Colossus vs Wrecking Crew

Originally posted by Starscream M
you trolled me first, by accusing me of being ignorant.

also, when did this hulk PIS thing happen? was it recent or some oldy? The Sas event was pretty recent. Also, one is ludicrous (hulk being choked by a snake) while the other is not (sas never claimed he is bulletproof).

Actually no I didn't. You came in here first going off-topic and told inaccurate and made laughable claims such as Walter cant hurt Colossus, etc. 😬

Fairly recent, before WWH though. Actually the Sas thing was around the same time as Hulk low showings. Actually wrong again he has stated and shown to be bulletproof as he has took machine gun armor peircing bullets with no affect. Your not helping your case 😬

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
The problem is: Why would he make mention of Colossus at all if he weren't relatively close. If he was way below Colossus level when he began to struggle I doubt he would've been used for comparison. I think the writer meant to suggest he was close.

They mentioned Colossus because he's the X-Men's resident strong man, no one on the team can match him physically. And what they said was, Juggs wasn't even at Colossus level yet, which implied that he was at least a bit away from it, otherwise they would've said something like, your almost at Colossus' level.

And since he was showing so much strain, I don't know if he would have made it to, or past Colossus level. Since usually someones level is something they're comfortable at, something that's standard for them. So if he was straining to get to where Colossus is normally, then him getting to or past it is hard to imagine.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Actually no I didn't. You came in here first going off-topic and told inaccurate and made laughable claims such as Walter cant hurt Colossus, etc. 😬

Fairly recent, before WWH though. Actually the Sas thing was around the same time as Hulk low showings. Actually wrong again he has stated and shown to be bulletproof as he has took machine gun armor peircing bullets with no affect. Your not helping your case 😬

Havok was shocked Juggy became so weak. That's why he was shocked Juggy was struggling with that weight.

Originally posted by Starscream M
when did Sas ever state he was bulletproof?

Alpha Flight vol.1 before his "death"

Originally posted by -K-M-
Alpha Flight vol.1 before his "death"

I'm bulletproof??? 😕

Originally posted by KingD19
They mentioned Colossus because he's the X-Men's resident strong man, no one on the team can match him physically. And what they said was, Juggs wasn't even at Colossus level yet, which implied that he was at least a bit away from it, otherwise they would've said something like, your almost at Colossus' level.

And since he was showing so much strain, I don't know if he would have made it to, or past Colossus level. Since usually someones level is something they're comfortable at, something that's standard for them. So if he was straining to get to where Colossus is normally, then him getting to or past it is hard to imagine.

Not necessairly

Once again how do we know Colossus wasn't straining himself at those levels? 😬 and as mentioned Jugz arms were not sagging so he was not faltering and could take extra weight. How much is unknown.

Originally posted by KingD19
They mentioned Colossus because he's the X-Men's resident strong man, no one on the team can match him physically. And what they said was, Juggs wasn't even at Colossus level yet, which implied that he was at least a bit away from it, otherwise they would've said something like, your almost at Colossus' level.

And since he was showing so much strain, I don't know if he would have made it to, or past Colossus level. Since usually someones level is something they're comfortable at, something that's standard for them. So if he was straining to get to where Colossus is normally, then him getting to or past it is hard to imagine.

This doesn't make any sense. Havok says he's not at Colossus level yet at the point where Cain was struggling. Why would that be relevant if he wasn't close?

It was clear he was nearly there and would've reached that point. Also, it's never mentioed whether or not Colossus was struggling like Cain was at that weight. Everyone is assuming Colossus would be holding up the same weight no problem.

Because he was pointing out that Juggernaut was weakened to the point that a weight not even at Colossus level was giving him trouble. And like I said, someones level is usually their standard, or something they're comfortable at, for instance, I used to bench about 310, I could do 2 sets of 10, that was my level, I was comfortable at that.

It's not clear at all that he was nearly there, he could've been a few hundred pounds away, or a couple tons, there's no way to tell, but from the dialouge it wasn't too close.

He was sweating but he wasn't sagging. At my peak I don't ask people to throw more weight on the bar, it's that simple. He's sweating and visually struggling to some degree but he asks "Who says I'm struggling?" and then says to put more weight on.

I'm not saying he's stronger than Colossus, but I don't think Colossus is stronger than he was either.

Originally posted by Starscream M
what was his exact quote?

along the lines of, "...don't worry about me, my thick hide can stop bullets" and also Walter was said to possess metahuman durabilty, "able to withstand extreme temperatures and pressures, and virtually all toxins, corrosives, punctures, and concussions without sustaining injury" and "..the limits of his resistance are not known, but he has, for instance, withstood armor-pericing machine gun fire"

Originally posted by -K-M-
along the lines of, "...don't worry about me, my thick hide can stop bullets" and also Walter was said to possess metahuman durabilty, "able to withstand extreme temperatures and pressures, and virtually all toxins, corrosives, punctures, and concussions without sustaining injury" and "..the limits of his resistance are not known, but he has, for instance, withstood armor-pericing machine gun fire"

I mean, I could wear a kevlar vest and claim it will stop bullets, but the fact is powerful bullets would tear through it

I think Walter may be bulletproof against low caliber ammunition, but high powered amunition can pierce him.

and is that from wiki?

You ever stop to think that, hey it's the Juggernaut, the guy whose been physically unstoppable for years. Now that his strength is reduced, maybe he'll put on a front, he doesn't want people to think he's weak???

Originally posted by Starscream M
that quote doesn't seem to indicate he is 100% bulletproof, like Colossus is

I mean, I could wear a kevlar vest and claim it will stop bullets, but the fact is powerful bullets would tear through it

I think Walter may be bulletproof against low caliber ammunition, but high powered amunition can pierce him.

and is that from wiki?

Actually is does, did you not read it? and Im sorry whats better then armor peircing machine gun fire? You think kevlar will stop armor peircing machine gun fire? What do you think that caliber is? Your trolling again 😬

No.

Except his unstoppability isn't tied to his physical strength and no, I don't think that. He's clearly NOT at his limit in that scene or he'd be struggling way more and not asking for more weight. Also, when Bobby stops the machine it shows Juggernaut standing down there asking "Hey, what gives?" and a few moments later he's up in the booth talking to them. Neither show him bent over panting or greatly fatigued.

You don't have to be bent over or panting to be fatigued, you can be about to pass out and look just fine.

And what I meant by physically unstoppable, was that no one has been able to beat him in a brawl, no one.

And you honestly say he wasn't struggling, when it looked like his veins were about to explode out of his neck?

Originally posted by -K-M-
Actually is does, did you not read it? and Im sorry whats better then armor peircing machine gun fire? You think kevlar will stop armor peircing machine gun fire? What do you think that caliber is? Your trolling again 😬

No.

Originally posted by Starscream M
well, we still have onpanel evidence of him being shot...so that trumps your opinion of how sas should be portrayed

He got shot by armor pericing machine gunfire...on-panel 😬

and that was not my opinion all that was stated by Marvel. Your trolling again 😬

How is that struggling? I lift weights all the time and my veins pop up with every pump fatigued or not. It indicates an increase of blood flow to the muscles. That's suppose to happen, muscles are like vampires.

About to pass out and look just fine?

This is the very next page after Bobby shuts the power off in the bottom panel of the previous page. Does Juggernaut look fatigued there? Does he look like he's on the verge of passing out?