John Preston vs. Riddick

Started by dadudemon3 pages

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
WTF are you babbling about? He slid in the room, they fired and missed, he stood there listening to their voices, and using that, and the memorization of their muzzleflashes, he shot them.

Look here:

http://www.spikedhumor.com/articles/36174/Opening-Fight-Scene-From-Equilibrium.html

At 2:17, he slides into the room. The sense offenders are firing at him as he does so. He stands. The door closes, the room goes dark. The firing stops.

At 2:34, someone says "Where is he?", and someone says "Shut up."

At 2:36, someone says "Did we get him?", and someone says "Shut up."

At 2:40, someone says "Listen."

At 2:44, Preston opens fire on the sense offenders.

This all points to what I said, that he used the muzzleflashes at first to locate them, and then their voices to pinpoint them even further. At this point, he had their positions MEMORIZED, and shot the down.

If this is not accurate, then how did Preston know where to fire? I'll tell you how, it's all in what I said. Peston had no idea where they were located before he entered the room. Just like he will have no idea where Riddick will be, because Necro energy weapons have no muzzleflash, and it isn't like Riddick is gonna make a sound for Preston to use to locate him.

This is uncontestable, I dont know why you are even trying to disprove the facts I am presenting.

Answer this question: HOW did Preston know where to fire? Hmm? Go ahead, make something up, I'll wait.

Your entire point falls flat on its face. You didn't prove anything other than my point. He didn't memorize their muzzle flashes. Where is this B.S. you pulling out of your ass?

You do know that you have to prove that he memorized the locations of the shots, looked at every direction the were coming form, and prove that it's part of Gun Kata.

Since the latter two are definitely false, you're wrong.

If he was memorizing all of the shots, he'd have to look at all locations. Eyes are fairly straight forward the whole time before he opens fire.

Pwned.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
It's called "peripheral vision", dude, look it up. No way no how Preston walks into the dark room and knows where they are immediately. Never in "Equilibrium" were the Clerics shown having precog, or any mental power that enabled them to know where people are before they see them (Or in this case, their muzzleflash, or the sound of their voices.)

He entered the room, they fired, he didn't return fire right away, why? Because he was using their muzzleflash AND the sound of their voices to pinpoint their location.

Energy weapons have no muzzleflash, Riddick will cap him and Preston will never know it.

Yeah, he used peripheral vision for the people that were behind him. Good call. 🙄

You're really reaching now. Arguing a strawman with the "precog" bullshit that no-one even stated.

If he memorized their shots by using the flash, why did he wait so long? Oh wait, it's cause he wasn't. He's just that damn good.

And, I agree that he was using the sounds of the room to locate everyone. That's why he waited for a bit after busting in. Duh.

And, Riddick will try to sneak up on Preston, get his face cut off, or get 5 bullets in his face and chest...just like every other person that went up against Preston. 😄

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
As I said, their voices gave them away. He positioned himself out of harms way because he knew where they were by seeing their muzzleflashes AND hearing their voices.

The "slow ass" energy gun WILL find him. He will never see the blast coming, he will have no clue as to where Riddick is.

Right, cause a single fire gun that is 3 times as slow as a pistol will definitely be faster than anything Preston faced. Wait, what? It's not? Oh, right, you're making things up again.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Preston wins the gun battles in the light, but gets pwned in the dark in both scenarios. See my post for scenario two, everything I posted there is accurate.

Nope. Riddick doesn't even win in the dark scenarios....cept maybe a bladed one here and there. But even then, it's questionable that Riddick can get the drop on Preston. No one and I mean no one got the drop on Preston. Riddick got the drop put on him in light, even.

Pwned. Doh!

Throw Riddick into the same room and he gets pumped full of lead as he busts in. DOH! Pwned. If he even dared make a move after making it into the room, he's swiss cheese. DOH!

One final note: Preston knew where to fire because he's that damn good. He didn't just listen to their voices, the little nuances, shuffles, clinking, clacking, etc. All of those Preston used to his advantage. I'll give you one thing about your points. I bet Preston counted all the guns he "heard" while busting in.

Also, Preston fired in multiple direction while avoiding bullets in the fuggin' dark against a dozen or more people with automatics. Auto-freakinmatics. Every last one traveled MUCH faster and had a much faster firing rate than those sonic side arms Riddick used to pwn the slow moving Necros.

Again, Preston didn't have to touch or fip his opponents like Riddick did. DOH! Preston is that much better. Double doh! And the Necromongers were simply humans that were assimilated by the Necromongers after each world was conquered. Triple doh!

Damn, I type ****in' fast. 😆

Also, Kiera, a little punk b*tch regular ol' human, not only got the drop on Riddick, she got out of a hold on him, and cut his face like he was a b*tch ass.

🙂

Did that ever happen to Preston? DOH!

Originally posted by dadudemon
Your entire point falls flat on its face. You didn't prove anything other than my point. He didn't memorize their muzzle flashes. Where is this B.S. you pulling out of your ass?

You do know that you have to prove that he memorized the locations of the shots, looked at every direction the were coming form, and prove that it's part of Gun Kata.

Since the latter two are definitely false, you're wrong.

If he was memorizing all of the shots, he'd have to look at all locations. Eyes are fairly straight forward the whole time before he opens fire.

Pwned.

Prove that he memorized the locations of his shots? It's right there in the wiki link.

Here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equilibrium_(film)

Gun Kata is a fictional gun-fighting martial art discipline that is a significant part of the film. It is based upon the premise that, given the positions of the participants in a gun battle, the trajectories of fire are statistically predictable. By pure memorization of the positions, one can fire at the most likely location of an enemy without aiming at him in the traditional sense of pointing a gun at a specific target. By the same token, the trajectories of incoming fire are also statistically predictable, so by assuming the appropriate stance, one can keep one's body clear of the most likely way of enemy bullets.

He used the muzzleflashes and/or the sounds of their voices to pinpoint their location. He then commenced to plug their ass.

Riddicks weapon will have no muzzleflash, and he won't make a sound, therefore Preston is ****ed.

You said this: One final note: Preston knew where to fire because he's that damn good. He didn't just listen to their voices, the little nuances, shuffles, clinking, clacking, etc. All of those Preston used to his advantage. I'll give you one thing about your points. I bet Preston counted all the guns he "heard" while busting in.

All of that is tied in to Preston hearing them, dude. Their voices, their footsteps, etc etc etc;

So my point stands, without a muzzleflash or his prey making any sound, there is no way for Preston to locate them in a dark room. If Riddick is in a dark room, making no noises, Preston will have no way of locating him, unless you are now giving Preston some uber Wolverine senses.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Strength would play a part if it came down to both of them being just as fast and as skilled as the other. However, that wouldn't be the case as Preston is much too fast and skilled for Riddick to do anything but get his face cut off.
No, man, he isn't. I already proved that with the Elemental scene, and your retort is shit.

Cutting off his face would certainly take care of him. 🙂
Hard to do when Riddick is butt****ing him with a teacup.

Doesn't compare to Preston running up a motorcycle, doing a front flip, and shooting two armored clerics without looking, then landing on his feet. Or Preston predicting exactly where he would need to reload, then, running while dodging all of the gun fire, flipping up in the air, shooting guys on the left, behind him, and in front, and landing perfectly to pick up his reloads and continuing firing with almost no delay.
Preston did all that in the light, he could see them. He wont see Riddick in the dark, and he wont hear him either.

Epic fail.

If you consider agility Riddick being kicked 15 feet and smacking a pillar and having a hard time getting up, I'll give you that. crylaugh
Stop being silly, Riddick displays mad agility in all his movies.

No, he didn't. He blocked a few, but was getting his ass thoroughly kicked. Riddick is fairly badass, dude. There's not reason to lie about his abilities.
Yes, he was getting his ass kicked, but he did land at least two punches.

Also, it took Riddick twice as long to clear a room full of shitty human foot-soldiers (towards the beginning of the film) as it did Preston to clear the room of those top-level Clerics at the end. Riddick started with his blades. Preston started with nothing.
They had guns, man. The clerics didnt use their guns.

Fail retort is fail.

Also, the way Toombs captured Riddick.

Lol.

He wasn't even surrounded.

Preston would have dropped every lost one of them without trying. That would have been a cakewalk.

Dude, Riddick allowed himself to be captured. He had to get to Kyra, and he knew Toombs would take him to Crematoria.

Epic uber fail.

Now do you see why we think Riddick loses?
Nope, not even your gimped version of Riddick loses.

Neither.

She wasn't completely silent and Riddick heard her etheral approach. You claim to have the DVD. Play it again and you can hear her before Riddick reacts. He's in a room, by himself. Any sounds of a human would send any battle-hardened solider off, especially a furyian.

Watch the scene again. The wind starts blowing from one direction, then that sound is heard, Riddick looks over at it, and as she starts to materialize, Ridick puts a blade to her neck.

Also, just five seconds later, she does the same thing, windy shit can still be heard, and Riddick loses track of her and she appears behind him. Where's his precog now hmmm? No where. He doesn't have it nor is it mad speed.

He was in a room alone? Are you high? There were at least 4 other people there. He heard the wind, he looked to his right, extended his blade arm, and she materialized exactly where he knew she would.

And when she materialized again and he lost track of her, he was talking to Imman, his attention elsewhere.

We agree on something.

Also, didn't he kill more than 45?

He killed 45ish with his blades or h2h, a handful more with the energy gun.

Not even 2:30 into the film and he's running away from the bounty hunters. Riddick, though not gasping, is winded as he's running over those snow gaps.

I didn't have to watch the film very to find that. 😬

And, the fact that Preston isn't winded throughout his adventures trumps anything Riddick as done as he got winded.

Not winded > winded.

Riddick was GRUNTING as he ran, not gasping for air.

And yeah, totally ignore the 20miles he ran. Did Preston run 20 miles and pwn like Riddick? Nope.

Pwned like a two dollar crack ho.

I would definitely say Riddick has some great stamina. He still got winded throughout his adventures, was even really worn out at times, but Preston never was.

Pwned.

Cuz Preston had a car, and he never faced 45 plus people, all at once, one at a time.

Pwned. HARD.

Also, I've discovered something about the Chronicles of Riddick that make Dark Fury Non-canon: Riddick doesn't know who Toombs is in Chronicles of Riddick. The meet in Dark Fury but Riddick strangely doesn't know who Toombs is. Toombs makes no mention of why he wanted to Pursue Riddick so badly after Dark Fury.

All Riddick knows is that Toombs is a merc. He learns his name and shit in Chronicles. You are so damn off on the movies it astounds me.

On this new note, Imp, Dark Fury isn't canon.

Major pwn.

Yes it is, I proved that beyond a doubt, but your butthurt is apparently bleeding.

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Originally posted by dadudemon
Also, Kiera, a little punk b*tch regular ol' human, not only got the drop on Riddick, she got out of a hold on him, and cut his face like he was a b*tch ass.

🙂

Did that ever happen to Preston? DOH!

Yeppers it did, by five men wearing full body armor. Pwned.

Riddick coulda killed her at any time, man, pull your head outta your ass, He cared about her, that's why he didn't kill her. Pwned.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Right, cause a single fire gun that is 3 times as slow as a pistol will definitely be faster than anything Preston faced. Wait, what? It's not? Oh, right, you're making things up again.
Three times slower? Proof of that? Hmm? Thought not.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Yeah, he used peripheral vision for the people that were behind him. Good call. 🙄

You're really reaching now. Arguing a strawman with the "precog" bullshit that no-one even stated.

If he memorized their shots by using the flash, why did he wait so long? Oh wait, it's cause he wasn't. He's just that damn good.

And, I agree that he was using the sounds of the room to locate everyone. That's why he waited for a bit after busting in. Duh.

And, Riddick will try to sneak up on Preston, get his face cut off, or get 5 bullets in his face and chest...just like every other person that went up against Preston. 😄

I said muzzleflash AND sounds, dude, pay attention.

I'm buying RJ's arguments 🙂

I must admit DDM's arrogance did contribute a little though 😂

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
WTF are you babbling about? He slid in the room, they fired and missed, he stood there listening to their voices, and using that, and the memorization of their muzzleflashes, he shot them.

LoL, you're funny, you've tweaked your argument now. At first it was "he positioned himself out of harms way after they fired", which was clearly wrong, as I've shown you. Now you're changing it to them just "missing" him.

So Preston loses some in a dark room against a guy who has night-vision.

Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, you're funny, you've tweaked your argument now. At first it was "he positioned himself out of harms way after they fired", which was clearly wrong, as I've shown you. Now you're changing it to them just "missing" him.

So Preston loses some in a dark room against a guy who has night-vision.

I think you're sniffing glue again. Quote me, I dont know what you're referring to.

Another question: Preston pulls up, Riddick retreats into a totally dark room. Preston enters the room, Riddick is making zero noise and Preston cannot see him. How does Preston know where to shoot?

Another question: Same as above, and when Preston stops to look around, Riddick fires the energy weapon at him. How does Preston avoid being hit? He was never shown "dodging" bullets, you know.

And another: Same situation again. Preston enters the room and Riddick throws a knife at his face. How does Preston avoid being hit? The Lord Marshall was WAY faster than Preston, and he couldn't avoid being hit when Riddick threw his knife at him.

Can we agree to stop saying Pwned? Buncha grown men saying that shit is depressing

Originally posted by Quincy
Can we agree to stop saying Pwned? Buncha grown men saying that shit is depressing

😂

Originally posted by Quincy
Can we agree to stop saying Pwned? Buncha grown men saying that shit is depressing
Damn, you pwned us haermm

Originally posted by Placidity
I'm buying RJ's arguments 🙂

I must admit DDM's arrogance did contribute a little though 😂

Wait, you mean the arrogance that I'm mocking from RJ?

Odd.

pwned.