John Preston vs. Riddick

Riddick inadvertently enters a wormhole while traveling through space.

He ends up on John Preston's future Earth.

Riddick gets uppity with the initial investigators and ends up killing them with his blades.

John Preston is sent in to "clean up" the EC-10 offender.

They meet in a warehouse...some rooms are completely dark, some rooms are not.

Match them up in the following scenarios:

1. John Preston has his automatic handguns and Riddick has any gun he used in the movies.

2. Bladed weapons: John gets his katana and Riddick gets his knife/blades.

Note: Dark Fury version won't be used in this thread as some of the things he does in the anime are greatly exaggerated over Riddick's live action character and there's not Animated version of Preston's character that does the same.

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OK, let's get into it, I'll start with scenario one.

Riddick retreats to a dark room, waits for Preston to appear, and blasts him with an energy gun. Preston knew where the sense offenders were, he won't know where Riddick is. Why? Muzzleflash. Energy weapons have no muzzle flash. Preston saw the muzzleflash of their rifles and used that to pinpoint their locations.

Or Riddick could simply creep around behind him and break his neck. How? Preston will not see him, and Riddick has stealth out the yazoo.

You ****ed up giving Riddick dark rooms.

Basically what RJ said about scenario one, those Necromonger gravity guns killed everyone in one hit...except Riddick.

If they get in a c CQC fight, I'll give it to Riddick, not a stomp, but a majority. He's not above fighting dirty, and Preston beat an arrogant guy who thought he was gods gift to swords. Riddick killed a guy with super speed with a dagger.

Now, for scenario two.

Riddick pwns, I already proved this. He has:

Superior strength: He lifted men in full armor over his head like it was nothing. He also broke the neck of the Pitch Black aliens like it was nothing.

Durability: Do I really need to explain here?

Agility: On Crematoria, he twisted his way up the rope he was hanging from and snapped his handcuffs.

In the Necro battle, he flip kicked the knife out of a Necros hand, pwned him, pwned a few more, turned and caught the knife WITHOUT LOOKING, and threw it twenty feet into the eye of another Necro.

You need more?

Speed: I already pwned this. As for speed, well, when Riddick was fighting the Lord Marshall, he was able to track him, you can see Riddick following his movements, and eventually he started to block the Lord Marshall's attacks and even counter with some of his own.

And the Elemental, Aereon, on New Mecca, when she appeared in Imman's house, Riddick had his blade waiting for her, at her throat, even before she materialized beside him. So Riddick either has mad speed, or some sense of precognition. Pick one.

Fighting prowess: Riddick can kill with anything from a gun, to a blade, to a teacup. He can take on vast numbers of foes in one sitting and win. 45 to be exact.

Endurance/Stamina: Again: Riddick running across the planet of Crematoria, 30 clicks (about 20 miles), and then tearing through 45 plus Necros trumps any endurance feat Preston showed.

BTW, marathons are 26.2 miles, so Riddick ran close to a damn marathon before fighting the Necros. Please provide a Preston feat that comes remotely close to this. You cant.

Pwned.

And no, he never tired, he was worn down a bit after the Lord Marshall beat the piss outta him, but during the Necro fight, he went on and on and on like a Furyan energizer bunny. Riddick has practically limitless stamina dn endurance. 20 MILES, dude.

BTW, haermm At having to gimp Riddick in order to give Preston a chance.

He's also got a pretty high pain tolerance, since he dislocated his shoulders to escape his cuffs in Pitch Black with nothing but a grunt.

And his durability was shown in the rope scene when he fell like 40+ feet, when the handcuffs snapped, his shoulders should have popped clean out.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
OK, let's get into it, I'll start with scenario one.

Riddick retreats to a dark room, waits for Preston to appear, and blasts him with an energy gun. Preston knew where the sense offenders were, he won't know where Riddick is. Why? Muzzleflash. Energy weapons have no muzzle flash. Preston saw the muzzleflash of their rifles and used that to pinpoint their locations.

Or Riddick could simply creep around behind him and break his neck. How? Preston will not see him, and Riddick has stealth out the yazoo.

You ****ed up giving Riddick dark rooms.

Unfortunately, Preston doesn't even have to see anyone, as seen by the opening scene. That's a major point fail, on your part, RJ. You typed that all up and forgot about that.

I gave him dark rooms so someone would make a post like yours so I could point out that Preston pwned in a dark room. You assume he needed a muzzle flash when he wasn't even looking at some of the people he shot.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Unfortunately, Preston doesn't even have to see anyone, as seen by the opening scene. That's a major point fail, on your part, RJ. You typed that all up and forgot about that.

I gave him dark rooms so someone would make a post like yours so I could point out that Preston pwned in a dark room. You assume he needed a muzzle flash when he wasn't even looking at some of the people he shot.

He entered the room, they fired, he didn't return fire right away, why? Because he was using their muzzleflash AND the sound of their voices to pinpoint their location.

Energy weapons have no muzzleflash, Riddick will cap him and Preston will never know it.

Also, he wasn't looking as he fired, yes, but he knew where to fire because he pinpointed their locations. How? Muzzleflash and their voices.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
It's called "peripheral vision", dude, look it up.

That has it's limits, dude. Some of the guys were almost directly behind him.

He also managed to place himself out of harms way before the firing began, in the dark no less. Slow-ass sound guns ain't likely going to hit him.

So Preston wins all the areas with light and loses a few here and there in the darkened ones, if it's a 10 out of 10 scenario.

Here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equilibrium_(film)

Gun Kata is a fictional gun-fighting martial art discipline that is a significant part of the film. It is based upon the premise that, given the positions of the participants in a gun battle, the trajectories of fire are statistically predictable. By pure memorization of the positions, one can fire at the most likely location of an enemy without aiming at him in the traditional sense of pointing a gun at a specific target. By the same token, the trajectories of incoming fire are also statistically predictable, so by assuming the appropriate stance, one can keep one's body clear of the most likely way of enemy bullets.

This part in particular:

By pure memorization of the positions, one can fire at the most likely location of an enemy without aiming at him in the traditional sense of pointing a gun at a specific target.

Yes, the Cleric memorizes the positions of his enemies, then returns fire without looking. Preston memorized the sense offenders positions by seeing the muzzleflashes and the sounds of their voices. A Necromonger energy weapon produces no muzzle flash. The energy blast will reach Preston and kill him before he can react.

Originally posted by Robtard
That has it's limits, dude. Some of the guys were almost directly behind him.

He also managed to place himself out of harms way before the firing began, in the dark no less. Slow-ass sound guns ain't likely going to hit him.

The "slow ass" energy gun WILL find him. He will never see the blast coming, he will have no clue as to where Riddick is.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equilibrium_(film)

Gun Kata is a fictional gun-fighting martial art discipline that is a significant part of the film. It is based upon the premise that, given the positions of the participants in a gun battle, the trajectories of fire are statistically predictable. By pure memorization of the positions, one can fire at the most likely location of an enemy without aiming at him in the traditional sense of pointing a gun at a specific target. By the same token, the trajectories of incoming fire are also statistically predictable, so by assuming the appropriate stance, one can keep one's body clear of the most likely way of enemy bullets.

This part in particular:

[b]By pure memorization of the positions, one can fire at the most likely location of an enemy without aiming at him in the traditional sense of pointing a gun at a specific target.

Yes, the Cleric memorizes the positions of his enemies, then returns fire without looking. Preston memorized the sense offenders positions by seeing the muzzleflashes and the sounds of their voices. A Necromonger energy weapon produces no muzzle flash. The energy blast will reach Preston and kill him before he can react. [/B]

They do produce sound though, doh. That and they're considrably slower than bullets.

Originally posted by Robtard

So Preston wins all the areas with light and loses a few here and there in the darkened ones, if it's a 10 out of 10 scenario.

Preston wins the gun battles in the light, but gets pwned in the dark in both scenarios. See my post for scenario two, everything I posted there is accurate.

That would work, except for the fact he jumped/slide into the room and then never moved, except for his arms, this happened before any shots were fired. So your point above fails.

Originally posted by Robtard
That would work, except for the fact he jumped/slide into the room and then never moved, except for his arms, this happened before any shots were fired. So your point above fails.

Said point is valid and pwns.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Yes, he jumped slid into the room and stood there as they returned fire and then talked amongst themselves. This is where he was pinpointing their locations. He used their muzzleflashes to locate them, then their voices to ensure they were still in the same location, then he pwned them.

Said point is valid and pwns.

He still stayed out of harms way before guns were fired; people spoke and he did this without moving; in complete darkenss. So no, your point [still] fails and doesn't "pwns."

Originally posted by Robtard
He still stayed out of harms way before guns were fired; people spoke and he did this without moving; in complete darkenss. So no, your point fails.

WTF are you babbling about? He slid in the room, they fired and missed, he stood there listening to their voices, and using that, and the memorization of their muzzleflashes, he shot them.

Look here:

http://www.spikedhumor.com/articles/36174/Opening-Fight-Scene-From-Equilibrium.html

At 2:17, he slides into the room. The sense offenders are firing at him as he does so. He stands. The door closes, the room goes dark. The firing stops.

At 2:34, someone says "Where is he?", and someone says "Shut up."

At 2:36, someone says "Did we get him?", and someone says "Shut up."

At 2:40, someone says "Listen."

At 2:44, Preston opens fire on the sense offenders.

This all points to what I said, that he used the muzzleflashes at first to locate them, and then their voices to pinpoint them even further. At this point, he had their positions MEMORIZED, and shot the down.

If this is not accurate, then how did Preston know where to fire? I'll tell you how, it's all in what I said. Peston had no idea where they were located before he entered the room. Just like he will have no idea where Riddick will be, because Necro energy weapons have no muzzleflash, and it isn't like Riddick is gonna make a sound for Preston to use to locate him.

This is uncontestable, I dont know why you are even trying to disprove the facts I am presenting.

Answer this question: HOW did Preston know where to fire? Hmm? Go ahead, make something up, I'll wait.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Now, for scenario two.

[b]Superior strength: He lifted men in full armor over his head like it was nothing. He also broke the neck of the Pitch Black aliens like it was nothing.[/B]

Strength would play a part if it came down to both of them being just as fast and as skilled as the other. However, that wouldn't be the case as Preston is much too fast and skilled for Riddick to do anything but get his face cut off.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
[b]Durability: Do I really need to explain here?[/B]

Cutting off his face would certainly take care of him. 🙂

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
[b]Agility: On Crematoria, he twisted his way up the rope he was hanging from and snapped his handcuffs.

In the Necro battle, he flip kicked the knife out of a Necros hand, pwned him, pwned a few more, turned and caught the knife WITHOUT LOOKING, and threw it twenty feet into the eye of another Necro.

You need more?[/B]

Doesn't compare to Preston running up a motorcycle, doing a front flip, and shooting two armored clerics without looking, then landing on his feet. Or Preston predicting exactly where he would need to reload, then, running while dodging all of the gun fire, flipping up in the air, shooting guys on the left, behind him, and in front, and landing perfectly to pick up his reloads and continuing firing with almost no delay.

If you consider agility Riddick being kicked 15 feet and smacking a pillar and having a hard time getting up, I'll give you that. crylaugh

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
[b]Speed: I already pwned this. As for speed, well, when Riddick was fighting the Lord Marshall, he was able to track him, you can see Riddick following his movements, and eventually he started to block the Lord Marshall's attacks and even counter with some of his own.[/B]

No, he didn't. He blocked a few, but was getting his ass thoroughly kicked. Riddick is fairly badass, dude. There's not reason to lie about his abilities.

Also, it took Riddick twice as long to clear a room full of shitty human foot-soldiers (towards the beginning of the film) as it did Preston to clear the room of those top-level Clerics at the end. Riddick started with his blades. Preston started with nothing.

Also, the way Toombs captured Riddick.

Lol.

He wasn't even surrounded.

Preston would have dropped every lost one of them without trying. That would have been a cakewalk.

Now do you see why we think Riddick loses?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And the Elemental, Aereon, on New Mecca, when she appeared in Imman's house, Riddick had his blade waiting for her, at her throat, even before she materialized beside him. So Riddick either has mad speed, or some sense of precognition. Pick one.

Neither.

She wasn't completely silent and Riddick heard her etheral approach. You claim to have the DVD. Play it again and you can hear her before Riddick reacts. He's in a room, by himself. Any sounds of a human would send any battle-hardened solider off, especially a furyian.

Watch the scene again. The wind starts blowing from one direction, then that sound is heard, Riddick looks over at it, and as she starts to materialize, Ridick puts a blade to her neck.

Also, just five seconds later, she does the same thing, windy shit can still be heard, and Riddick loses track of her and she appears behind him. Where's his precog now hmmm? No where. He doesn't have it nor is it mad speed.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
[b]Fighting prowess: Riddick can kill with anything from a gun, to a blade, to a teacup. He can take on vast numbers of foes in one sitting and win. 45 to be exact.[/B]

We agree on something.

Also, didn't he kill more than 45?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
[b]Endurance/Stamina: Again: Riddick running across the planet of Crematoria, 30 clicks (about 20 miles), and then tearing through 45 plus Necros trumps any endurance feat Preston showed.[/B]

Not even 2:30 into the film and he's running away from the bounty hunters. Riddick, though not gasping, is winded as he's running over those snow gaps.

I didn't have to watch the film very to find that. 😬

And, the fact that Preston isn't winded throughout his adventures trumps anything Riddick as done as he got winded.

Not winded > winded.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And no, he never tired, he was worn down a bit after the Lord Marshall beat the piss outta him, but during the Necro fight, he went on and on and on like a Furyan energizer bunny. Riddick has practically limitless stamina dn endurance. 20 MILES, dude.

I would definitely say Riddick has some great stamina. He still got winded throughout his adventures, was even really worn out at times, but Preston never was.

Pwned.

Also, I've discovered something about the Chronicles of Riddick that make Dark Fury Non-canon: Riddick doesn't know who Toombs is in Chronicles of Riddick. The meet in Dark Fury but Riddick strangely doesn't know who Toombs is. Toombs makes no mention of why he wanted to Pursue Riddick so badly after Dark Fury.

On this new note, Imp, Dark Fury isn't canon.

Major pwn.

Edit - Chronicles of Riddick is quite badass. It's actually sad that such a good movie didn't do so well. Sure, there are some cheesy parts, but it's a major kick-ass movie.