Originally posted by Blanketit may be common knowledge that superman is weak to kryptonite, but creating kryptonite is certainly NOT common knowledge. however, most people still claim that in a neutral universe, surfer would be able to create it, based on feats. the exact same thing [scaled up] applies to yuga.
The difference between Surfer/Superman and Yuga/Celestials is that Superman's weakness is common knowledge and Surfer actually uses a lot of matter manipulation. Plus people like to bring up the Gladiator instance... etc.What feats?
The one time he was next to the Source's energies and replicated it? That probably means he'll go out of his way to create a never talked about or used energy to combat a Celestial.Like I said, using your logic, we achieve the same result with Surfer in this thread as with Yuga.
yuga wanted to enter the source, he sensed it's specific energies, he transformed into them, he entered the source. to assume he would be incapable of potentially doing the same basic thing with a celestial/hyperspace, is ridiculous.
Originally posted by Galan007k, then you're still using three assumptions to the one of Superman vs Surfer.
it may be common knowledge that superman is weak to kryptonite, but creating kryptonite is certainly NOT common knowledge. however, most people still claim that in a neutral universe, surfer would be able to create it, based on feats. the exact same thing [scaled up] applies to yuga.yuga wanted to enter the source, he sensed it's specific energies, he transformed into them, he entered the source. to assume he would be incapable of potentially doing the same basic thing with a celestial/hyperspace, is ridiculous.
That's what I just said. He had something to copy off of. And it's not like that even tells him the weakness.
Also, this is a battle btw, not a 'stand there and don't hit me until I figure out your weakness.'
Ridiculous!
There, now my point is better.
It would be interesting to see Celestials try to study the Source Wall and get trapped on it. Their solution would probably be to send reinforcements. 😛
I don't see how assuming SS would make Kryptonite is much different from Yuga exploiting the Celestial's weakness. Think about it, if they're both occupying a shared, neutral universe and have knowledge of one another then Yuga would be a damn fool to not have some contingency planned in case he had to fight a Celestial (which is more or less inevitable considering Yuga's cosmic stature and the Celestials' love of meddling) If Yuga could unlock secrets of the Source Wall that Izaya couldn't then I don't see why he couldn't discover the Hyperspace weakness.
Originally posted by Omega VisionThis went from bloodlusted to prep.
It would be interesting to see Celestials try to study the Source Wall and get trapped on it. Their solution would probably be to send reinforcements. 😛
I don't see how assuming SS would make Kryptonite is much different from Yuga exploiting the Celestial's weakness. Think about it, if they're both occupying a shared, neutral universe and have knowledge of one another then Yuga would be a damn fool to not have some contingency planned in case he had to fight a Celestial (which is more or less inevitable considering Yuga's cosmic stature and the Celestials' love of meddling) If Yuga could unlock secrets of the Source Wall that Izaya couldn't then I don't see why he couldn't discover the Hyperspace weakness.
Originally posted by Blanketm'kay, even though it was never stated yuga needed the wall to be right in front of him in order to assume the source's energy type, are you forgetting that he would have a celestial right in front of him in this battle?
That's what I just said. He had something to copy off of.And it's not like that even tells him the weakness.
Also, this is a battle btw, not a 'stand there and don't hit me until I figure out your weakness.'
a celestial's power stems from hyperspace. thus the celestial itself would be yuga's link to it.
you're right. that's why i never once gave yuga favorable odds - just gave a justified opinion as to how he might be able to take a few wins.
Originally posted by Galan007It never said it, and you're correct. But that's how it happened.
m'kay, even though it was never stated yuga needed the wall to be right in front of him to assume the source's energy type, are you forgetting he'd have a celestial right in front of him?a celestial's power stems from hyperspace. that would be yuga's link to it.
you're right. that's why i never once gave yuga favorable odds - just gave a justified opinion as to how he might be able to take a few wins.
I realize. But again, that's just the power source. That has no telling of weaknesses, or even how the hyperspace would be effective in battle (at least, Yuga wouldn't know).
I am right, I know.
A different thread and Yuga would be taking all the wins, just not here.
Originally posted by Blanketthe same energy that powers the celestials [hyperspace] is also their weakness. sue merely had to focus and hit the "proper harmonic chord" [which she did on the very first try] to rupture exitar's shell. so if yuga did assume hyperspace energy, i would logically have to think he'd also be able to hit the right "chord" very quickly.
I realize. But again, that's just the power source. That has no telling of weaknesses, or even how the hyperspace would be effective in battle (at least, Yuga wouldn't know).I am right, I know.
A different thread and Yuga would be taking all the wins, just not here.
huh? "in a different thread"? not following.
Originally posted by Galan007I didn't learn anything from that post.
the same energy that powers the celestials [hyperspace] is also their weakness. sue merely had to focus and hit the "proper harmonic chord" [which she did on the very first try] to rupture exitar's shell. so if yuga did assume hyperspace energy, i would logically have to think he'd also be able to figure out the right "chord" very quickly.huh? "in another thread"? not following.
If someone created another thread that had the stipulations of Yuga knowing the Celestial's weakness, then Yuga would probably win.
Originally posted by Blanketin a 'best of ten' battle [which is what i've been using] if yuga gets shitstomped the first couple times, he might say "damn, i needs to get me suma dat" - hence the possibility of him attempting to transform into the same energies as a celestial [hyperspace.] then all he apparently would have to do is exhibit invisible woman-level concentration, to start busting up a celestial [ergo the few wins i gave him.]
I know, but like I said, his energy source doesn't say that that's his weakness. Just because he knows his energy source, that doesn't mean he knows his weakness, and as such that makes it hard to believe he would replicate the energy source. You know what I'm saying?
It makes it even harder to believe that he does so in the middle of battle.If someone created another thread that had the stipulations of Yuga knowing the Celestial's weakness, then Yuga would probably win.
i agree.
Originally posted by Galan007That is not reaching at all. 😐
in a 'best of ten' battle [which is what i've been using] if yuga gets shitstomped the first couple times, he might say "damn, i needs to get me suma dat" - hence the possibility of him attempting to transform into the same energies as a celestial [hyperspace.] then all he apparently would have to do is exhibit invisible woman-level concentration, to start busting up a celestial [ergo the few wins i gave him.]i agree.
Originally posted by Blankethow is it stretching?
That is not stretching at all. 😐
yuga can duplicate very exotic types of energy, nigh-instantly. if he got annihilated by a celestial in one battle, can you honestly say he wouldn't try everything in his bag 'o tricks to win in the following battles? that goes against the very nature of... any character, really.