I see Thor taking wins here.

Surfer 6/10.

Originally posted by dmills
Well Thanos nearly beat him to death, Thor pounded on him, WWH did as well (PIS is debatable). Now granted it has to be a true power house to pull it off, but he seems to be much more vulnerable to blunt force then he is to energy attacks.

Speaking of Thor, how did their earlier fights go down? I've never seen the old stuff aside from B&T.

SS was beating on Hulk while cut off from the power cosmic before he stopped fighting and Hulk started punching him, he still wasn't hurt.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Without PIS, CIS and completely bloodlusted, I can see the Surfer turning his board into a bladed weapon and using it to decapitate Thor. Exiles Surfer style. Still, I see Thor taking wins here.

Right, such a great tactic. Norrin is capable of much more than those damn kindergarden tricks.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Thor or Surfer would be a close match. Surfer can still pull off the board blitz (ala. BRB) to neutralize the energy absorption to pull off wins. But I think Thor is a lot smarter and a lot better in his use of his varied powerset than BRB is. Hmmm. But now Thor's back to classic (BRB) levels and the Surfer destroyed BRB in their encounter...

Without PIS, CIS and completely bloodlusted, I can see the Surfer turning his board into a bladed weapon and using it to decapitate Thor. Exiles Surfer style. Still, I see Thor taking wins here.

Surfer 6/10.

thor could just have mjolnir make a shield around himself and lunch energy attack/lighting at surfer the whole time Surfer would not be able to get past the hammer when used as a shield. Hell thor could use the hammer to trap the board or bfr it.

Thor just has too many wtf "cheap" ways to win

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Right, such a great tactic. Norrin is capable of much more than those damn kindergarden tricks.

What other tactics would work exactly? Without the board as a weapon, I really can't see the Surfer getting through Thor's defenses easily. He'd simply absorb all of Norrin's energy attacks and dominate H2H. The board bypasses Thor's energy absorption defense by being a long ranged physical attack and is extremely maneuverable at FTL speeds (allowing it to be very very accurate).

Heck, without this tactic, I'd give it to Thor 6/10 at least.

Originally posted by DarkOdin
thor could just have mjolnir make a shield around himself and lunch energy attack/lighting at surfer the whole time Surfer would not be able to get past the hammer when used as a shield. Hell thor could use the hammer to trap the board or bfr it.

Thor just has too many wtf "cheap" ways to win

Thing is, the surfer can attack from 2 fronts. Using energy attacks as well the board to strike at Thor and get thru his spinning hammer. Also, don't forget that the board moves at FTL, as fast as Thor's reflexes are, I don't see him being able to defend from a frontal energy attack coupled with a sudden board blitz from behind (such as what the Surfer used on BRB). As durable as he is, an edged board hit can do a hell of a lot of damage to Thor.

BFR/trapping doesn't work on the board as the Surfer can recreate it with a thought (just as he did in Annihilation).

Originally posted by D_Dude1210

Thing is, the surfer can attack from 2 fronts. Using energy attacks as well the board to strike at Thor and get thru his spinning hammer. Also, don't forget that the board moves at FTL, as fast as Thor's reflexes are, I don't see him being able to defend from a frontal energy attack coupled with a sudden board blitz from behind (such as what the Surfer used on BRB). As durable as he is, an edged board hit can do a hell of a lot of damage to Thor.

BFR/trapping doesn't work on the board as the Surfer can recreate it with a thought (just as he did in Annihilation).

I think more of Thor using the hammer to spin around himself or the surfer and the board thus being able to block from any angle.

Also if surfer lets he board go on it own he will be more open for attack.

thor could easily use the soul removal on surfer who won't be able to dodge it and the board won't be able to take Thor out on it own.

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Originally posted by DarkOdin
I think more of Thor using the hammer to spin around himself or the surfer thus being able to block from any angle.

A hammer spinning Thor is not an attacking Thor, you saying he'll be doing this the whole match?

Originally posted by DarkOdin
Also if surfer lets he board go on it own he will be more open for attack.

He won't need to send out his board for longer than a split second. Theoretically, the speeds that it travels allows it to strike Thor and be back before Thor can even realize he's been cut.

Originally posted by DarkOdin
thor could easily use the soul removal on surfer who won't be able to dodge it

If this is the lifeforce attack that he used on Loki (if it is not, then can you point me to the scan where this attack was used so I can check out the context?), there is no proof that it can't be dodged. Heck, there is little proof that it can be done while he's defending himself from the Surfer's energy attacks or that it can hit at the range the Surfer would be fighting Thor at (a SMART surfer would far far away from Thor until the time is right to use the board). Also, as soon as Surfer even begins the ritual (meaning no spinny hammer shield), the Surfer can unleash his board and decapitate Thor.

Originally posted by DarkOdin
and the board won't be able to take Thor out on it own.

As a blunt weapon, it struck hard enough to stun BRB. As a bladed weapon, it can possibly decapitate Thor or at the least injure him enough to allow the Surfer to finish him off.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
A hammer spinning Thor is not an attacking Thor, you saying he'll be doing this the whole match?

He won't need to send out his board for longer than a split second. Theoretically, the speeds that it travels allows it to strike Thor and be back before Thor can even realize he's been cut.

If this is the lifeforce attack that he used on Loki (if it is not, then can you point me to the scan where this attack was used so I can check out the context?), there is no proof that it can't be dodged. Heck, there is little proof that it can be done while he's defending himself from the Surfer's energy attacks or that it can hit at the range the Surfer would be fighting Thor at (a SMART surfer would far far away from Thor until the time is right to use the board). Also, as soon as Surfer even begins the ritual (meaning no spinny hammer shield), the Surfer can unleash his board and decapitate Thor.

As a blunt weapon, it struck hard enough to stun BRB. As a bladed weapon, it can possibly decapitate Thor or at the least injure him enough to allow the Surfer to finish him off.

Sorry i don't know how to spilt the quote

1. Thor can still use he magic attack such as the lighting wheather control etc... also the Durok dropper attack.

2. Thor should be able to counter the Board his relexs are fast enough also the BRB think happend b/c Surfer distracted BRB and hand the board sneak around him. that wouldn't happen in this set-up.

Also as fast has Surfer can sedn the board in to attack Thor Thor can Send mjolnir to trap both surfer and the board in a vortex.

3. Yes the loki attack guess it could be dodge but if surfer lets his baord go he would loss alot of his speed to dodge the attack.

4. Againit hit BRB from behind while he was distracted not likly going to happen. As a blade weapon i do argee is could take Thor's head off

Originally posted by DarkOdin
Sorry i don't know how to spilt the quote

1. Thor can still use he magic attack such as the lighting wheather control etc... also the Durok dropper attack.

2. Thor should be able to counter the Board his relexs are fast enough also the BRB think happend b/c Surfer distracted BRB and hand the board sneak around him. that wouldn't happen in this set-up.

Also as fast has Surfer can sedn the board in to attack Thor Thor can Send mjolnir to trap both surfer and the board in a vortex.

3. Yes the loki attack guess it could be dodge but if surfer lets his baord go he would loss alot of his speed to dodge the attack.

4. Againit hit BRB from behind while he was distracted not likly going to happen. As a blade weapon i do argee is could take Thor's head off

Splitting quotes is tedious. I like your format better. 🙂

1. With no PIS, the Surfer would be moving at FAR faster speeds than lightning. There is also no proof that the Durok dropper attack can be done while Thor is using his hammer to shield himself.

2. Though I do agree that Thor is fast enough to react to the board, I do believe that a distraction/feint attack like what happened when he faced BRB can be easily duplicated. All he really needs is for Thor to attack/defend using the hammer then unleash the board.

I really really really doubt that Thor could create a vortex faster than Surfer can use the board to attack (the board is one of the fastest things in comics).

3. Yes, but like I said, the board operates at speeds far faster than any of Thor's attacks. All it really needs is to tag him as soon as he even attempts an attack and be back even before Thor can raise his shield for the life drain attack.

4. A distraction/feint can be done in a TON of ways. As soon as Thor is not spinning his hammer (to attack, fly, etc.), the Surfer can send his board on a decapitation run even before Thor can blink.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
What other tactics would work exactly? Without the board as a weapon, I really can't see the Surfer getting through Thor's defenses easily. He'd simply absorb all of Norrin's energy attacks and dominate H2H. The board bypasses Thor's energy absorption defense by being a long ranged physical attack and is extremely maneuverable at FTL speeds (allowing it to be very very accurate).

Heck, without this tactic, I'd give it to Thor 6/10 at least.

Thing is, the surfer can attack from 2 fronts. Using energy attacks as well the board to strike at Thor and get thru his spinning hammer. Also, don't forget that the board moves at FTL, as fast as Thor's reflexes are, I don't see him being able to defend from a frontal energy attack coupled with a sudden board blitz from behind (such as what the Surfer used on BRB). As durable as he is, an edged board hit can do a hell of a lot of damage to Thor.

BFR/trapping doesn't work on the board as the Surfer can recreate it with a thought (just as he did in Annihilation).

Ur suggested tactic would actually be effective but u r limiting surfer way way to much here. Surfers only abilities arent "speed and blasts". So to suggest that thats his only way to win is a bit of a stretch. Since this is CBR mode surfer can use all of his abilities which are too many to even count.

LEt me give u some other effective strategies fthat surfer can use.
- Going to the astral plane and destroying thors consciousness. We know thor has a mixed history with mental attacks and this would be very dangerous (surfer has actually used this move in battle before)
- shrinking down to subatomic size, infiltrating thors body and destroying him from within.
-pyschically Making thor an empty husk devoid of consciousness or thought ( he actually held back from doing this in battle)
- Surfer can see through time and perceive all time periods simultaneously. hed go back in time and destroy thor as Jake olson or Donald blake or any momemt where thor was weak
-temporal bfr (thor can no longer time travel)
- blackhole in thors body (capable of it but holds back, hence valid in this type of scenario)

I could think of more if tried. Anyhow the point is that in this type of scenario surfer definitely inst only limited to blasting. Its like limiting thor to using generic lightning bolts.

these full potential no pic/cis thread is more of a roll of the dice.

Naija boy tactics although i don't agree with must of them working but one stands out the must the black hole in Thor body thor has no way to defend against this.

then again Thor could with full potential Thor could just drain out all the powercosmic out of Surfer via Mjolnir

So i don't know how either of thses guys call pull a majority over the other in this type of set-up. Both have ways to kill/stop each other hat can't be countered.

I am going to have to change my mind to Thor 5/10 Surfer 5/10

^ i think these kind of "CBR" threads are mostly for laughs and not to be taken to seriously.

I'd give the edge to Surfer personally. Mainly because, fighting intelligently, Surfer could always form blocks of metal/restraints around Thor's hands and prevent him from wielding Mjolnir, then blast the sh*t out of him. Mjolnir is what makes Thor so formidable, and he can and has been separated from it. I beleive Surfer even blasted it out of Thor's hand repeatedly on panel.

Also, this battle has been done way too many times.

Originally posted by Naija boy
^ i think these kind of "CBR" threads are mostly for laughs and not to be taken to seriously.

Very true

Thor still wins.

surfer wins

a b c math time

brb = classic thor
current thor = no odinforce
no odin force = classic thor
surfer beat brb handily = surfer will beat thor handily

and to those who are saying that mjolnir would make the difference
mjolnir = stormbreaker as stated in stormbreaker saga of brb
so yeah
surfer wins every single time
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