Re: Christianity in America
Originally posted by DrestaJesus also plainly stated that he was there for spiritual affairs, etc, not for political affairs. He expressed no preference as to government, simply stated how his disciples should live, in a state of constant dependence upon god and rejection of material wealth.
Can somebody please answer me why Americans feel the need to throw together the phrase 'God and country' as if they're somehow related. The teachings of Jesus couldn't be more against the idea of patriotism and ownership. I mean lets be honest, Jesus was quite clearly a socialist, and modern America is all about making money. Pretty contradictory don't you think?Not to mention most of the founding fathers despised religion.
When people looked to Jesus to crown him as king of the Jews, he denied them, saying that his kingdom was not of this world.
Originally posted by One Free Man
That's not what he said in the bible.
And I will now quote one of my all time favorite verses ever.
From the book of Mathew
23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
This is besides the point that the Bible is a self contradicting mess of various books that often have little to do with each other.
Originally posted by Mairuzu
Spiritual sandtraps. We simlply don't need material things when there are far greater things in heaven which should be your ultimate goal.Not because the final judgement is here to come.
That didn't address my point at all. Jesus was saying that all these horrific apocalyptic events were going to happen soon, not later.
Well its been two thousand odd years... and nothing has happened.
Originally posted by AutokratYour quote is taken quite out of context. The entire text reads:
And I will now quote one of my all time favorite verses ever.This is besides the point that the Bible is a self contradicting mess of various books that often have little to do with each other.
[...]30And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.It does not speak of apocalyptic endings, but rather of the damnation of the Hebrew government-church. And, believe it or not, according to the bible, everything that he describes in Matthew 23, happened within that generation. Thank you, oh-so-much, for playing.31Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
38Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
39For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
For that to be a valid comparison God/Jesus/Spirit would have to all be comparable to humans and all as similar to the final product as themselves. I don't believe that claim has been made.
This is a logic exercise, not a metaphor.
Can any three entities be combined to create the same entity? Can three gods be god?
Its the classic case of the blind men feeling the elephant.