Originally posted by h1a8
I love Juggs but this would make me love him even more. Where have he shown super speed? Any scans or issue numbers? If not, then describe the feats.
He's never shown super-duper speed. In Amazing Adventures #16 he out-manuvered Beast.
It's in the respect thread I did on here.
Originally posted by h1a8
I love Juggs but this would make me love him even more. Where have he shown super speed? Any scans or issue numbers? If not, then describe the feats.
Juggernaut doesn't have super speed but he definitely has quick enough reflexes to hit bullet timers. He has demonstrated this plenty of times.
Originally posted by carver9
Physically; he far above odin; power wise, odin have him beat period.One thing I do know though, odin has no way of stopping him.
Cytorrak is true invulnerability and true strength; hes at the peak of both. If its almost next to impossible to hurt juggernaut and juggernaut only have a small fraction of cytorrak power do you honestly think that odin can hurt someone thats durability is mulititudes above cains unstoppable durability.
It has been stated that juggernaut strength is equal to thor and hulks. If cytorrak strength is far above cains, we should know that odin would have a hard time even standing up after a punch from cytorrak. Hell cytorrak was using a fraction of his power and was punching through dimensions.
So how is odin stopping cytorrak.
Lets also not forget that Juggernaut himself has shown that he have super speed on numerous of occasions.
I don't think Cyttorak has ever fought anyone that you can say he's unbeatable. The closest thing I can think of to a fight for him is him casting the crimson bands on Galactus' ship and nobody really caring about it.
Odin does reference Cyttorak as someone not to be messed with, or something to that effect, which could mean anything from him being marginally stronger to weaker than Odin but strong enough to go down with a fight. Or it could just mean Cyttorak's a cheapass and just ****s up all your stuff but doesn't face you.
Also, the evil spirit that possessed Juggernaut let him punch through the dimensions. Double also, Nightcrawler can travel through dimensions and he's not nearly as powerful as either of them.
Originally posted by carver9
Physically; he far above odin; power wise, odin have him beat period.One thing I do know though, odin has no way of stopping him.
Cytorrak is true invulnerability and true strength; hes at the peak of both. If its almost next to impossible to hurt juggernaut and juggernaut only have a small fraction of cytorrak power do you honestly think that odin can hurt someone thats durability is mulititudes above cains unstoppable durability.
It has been stated that juggernaut strength is equal to thor and hulks. If cytorrak strength is far above cains, we should know that odin would have a hard time even standing up after a punch from cytorrak. Hell cytorrak was using a fraction of his power and was punching through dimensions.
So how is odin stopping cytorrak.
Lets also not forget that Juggernaut himself has shown that he have super speed on numerous of occasions.
facepalm
Show me any feats that would put him physically above Odin. Odin can amp his strength physical attributes to ridiculous levels. In battles like these, physical strength means shit.
You don't know shit. Cytorrak has done nothing to back up your wet dreams.
It's next to impossible for earth bound heroes (By the way I have seen him affected by physical force, 4 times off the top of my head.). The fact that Earth bound heroes cannot harm Juggernaut in no way reflects as to whether or not Odin can harm Cytorrak. The gap between Odin and the Earthbound heroes is way to large.
What the ****?
Odin can tank Galaxy destroying energies with a smile but he can't stand up to a punch from Cytorrak? Wipe the Crimson Cum of Cytorrak, out of your eyes, and please present me some factual prove to back this up besides your opinion. He has no feats to even put him on Odin's level.
And Trion Juggernaut was the result of the dark energies of the Trion beings put into Cain. Where did it say, it was Cain using a fraction of Cytorrak's powers to punch through dimensions? Time and space have no meaning to one as Odin by the way.
Cytorrak is true invulnerable? No evidence to back that up.
Also, if say the Living Tribunal used all his power to physically punch Cytorrak or the Juggernaut, would they be unaffected?
How would Odin put him down? By overpowering and blasting the shit out of him. You, yourself admitted in terms of power "Odin > Cytorrak".
Also, if you want to start comparing as to how weaker forces would portray Cytorrak and Odin, then Odin removes Cytorrak's physical enchantments, and gives him a black eye, as Thor was pounding on Cain after removing Cytorrak's enchantment under his own powers.