Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann vs Vegito

Originally posted by BloodRain
You just went back to saying how reality was in shambles. I asked you to quantify it, especially after admitting that it's not a direct 'bust' and is a chain reaction. If you honestly believe that anyone who can break realities barrier is a universe+ buster, then you really need go read more fiction because hundreds of characters have been able to do so. Hulk, Supes, SBP, a bunch of manga character etc. One thing that have in common is that neither of them are universal or multiversal. If you can't quantify it, or use it as an actual attack, you have nothing.

That's just illogical. On thinking everything has a durability, that breaking the support beam makes you a house buster, and thinking someone who has never watches TTGL could be a fantard. Nice try though, but I prefer actual evidence over fan desires.

So are you saying if I cut down a houses support beams, and the house collapses, I'm not the one who destroyed the house? I think you have a very twisted sense of logic, as anyone who has committed arson would inform you. Try that logic with a judge. "It wasn't me who destroyed the house, it was gravity!", lol.

I don't recall any of those characters other than SBP destroying the barriers of reality(unless we count when Supe's was chasing Supergirl and nearly flew into heaven somehow), but even then, he didn't nearly destroy the multiverse from doing so, he got trapped in between dimensions. Breaking through a wall in a house is different than smashing all the walls down. Show any feats of those characters(even ones from different animes, mostly because you've piqued my interest with that claim), that constitute or even state them to be near destroying reality itself. Obviously don't post the PC Superman chasing Supergirl, or SBP doing whatever he did to break through reality(I think he was fighting anti-monitor or something with a bunch of other people helping him), but the others... yeah.

Originally posted by ares834
Hey Gogeta, do you mind posting the scans where Buu almost destroys reality? I'd like to see it.

There's not a scan, because it was in the anime only. However, it is accepted as cannon in the Daizenshuu volume 7, so... it is. I can send you the vid if you want though, but I think if you just look at the last few pages of comments you'll find it posted by me.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=XOKZd8Y7S2M#t=940

Yeah, here it is again.

...my god. Its not hard to grasp so where are you failing here? Okay, I'll try again, slower this time; You take a sledgehamme and through some surge of adrenalin you break the support wall/beam/whatever. The house comes down. Q1) Does this mean you have the physical strength to destroy houses, or just strong enough to break something that in turn destroyed the house?

Hulk punched a hole through blahblahblah (bored mid sentence), Supes used HV to hold a hole in reality together, and all the others that go around tearing up the fabric of reality. Remember that this is your claim about the durability of reality; "The multiverse is a part of reality, and reality's durability. To break reality, you literally break a hole in the multiverse." So unless everyone who can affect the fabric of their reality is overcoming the durability of their own universe/multiverse, as per your claim, its not actually the case. It cannot be quantified.

Originally posted by BloodRain
...my god. Its not hard to grasp so where are you failing here? Okay, I'll try again, slower this time; You take a sledgehamme and through some surge of adrenalin you break the support wall/beam/whatever. The house comes down. Q1) Does this mean you have the physical strength to destroy houses, or just strong enough to break something that in turn destroyed the house?

Hulk punched a hole through blahblahblah (bored mid sentence), Supes used HV to hold a hole in reality together, and all the others that go around tearing up the fabric of reality. Remember that this is your claim about the durability of reality; "The multiverse is a part of reality, and reality's durability. To break reality, you literally break a hole in the multiverse." So unless everyone who can affect the fabric of their reality is overcoming the durability of their own universe/multiverse, as per your claim, its not actually the case. It cannot be quantified.

Are you retarded, or just ****ing with me? Houses have MANY more than one support beam. You would have to break many of them for the house to collapse. Affecting the fabric of reality is completely different than literally breaking it. I remember Supe's holding a hole in reality open, but since he didn't display power NEAR capable of opening that hole, and/or holding it longer than a few seconds, that feat is moot. Also, mind defining what Superman that was?

Hulk never did that. At least not that I've seen. Show scans or didn't happen.

Define "All others who go around tearing up the fabric of reality". Name some characters at least. And don't name certain characters that can do so by special abilities that specifically let them do so, like Inuyasha for example, who can briefly open portals in reality with an ability made for that, and not out of destructive force.

I see your point though. However, quantifiable proof of his strength(to the lowest degree albeit) comes from the Janemba movie. Goku stated Fat Janemba to be able to destroy the entire universe with his raw power. Not through chain reaction, but through raw power. Even Super Janemba was MUCH weaker than Buuhan, and around the level of Buutenks. The reality feat just shows that with raw power in DBZ, you can do more to affect or destroy reality, which apparently has more durability than the entire universe at the least. So, no matter the case, Buuhan is multiversal/reality level buster. Vegetto was vastly superior to him. Vegetto is multiversal/reality level buster, which is far above anything in TTGL, iirc.

Stop pretending to be this incapable of grasping that simple point. You know its just an example, just like you not being strong enough to topple a supporting structure. An example. One that matches the scenario. Breaking a support and a house coming down, pulling a main branch and a beavers dam coming apart, pushing one domino for a thousand more to fall after, rolling a snowball down a hill and ending with something thrice the size, dropping a weight from a mile up with its impact force being several times greater. Each one has the person doing a small event that triggers much larger force that did not come from themself.

Do I look like a comic fanboy to you? Minor example, google it. Still, with that, SBP (even if assisted, a fraction of a feat that beaks the reality between an extensive multiverse.. yeah), and Superman cauterising reality back together is as great a feat. Its like welding to pieced of metal together. Do you want to think about both the force and the heat needed if the durability of reality matched the size of the fictions verse? With the heat to melt reality the opponent could be in another galaxy and still be vaporized by being that distance from it..

Also if your stance is that they use brute force and nothing else, then you would need a perfect explanation as to why things stronger than S3Gotenks' scream (E.g his own blasts, SuperBuu's, Buutenks', Buuhan's, Gohan's and Vegito's blasts.. heck I'd easily say that S3 Goku's blasts are far beyond Gotenks' scream. No. Not even that. In destructive force even Raditz's blasts did more. And you want to exclude 'special moves' when the scream is basically that?

IIRC Goku said his reality warping powers would destroy it in the way he was ****ing around with the area. Not like he could fire off a blast.. and remember just above you omitted the use of special move that weren't raw destructive attacks.

The fact that you put "/reality" shows that you do know that its only due to affecting reality with special certain moves that they can do anything on this level.

That, and a double non-canon discussion..

...Meaning I can still stick to the origional point that TTGL literally walks with the speed to blitz the DBZ verse before anyone has time to blink, in the process wiping them out.

Also Arc-Gurren Lagann was able to punch so hard he created tears in reality and this guy is nothing compared to TTGL.

Watched the video. Talk about over inflating a feat. There was no reality destruction of any sort. The only thing "destroyed" from Buuhan screaming was the cloud formations. Not to mention, Kid Buu let out a scream in the manga and all it did was hurt Goku and Vegeta's ears. Bills and Whis are stronger than any form of Buu and yet both of them can't destroy universes either. Bills was said to just be galaxy level which is still a far cry from destroying a universe.

The whole screaming deal didn't happen in the manga anyway so it's simply filler to pad out the fight since it was originally pretty short.

As said before, TTGL wins by either tossing a galaxy at Vegeto or simply moving and crushing him since TTGL is 52.8 billion light years tall. Both scenarios are beyond overkill.