Current Punisher vs Daredevil h2h

Originally posted by Deadline
You don't listen do you? Im NOT talking about that one. You see thats your whole problem im trying to direct you to a certain part of the fight but you keep talking about a different part because that suits your argument.

I don't want to show you the scan again. DP kicks Tasky in the face and stops breifly to mock him. Stopping to mock somebody doesn't neccasrily mean you are not taking it serioulsy or underestimate your opponent.

What the hell do you call this?

http://s663.photobucket.com/albums/uu355/ankur29/?action=view&current=dpsk_05_004.jpg

You think DP wasn't taking it serioulsy? He still stopped to gawk at Spiderman flying in the air and got clobbered.

No im not making it sound like that at all. Im not saying it was miles away but if you look at the scans he didn't just turn his neck and stretch, he had to reach for DP's head and pull it down.....thats why Punisher hand is on DP's head.

Yes I could argue that he didn't underestimate him because DP frequently does crazy shit when hes fighting.

Thats pure speculation. DP makes jokes all the time. If it was anybody else he would have probably done the samething.

This is a h2h thread weapons are not allowed. Its a fine line between wanting to kill somebody or beat the crap out of them.

Yes what a brilliant argument. DP can snap a guys neck with a punch and obvoulsy Punisher is a regular guy that can't take superhuman shots.....wow.

Originally posted by SamZED
Im NOT changing the subject to suit my argument i honsetly dont understand what the heck you're talking about. You said on the LAST pannel AFTER the kick and if you bother to look at the NEXT scan I myself posted in his respect thread you'll see that on the next page it's clear that Taskmaster is ALREADY beaten and NOT trying to fight back. It was the very kick you've mentioned that ended the fight. Than Wade punches him again just for the heck of it.

Now you're just making stuff up and making blantant assumptions. Obvoulsy the reason why he punched him was to finish him off. Thats why people punch people in fights. Now you've decided in this particular incident that he was just punching him for the heck of it. Next time I see a boxing match i'll assume they are just punching for the heck of it.

Originally posted by SamZED

As for the scan you've posted, Deadpool was making a joke, that's what he does in case you didnt know. He wasnt mocking his opponent during a fight. Doesn't help your argument.

He was mocking him. You probably narrowed down the defintion of mocking so it doesn't fit this circumstance.

Originally posted by SamZED

When Frank bit Deadpool he was on his KNEES and Deadpool was the one who PUT him on his knees after breaking his nose in order to mock him. And you're telling me THAT is an example of taking your opponent seriusly?

Um as I mentioned before 100 times before DP mocks people all the time. My Taskmaster example still stands.

Originally posted by SamZED

Funny how you avoided my direct question - what's your main argument? That Punisher = or > Deadpool in h2h?

I didn't avoid it. I just decided not to reply because im having a problem getting you to comprehend simple logic. The more points I address the more complicated this discussion gets. Im just saying that Punisher could beat DD because he gave Deadpool a good fight.

Originally posted by SamZED
If so tell me this then, you said and i quote that Punisher was "stunned" by that attack, so what do you think the outcome of the fight would've been if instead of making that joke Deadpool just hit Punisher 20 more times while he was "stunned" or snapped his neck? Because he was definitely capable of doing that at the moment. You think it would've still ended in stalemate? I wont believe that you think so for a second. Deadpool could've crushed his skull but he CHOSE not to, meaning he wasn't going all out. As in HOLDING BACK. Which was my main point all along, look at my very first post in this thread and see for yourself. And that means your attempt to use Frank stalemating Deadpool as a proof of current Punisher toughness is pointess since Deadpool was holding back. Case closed.

Um the points is you don't know if he would have done that if he was serious because he does crazy shit all the time. Again heres the scans I posted.

http://s663.photobucket.com/albums/uu355/ankur29/?action=view&current=dpsk_05_004.jpg
http://s663.photobucket.com/albums/uu355/ankur29/?action=view&current=dpsk_05_005.jpg

You think its intelligent to gwak at Spiderman flying through the air? I guess he wasn't taking it serioulsy.

Also Dp wouldn't eb able to snap Punisher's neck easily. I explained that to you already.

Originally posted by Deadline
Now you're just making stuff up and making blantant assumptions. Obvoulsy the reason why he punched him was to finish him off. Thats why people punch people in fights. Now you've decided in this particular incident that he was just punching him for the heck of it. Next time I see a boxing match i'll assume they are just punching for the heck of it.

He was mocking him. You probably narrowed down the defintion of mocking so it doesn't fit this circumstance.

Um as I mentioned before 100 times before DP mocks people all the time. My Taskmaster example still stands.

Originally posted by Deadline

I didn't avoid it. I just decided not to reply because im having a problem getting you to comprehend simple logic. The more points I address the more complicated this discussion gets. Im just saying that Punisher could beat DD because he gave Deadpool a good fight.

Originally posted by Deadline

Um the points is you don't know if he would have done that if he was serious because he does crazy shit all the time. Again heres the scans I posted.

http://s663.photobucket.com/albums/uu355/ankur29/?action=view&current=dpsk_05_004.jpg
http://s663.photobucket.com/albums/uu355/ankur29/?action=view&current=dpsk_05_005.jpg

You think its intelligent to gwak at Spiderman flying through the air? I guess he wasn't taking it serioulsy.

He didnt stop to mock him or make a stupid joke he would've just beaten him to death if the citizen didnt interfere. You're just making an assumption here. DP could've easilly punched him to death or at least a ko after breaking his nose while Frank was stunned, but he chose not to and that = holding back. Tell me im wrong here.

Originally posted by Deadline

Also Dp wouldn't eb able to snap Punisher's neck easily. I explained that to you already.

Originally posted by SamZED
😕 Great. Compare a boxing match where the fight is stopped as soon as one boxer drops on his knee to a street fight where one can punch the livving crap outta opponent even after he's down.
Also whether you want to admit or not that DP talking to TM after he was beaten has nothing incommon with him mocking Punisher during the fight is irrelevant to me because unlike his fight with TM he was obviously holding back. You have nothing to argue that with.

See now you're just making fun of my logic to change the subject and if anyone's making it more complicated than it has to be is you because my logic is pretty simple: Punisher stalemating Deadpool who's holding back big time does not = Punisher being > Daredevil. What's so somplicated about it?

I dont know if he would've done that? 😕 'cause the last time when Punisher got stunned in a fight with Deadpool when Wade actually WAS serious abiut it the following happened:

He didnt stop to mock him or make a stupid joke he would've just beat him to death if the citizen didnt interfere. You're just making an assumption here. DP could've easilly punched him to death after breaking his nose while Frank was stunned, but he chose not to and that = holding back. Tell me im wrong here.

Nobody's arguing that Frank can take a lot of punishment and walk away, but he was stunned while Deadpool was standing right behind him and holding him by his head, it doesnt take one of the best killers in marvel to snap a guy's neck (even a tough one like Frank) from that position, Frank's durability wouldn't have helped him in that case.

ya toje tak dumayu

an all out daredevil will murder punisher with 1-2 hits, remember that daredevil knows deadly hits that can make his enemy bleed and even stop breathing he also got hits that he likes to call torture points, as much as punisher is known for his damage soak he cant stand against daredevil

Originally posted by SamZED
😕 Great. Compare a boxing match where the fight is stopped as soon as one boxer drops on his knee to a street fight where one can punch the livving crap outta opponent even after he's down.

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/7494/deadpool02p21.jpg

LOL he wasn't on one knee until after he was punched but prior to that DP stopped to mock him. Obvoulsy you're assuming that Taskmaster was on his knees after DP kicked him in the face.

Originally posted by SamZED

Also whether you want to admit or not that DP talking to TM after he was beaten has nothing incommon with him mocking Punisher during the fight is irrelevant to me because unlike his fight with TM he was obviously holding back. You have nothing to argue that with.

Oh please. Yes it does in both those examples DP stops to mock his opponent. Its not that hard to comprehend.

Originally posted by SamZED

See now you're just making fun of my logic for God knows what reason so if anyone's making it more complicated than it has to be is you because my logic is pretty simple: Punisher stalemating Deadpool who's holding back big time does not = Punisher being > Daredevil. What's so complicated about it?

No you're the one making it complicated. Lets try this again. DP wanted to beat the crap out of him and its a fine line between wanting to beat the crap out of somebody and wanting to kill them. Using that logic all of Captain Americas fights are exempt..duh. See how that logic goes.

Originally posted by SamZED
I dont know if he would've done that? 😕 'cause the last time when Punisher got stunned in a fight with Deadpool when Wade actually WAS serious abiut it the following happened:
http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/5778/deadpool055p12.png

He didnt stop to mock him or make a stupid joke he would've just beaten him to death if the citizen didnt interfere. You're just making an assumption here. DP could've easilly punched him to death or at least a ko after breaking his nose while Frank was stunned, but he chose not to and that = holding back. Tell me im wrong here.

LOL actually he did. Obvously before he said ONE he was mocking him and we could assume its not much longer than it takes to say "Looks whos got a broken nose."

Even if that wasn't the case you only have one example. One example doesn't make a foregone conclusion, especially when ive shown you two examples of DP behaving like an idiot in serious fights.

Originally posted by SamZED

Nobody's arguing that Frank can take a lot of punishment and walk away, but he was stunned while Deadpool was standing right behind him and holding him by his head, it doesnt take one of the best killers in marvel to snap a guy's neck (even a tough one like Frank) from that position, Frank's durability wouldn't have helped him in that case.

Um I dunno about that. Frank recovered pretty quickly and Tombstone whos stronger than DP tried to throttle him and failed.

I don't have the energy to jump into the current debate. I can only assume that Alf is trying to claim Castle would either stalemate or beat Deadpool in h2h, and therefore would beat Daredevil.....

In pure h2h, Daredevil would beat Castle at least 7/10. The Punisher is a tough son-of-a-***** and strong as hell to boot, but Daredevil is faster, more skilled, and his radar sense keeps him a step ahead.

Kraven The Hunter, Deadpool and Daken are all capable of stalemating or beating Daredevil. Therefore giving DD the majority doesn't make sense to me. Also all those guys are stronger and more durable than DD and are arguably just as fast.

Originally posted by Deadline
Kraven The Hunter, Deadpool and Daken are all capable of stalemating or beating Daredevil. Therefore giving DD the majority doesn't make sense to me.

even though he has far superior skill, agility and senses?

i mean, what does frank have over him? damage soak?

Originally posted by -Pr-
even though he has far superior skill, agility and senses?

i mean, what does frank have over him? damage soak?

Castle will wait til Daredevil runs out of steam... then he goes in for the quick kill.

crackers

Originally posted by -Pr-
even though he has far superior skill, agility and senses?

The same argument could be made for Deadpool, Kraven and Daken, that still didn't stop him from stalemating DP and Kraven. Daken killed him but Punisher was already bleeding from wounds and had a broken leg. How does DD get the majority on a guy that can hold his own against somebodies whos beaten Wolverine?

Originally posted by -Pr-

i mean, what does frank have over him? damage soak?

Well that as well but hes still very fast and very skillful. As it stands DD isn't skillful enough to beat him for the majority.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
Castle will wait til Daredevil runs out of steam... then he goes in for the quick kill.

crackers

😂

Originally posted by Deadline
The same argument could be made for Deadpool, Kraven and Daken, that still didn't stop him from stalemating DP and Kraven. Daken killed him but Punisher was already bleeding from wounds and had a broken leg. How does DD get the majority on a guy that can hold his own against somebodies whos beaten Wolverine?

Well that as well but hes still very fast and very skillful. As it stands DD isn't skillful enough to beat him for the majority.

you're kidding, right?

you seriously think frank would beat matt in a h2h fight?

Originally posted by Deadline
Well that as well but hes still very fast and very skillful. As it stands DD isn't skillful enough to beat him for the majority.

So the fact that Daredevil usually beats Castle means nothing now?

Originally posted by -Pr-
😂

you're kidding, right?

you seriously think frank would beat matt in a h2h fight?

Ok let me try again. He stalemated Kraven The Hunter. Kraven has beaten Black Panther in h2h. Somebody whos capable of beating BP in h2h is capable of either stalemating or beating DD in h2h. Its also worth noting before he fought Kraven he had fought Tiger Shark (underwater), Mandrill and taken damage from both Gargoyle and Swarm which made him pass out.

He stalemated Deadpool,Deadpool is capable of beating or stalemating DD.

He gave Daken one hell of a fight. Again Punisher had a broken leg and was bleeding before the fight. Daken IMO would beat DD.

The reason why I say he could beat DD is because previous versions of Punisher were less formidable but were still capable of giving DD one hell of a fight. The point is that Punisher is alot better and alot tougher.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
So the fact that Daredevil usually beats Castle means nothing now?

This is what I mean. Fell free to agree but you obvoulsy haven't read my arguments properly. DD usually beats Punisher in the past but Punisher has improved alot and has been beating opponents that can either beat or stalemate DD in h2h when he would have previoulsy lost to these guys. eg look at Punishers fights with Paladin and Kingpin he got mullered.

Originally posted by Deadline
Ok let me try again. He stalemated Kraven The Hunter. Kraven has beaten Black Panther in h2h. Somebody whos capable of beating BP in h2h is capable of either stalemating or beating DD in h2h. Its also worth noting before he fought Kraven he had fought Tiger Shark (underwater), Mandrill and taken damage from both Gargoyle and Swarm which made him pass out.

He stalemated Deadpool,Deadpool is capable of beating or stalemating DD.

He gave Daken one hell of a fight. Again Punisher had a broken leg and was bleeding before the fight. Daken IMO would beat DD.

The reason why I say he could beat DD is because previous versions of Punisher were less formidable but were still capable of giving DD one hell of a fight. The point is that Punisher is alot better and alot tougher.

You forgot Cap, Spider-Man, Wolverine, Ulik, Hulk, Doom....

This really isn't a discussion. DD has beaten Castle in most of their fights. It's not a farfetched outcome when you consider DD's advantages in speed, skill, and precognition (radar sense).

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
You forgot Cap, Spider-Man, Wolverine, Ulik, Hulk, Doom....

I could go into how thats faulty logic but I can see where this is heading, some of those are really terrible examples.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol

This really isn't a discussion. DD has beaten Castle in most of their fights. It's not a farfetched outcome when you consider DD's advantages in speed, skill, and precognition (radar sense).

Sure.

Originally posted by Deadline
I could go into how thats faulty logic but I can see where this is heading, some of those are really terrible examples.

I'm not trying to start another pointless argument, man. Castle will lose a majority to Daredevil in h2h. If he were armed, you'd definitely have a case for a Punisher majority. This ain't that thread though.

Originally posted by Deadline
I could go into how thats faulty logic but I can see where this is heading, some of those are really terrible examples.

Sure.

Originally posted by Deadline
Ok let me try again. He stalemated Kraven The Hunter. Kraven has beaten Black Panther in h2h. Somebody whos capable of beating BP in h2h is capable of either stalemating or beating DD in h2h. Its also worth noting before he fought Kraven he had fought Tiger Shark (underwater), Mandrill and taken damage from both Gargoyle and Swarm which made him pass out.

He stalemated Deadpool,Deadpool is capable of beating or stalemating DD.

He gave Daken one hell of a fight. Again Punisher had a broken leg and was bleeding before the fight. Daken IMO would beat DD.

The reason why I say he could beat DD is because previous versions of Punisher were less formidable but were still capable of giving DD one hell of a fight. The point is that Punisher is alot better and alot tougher.

This is what I mean. Fell free to agree but you obvoulsy haven't read my arguments properly. DD usually beats Punisher in the past but Punisher has improved alot and has been beating opponents that can either beat or stalemate DD in h2h when he would have previoulsy lost to these guys. eg look at Punishers fights with Paladin and Kingpin he got mullered.

shrug

Originally posted by -Pr-
shrug

Im not sure why you're shrugging.