Thor vs. Silver Surfer (full potential)

Originally posted by DarkOdin
these full potential no pic/cis thread is more of a roll of the dice.

Each has strengths, each has weaknesses, and as foes they're an interesting mix. Thor is more dependent on his hammer than Surfer is on his board, but Thor is also the superior h2h fighter. I give the edge to Thor as to who can deliver a more devastating blast, but point goes to Surfer for being faster, more versatile, and frankly, sometimes his durability just drops my jaw.

They really are a very complementary pair of opponents.

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
surfer wins

a b c math time

brb = classic thor
current thor = no odinforce
no odin force = classic thor
surfer beat brb handily = surfer will beat thor handily

and to those who are saying that mjolnir would make the difference
mjolnir = stormbreaker as stated in stormbreaker saga of brb
so yeah
surfer wins every single time
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There's the problem with your math.

Seriously though. It was on off panel victory, although it's unquestionable, that Norrin had the advantage. He punches him, and we turn to see Silver Surfer holding Beta Ray Bill in some energy cocoon. Why he didn't use Stormbreaker to defend himself from the energy I have no clue? Neither Thor, or Beta Ray Bill, are beating Norrin, by swinging their hammers and acting like bricks.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
There's the problem with your math.

Seriously though. It was on off panel victory, although it's unquestionable, that Norrin had the advantage. He punches him, and we turn to see Silver Surfer holding Beta Ray Bill in some energy cocoon. Why he didn't use Stormbreaker to defend himself from the energy I have no clue? Neither Thor, or Beta Ray Bill, are beating Norrin, by swinging their hammers and acting like bricks.

There was no energy cocoon. If you go by what the artist is trying to illustrate, basing on the colors he was using to separate the energy signature from each character, that aura was BRB's own fading energies that were emanating from him.

I do agree that Thor will do far better than BRB due to the fact that Thor is far more skilled and versatile with his powers. His exotic attacks are what will get him wins vs. Norrin. I still see Norrin taking this 6/10, tho.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Ur suggested tactic would actually be effective but u r limiting surfer way way to much here. Surfers only abilities arent "speed and blasts". So to suggest that thats his only way to win is a bit of a stretch. Since this is CBR mode surfer can use all of his abilities which are too many to even count.

LEt me give u some other effective strategies fthat surfer can use.
- Going to the astral plane and destroying thors consciousness. We know thor has a mixed history with mental attacks and this would be very dangerous (surfer has actually used this move in battle before)
- shrinking down to subatomic size, infiltrating thors body and destroying him from within.
-pyschically Making thor an empty husk devoid of consciousness or thought ( he actually held back from doing this in battle)
- Surfer can see through time and perceive all time periods simultaneously. hed go back in time and destroy thor as Jake olson or Donald blake or any momemt where thor was weak
-temporal bfr (thor can no longer time travel)
- blackhole in thors body (capable of it but holds back, hence valid in this type of scenario)

I could think of more if tried. Anyhow the point is that in this type of scenario surfer definitely inst only limited to blasting. Its like limiting thor to using generic lightning bolts.

Not really limiting Norrin here. 😛 Just pointing out the attack that I think will most probably get him quick and decisive wins vs. Thor. I think the edged board attack will potentially deal the most damage the quickest and there are like 1000 different ways the Surfer can open Thor up to it. However, I love the ideas you've thrown in. Pretty resourceful.

I have doubts on if all those attacks would work, tho. I DO love the shrinking attack thing, tho. Shrink to subatomic size, enter Thor's ear and open a black hole in his brain. 😛

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
There was no energy cocoon. If you go by what the artist is trying to illustrate, basing on the colors he was using to separate the energy signature from each character, that aura was BRB's own fading energies that were emanating from him.

I do agree that Thor will do far better than BRB due to the fact that Thor is far more skilled and versatile with his powers. His exotic attacks are what will get him wins vs. Norrin. I still see Norrin taking this 6/10, tho.

We already had this conversation. Honestly, I don't care enough.

Funny how, Silver Surfer did more damage to Beta Ray Bill with one punch, than all the damage his done to Thor put together. Who the hell is this *** writer? I mean I can't believe he gets to write Thor for 4 issues. I swear if he jobs out, his going to die through stoning. Should have had Oeming without a doubt if they wanted more action. Bunch of ****.

I see Thor beating Norrin. From all their encounters even the first, it seemed pretty clear that Thor was the superior in power. Even according to Norrin's words.

Thor wins.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
There's the problem with your math.

Seriously though. It was on off panel victory, although it's unquestionable, that Norrin had the advantage. He punches him, and we turn to see Silver Surfer holding Beta Ray Bill in some energy cocoon. Why he didn't use Stormbreaker to defend himself from the energy I have no clue? Neither Thor, or Beta Ray Bill, are beating Norrin, by swinging their hammers and acting like bricks.

These guy's have so many different ways that they can beat you it's maddening to try and pick a winner.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
We already had this conversation. Honestly, I don't care enough.

Funny how, Silver Surfer did more damage to Beta Ray Bill with one punch, than all the damage his done to Thor put together. Who the hell is this *** writer? I mean I can't believe he gets to write Thor for 4 issues. I swear if he jobs out, his going to die through stoning. Should have had Oeming without a doubt if they wanted more action. Bunch of ****.

I see Thor beating Norrin. From all their encounters even the first, it seemed pretty clear that Thor was the superior in power. Even according to Norrin's words.

Thor wins.

Yeah we've had that convo before, just clarifying for people that didn't get to read it. ^_^

Well, I respect your opinion, though I don't quite agree with it. 😛

The times I remember the Surfer fighting Thor was their first encounter (where the Surfer was weaker due to his exile on Earth BUT got amped by Loki so the power levels were ambiguous) and B&T (where Thor was, arguably, amped by his rage, even tho some would argue that he wasn't). Both encounters really didn't seem to show w/c one of them had a higher power level. If you have an encounter where their Thor's superiority in power were demonstrated, I'd love to see it.

Yeah, SS really took it to BRB in that issue, tbh, I was kind of surprised myself on how quickly and easily that fight ended. I was kinda really expecting an epic battle that spanned many pages. Tho this COULD be a sign that the Surfer WAS amped by Galactus in Annihilation. ^_^

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Not really limiting Norrin here. 😛 Just pointing out the attack that I think will most probably get him quick and decisive wins vs. Thor. I think the edged board attack will potentially deal the most damage the quickest and there are like 1000 different ways the Surfer can open Thor up to it. However, I love the ideas you've thrown in. Pretty resourceful.

I have doubts on if all those attacks would work, tho. I DO love the shrinking attack thing, tho. Shrink to subatomic size, enter Thor's ear and open a black hole in his brain. 😛

Ah no worries. I also agree with the edged attack being the quickest way.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Yeah we've had that convo before, just clarifying for people that didn't get to read it. ^_^

Well, I respect your opinion, though I don't quite agree with it. 😛

The times I remember the Surfer fighting Thor was their first encounter (where the Surfer was weaker due to his exile on Earth BUT got amped by Loki so the power levels were ambiguous) and B&T (where Thor was, arguably, amped by his rage, even tho some would argue that he wasn't). Both encounters really didn't seem to show w/c one of them had a higher power level. If you have an encounter where their Thor's superiority in power were demonstrated, I'd love to see it.

Yeah, SS really took it to BRB in that issue, tbh, I was kind of surprised myself on how quickly and easily that fight ended. I was kinda really expecting an epic battle that spanned many pages. Tho this COULD be a sign that the Surfer WAS amped by Galactus in Annihilation. ^_^

Silver Surfer was weakened during that time period because Galactus cut him off from the cosmos correct? Well, fortunately for him, Asgard is past the Earth barrier, so he would have been recharged by the ambient cosmic energies(The original fight took place in Asgard.).

On top of that, Loki amped Silver Surfer to the point Norrin himself, said he was more powerful than ever before. And I quote "Never before have I felt so powerful, so strangely invincible".

What really places Thor above Norrin in that issue where Norrin's own personal comparison. Norrin admits Thor had more strength than he could ever know, and even admitted that his hammer's power was superior to his own Power Cosmic. On top of all that, Thor was holding back that fight not unleashing his power as Norrin notes.

That entire fight points to:

Classic Thor > Classic Silver Surfer

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Silver Surfer was weakened during that time period because Galactus cut him off from the cosmos correct? Well, fortunately for him, Asgard is past the Earth barrier, so he would have been recharged by the ambient cosmic energies(The original fight took place in Asgard.).

On top of that, Loki amped Silver Surfer to the point Norrin himself, said he was more powerful than ever before. And I quote "Never before have I felt so powerful, so strangely invincible".

What really places Thor above Norrin in that issue where Norrin's own personal comparison. Norrin admits Thor had more strength than he could ever know, and even admitted that his hammer's power was superior to his own Power Cosmic. On top of all that, Thor was holding back that fight not unleashing his power as Norrin notes.

That entire fight points to:

Classic Thor > Classic Silver Surfer

Comments made in passing by characters during/after a fight is hardly a good indication on who is more powerful.

If we base power levels on comments made by the characters on-panel, then we need to consider the statement made by the Surfer when he took down BRB. "You cannot match me". So if you say Classic Thor > Classic Surfer based on comments, then we need to consider Current Surfer >>> BRB (who is equal to Classic Thor) in power.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Comments made in passing by characters during/after a fight is hardly a good indication on who is more powerful.

If we base power levels on comments made by the characters on-panel, then we need to consider the statement made by the Surfer when he took down BRB. "You cannot match me". So if you say Classic Thor > Classic Surfer based on comments, then we need to consider Current Surfer > BRB (who is equal to Classic Thor) in power.

That is true to an extent, but some characters tend to brag, some tend to life. The circumstances of theses once seem legit enough, but I also hold Silver Surfer's statements in higher regard than I would most beings (Like say Superman etc.), because of his cosmic senses, utmost control over his own power cosmic and the fact that he admitted these thoughts to himself. Personally.

That entire fight, was led to indicate that "Classic Thor > Classic Silver Surfer". At least in my opinion. That's all I'm saying.

Classic Silver Surfer = Current Silver Surfer

In power. He refused the upgrade from Galactus.

Beta Ray Bill =/= Classic Thor

Honestly, all these supposed equals of Thor? Hercules, Red Norvell, Beta Ray Bill, when the push comes to shove, none reach Thor's standards/level. Beta Ray Bill definitely comes close.

Classic Thor > Beta Ray Bill

I thought that was evident. Has access to much more energy out put, and has even beaten him. I'd say:

Classic Thor > Classic Silver Surfer > Beta Ray Bill > Stardust

Still, a fight between Norrin and Bill should be epic, with Norrin taking 6/10. Seriously, if nothing happened off panel, that means Norrin took Bill down in a single punch, which is utter bullshit of the highest order.

I swear if this new writer *** jobs Thor, I'm going to kill him.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That is true to an extent, but some characters tend to brag, some tend to life. The circumstances of theses once seem legit enough, but I also hold Silver Surfer's statements in higher regard than I would most beings (Like say Superman etc.), because of his cosmic senses, utmost control over his own power cosmic and the fact that he admitted these thoughts to himself. Personally.

That entire fight, was led to indicate that "Classic Thor > Classic Silver Surfer". At least in my opinion. That's all I'm saying.

Classic Silver Surfer = Current Silver Surfer

In power. He refused the upgrade from Galactus.

Beta Ray Bill =/= Classic Thor

Honestly, all these supposed equals of Thor? Hercules, Red Norvell, Beta Ray Bill, when the push comes to shove, none reach Thor's standards/level. Beta Ray Bill definitely comes close.

Classic Thor > Beta Ray Bill

I thought that was evident. Has access to much more energy out put, and has even beaten him. I'd say:

Classic Thor > Classic Silver Surfer > Beta Ray Bill > Stardust

Still, a fight between Norrin and Bill should be epic, with Norrin taking 6/10. Seriously, if nothing happened off panel, that means Norrin took Bill down in a single punch, which is utter bullshit of the highest order.

I swear if this new writer *** jobs Thor, I'm going to kill him.

Well, we have to agree to disagree here. Though I see your points, I still consider combat results and demonstrated power thru feats as the better indicator of power levels. I think Classic Thor and pre-annihilation, post-earth exile Surfer has shown enough feats to put them as equal. In Annihilation, I believe the Surfer got an upgrade in power, so now I would put him at slightly higher than Thor.

The problem with BRB (w/ CIS on) is that he tends to just be a flying brick with a hammer. That is why I used to give the Surfer 7/10 against him (after an epic battle though). The fight (w/c some ppl consider jobbing) between him and the Surfer dropped my respect for him even more to Surfer 10/10. 🙁

In Annihilation, I believe he just refused the removal of remorse there was never anything indication that he refused the "new power", tho there is no conclusive indication of that either way.

Also, I own more Thor comics and have been collecting more Thor comics than I do Surfer comics. ;P They're both my favorite characters and if that new writer jobs Thor, I'll join you in lynchin im! 😛

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Well, we have to agree to disagree here. Though I see your points, I still consider combat results and demonstrated power thru feats as the better indicator of power levels. I think Classic Thor and pre-annihilation, post-earth exile Surfer shown enough feats to put them as equal. In Annihilation, I believe the Surfer got an upgrade in power, so now I would put him at slightly higher than Thor.

Their first fight indicated Thor as the superior at least against a non amped Classic Silver Surfer. I thought that much was evident. And every fight after that, Thor sent Norrin running for the hills. Thor has better power out put, and defensive capabilities than Norrin on top of apparently superior raw power.

He turned down the upgrade from what I remember.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
The problem with BRB (w/ CIS on) is that he tends to just be a flying brick with a hammer. That is why I used to give the Surfer 7/10 against him (after an epic battle though). The fight (w/c some ppl consider jobbing) between him and the Surfer dropped my respect for him even more to Surfer 10/10. 🙁

Surfer taking 10/10 over Bill is silly in my opinion. Bill jobbed. I mean without any off panel showing, he took him down in one punch. One punch? Bill has Top Tier feats and his taken down in one punch? That's just stupidity man.

Bill should take 3/10 wins against Norrin. Hell, I can even make a compelling argument for a near split. Then we have their most recent fight, which just brings Bill's stock, low.......

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
In Annihilation, I believe he just refused the removal of remorse there was never anything indication that he refused the "new power", tho there is no conclusive indication of that either way.

Fair enough. It always seemed to me like he refused the power up/

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Also, I own more Thor comics and have been collecting more Thor comics than I do Surfer comics. ;P They're both my favorite characters and if that new writer jobs Thor, I'll join you in lynchin im! 😛

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I say we tie him up and beat him with Mjolnir replicas.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I say we tie him up and beat him with Mjolnir replicas.

He won't deserve to be beaten up with Mjolnir replicas. I say we should use Stormbreaker replicas. 😄

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
He won't deserve to be beaten up with Mjolnir replicas. I say we should use Stormbreaker replicas. 😄

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http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/wp-content/2008/04/_gallery_xueren_Minifigs_MARVEL_beta_ray_bill.jpg

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
😂

http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/wp-content/2008/04/_gallery_xueren_Minifigs_MARVEL_beta_ray_bill.jpg

I don't know why, but that made me SERIOUSLY LOL. 😆

i think you meant this:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41X7LviLMNL._SL500_AA280_.jpg

Originally posted by psycho gundam
i think you meant this:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41X7LviLMNL._SL500_AA280_.jpg

Well, that one looks cool. Lego Ray Bill made me LOL.

can you bludgeon someone with the lego one though?

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Originally posted by psycho gundam
can you bludgeon someone with the lego one though?

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With enough of them, you can. 😉