Originally posted by galactusischere
I don't know shit about this?
ur the one saying Tyrant cant casually destroy galaxies
Originally posted by -Pr-
Imperiex was about as evil as galactus is.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Imperiex believed he was the "natural order". there was no malice in his actions. he saw the universe as being full of bacteria. the same way you'd have flies in your kitchen. galactus has threatened earth before. its not like he's innocent.
Disagree very strongly with your reasoning.
While Imperiex and Galactus and self-aggrandizing beings it is truly Imperiex who is the more arrogant and malicious.
Now obviously the example I am about to give is a bit extreme but the general principal is within the same parameters.
3rd Reich believed it was the reign of the "pure superior race." They saw one race in particular as a blight on the perfection of mankind and took steps to cleanse what they saw as a major imperfection.
some people in hitler's inner circle who were in strong conviction about the perfect german race etc. were so resolute in their stance that they saw "no malice" in their actions.
furthermore, the mere notion that Imperiex believes himself to be the only one capable of rectifying a universal imperfection, no matter what it takes, is rife with malicious intent, even if the ends are noble.
History, comics, fiction, etc. are full of characters who say "i am the only one who can do x for the greater good. And i will see it done to the very last"
That is the very archetype of the "noble villain"
Your example of flies in the kitchen is also flawed...unless it was ever explained in OWAW that the DCU was Imperiex's sole property and that he was restoring its purity. You own your kitchen (or if you do not, you are its primary user). You can drive flies out because you don't like flies in general, or you do not want them transferring bacteria to your food, etc.
the DCU is not Imperiex's to decide when to eliminate or recreate. he is not its primary resident, and he sure as hell doesn't own it. Instead he took on a sanctimonious goal of purify space he *shares* with billions of inhabitants, effectively robbing every sentient being of their free-will of choice or say-so on the matter. how is that not malicious?
Contrast this to Galactus. Unlike Imperiex, his actions truly have no malice because his purpose and function were clearly ordained from the onset.
Galactus is intrinsic to the MU...Imperiex is the complete opposite...he is the IMPERFECTION of the DCU.
Whereas imperiex has and agenda of "i will do what i see is necessary to purify the universe, no matter what opposition i come across"
Galactus simply performs a repetitive task for billions of years which is necessary for the normal continuity of the MU. In fact he stated multiple times in Annihilation that his primary desire is to maintain the consonance of the cosmos.
I don't see at all how Imperiex's goal of "purifying the universe" is "just as evil" as Galactus' goal of letting life in the universe continue as its trillions of inhabitants know it.
Heroes and villains united against Imperiex because he threatened the unviersal way of life. Heroes unite against Galactus because they dont want their world consumed. Galactus, as stan lee wrote, "bears no malice towards any living being" and if he's driven from a world he wishes to consume, he doesn't indignantly insist on punishing those who prevent him from doing his cosmic work. Instead he simply ups and leaves and goes to another planet. What character in all of comics just turns around and goes somewhere else when resisted?
They're not at all similar in their intentions, nor their actions.
Originally posted by Tenebrous
Disagree very strongly with your reasoning.While Imperiex and Galactus and self-aggrandizing beings it is truly Imperiex who is the more arrogant and malicious.
Now obviously the example I am about to give is a bit extreme but the general principal is within the same parameters.
3rd Reich believed it was the reign of the "pure superior race." They saw one race in particular as a blight on the perfection of mankind and took steps to cleanse what they saw as a major imperfection.
some people in hitler's inner circle who were in strong conviction about the perfect german race etc. were so resolute in their stance that they saw "no malice" in their actions.furthermore, the mere notion that Imperiex believes himself to be the only one capable of rectifying a universal imperfection, no matter what it takes, is rife with malicious intent, even if the ends are noble.
History, comics, fiction, etc. are full of characters who say "i am the only one who can do x for the greater good. And i will see it done to the very last"
That is the very archetype of the "noble villain"
Your example of flies in the kitchen is also flawed...unless it was ever explained in OWAW that the DCU was Imperiex's sole property and that he was restoring its purity. You own your kitchen (or if you do not, you are its primary user). You can drive flies out because you don't like flies in general, or you do not want them transferring bacteria to your food, etc.
the DCU is not Imperiex's to decide when to eliminate or recreate. he is not its primary resident, and he sure as hell doesn't own it. Instead he took on a sanctimonious goal of purify space he *shares* with billions of inhabitants, effectively robbing every sentient being of their free-will of choice or say-so on the matter. how is that not malicious?
Contrast this to Galactus. Unlike Imperiex, his actions truly have no malice because his purpose and function were clearly ordained from the onset.
Galactus is intrinsic to the MU...Imperiex is the complete opposite...he is the IMPERFECTION of the DCU.
Whereas imperiex has and agenda of "i will do what i see is necessary to purify the universe, no matter what opposition i come across"
Galactus simply performs a repetitive task for billions of years which is necessary for the normal continuity of the MU. In fact he stated multiple times in Annihilation that his primary desire is to maintain the consonance of the cosmos.
I don't see at all how Imperiex's goal of "purifying the universe" is "just as evil" as Galactus' goal of letting life in the universe continue as its trillions of inhabitants know it.
Heroes and villains united against Imperiex because he threatened the unviersal way of life. Heroes unite against Galactus because they dont want their world consumed. Galactus, as stan lee wrote, "bears no malice towards any living being" and if he's driven from a world he wishes to consume, he doesn't indignantly insist on punishing those who prevent him from doing his cosmic work. Instead he simply ups and leaves and goes to another planet. What character in all of comics just turns around and goes somewhere else when resisted?
They're not at all similar in their intentions, nor their actions.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
He can't, he only destroyed Galaxies when he and Galactus were locked in a pitched battle. Casual is scratching your ass, what Tyrant did was the equivalent of a normal man benching 300 lbs, not casual at all.
if only one Galaxy was destroyed sure, but not when MULTIPLE were destroyed.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Yes but nowhere was it "casual" by any means or even under his own power, it was the crossfire of him and Galactus, emphasis on Galactus.
When he was near Galactus level, and their battle destroyed entire galaxies and they were evenly matched the whole time AND Galactus has shown the ability to easily teleport an entire galaxy through space and time with just a thought...what does that tell u?
Originally posted by galactusischere
When he was near Galactus level, and their battle destroyed entire galaxies and they were evenly matched the whole time AND Galactus has shown the ability to easily teleport an entire galaxy through space and time with just a thought...what does that tell u?
Originally posted by galactusischere
there is no diffrence?
Thor has teleported other people, but has he teleported and ENTIRE GALAXY?
Originally posted by Tenebrous
Disagree very strongly with your reasoning.While Imperiex and Galactus and self-aggrandizing beings it is truly Imperiex who is the more arrogant and malicious.
Now obviously the example I am about to give is a bit extreme but the general principal is within the same parameters.
3rd Reich believed it was the reign of the "pure superior race." They saw one race in particular as a blight on the perfection of mankind and took steps to cleanse what they saw as a major imperfection.
some people in hitler's inner circle who were in strong conviction about the perfect german race etc. were so resolute in their stance that they saw "no malice" in their actions.furthermore, the mere notion that Imperiex believes himself to be the only one capable of rectifying a universal imperfection, no matter what it takes, is rife with malicious intent, even if the ends are noble.
History, comics, fiction, etc. are full of characters who say "i am the only one who can do x for the greater good. And i will see it done to the very last"
That is the very archetype of the "noble villain"
Your example of flies in the kitchen is also flawed...unless it was ever explained in OWAW that the DCU was Imperiex's sole property and that he was restoring its purity. You own your kitchen (or if you do not, you are its primary user). You can drive flies out because you don't like flies in general, or you do not want them transferring bacteria to your food, etc.
the DCU is not Imperiex's to decide when to eliminate or recreate. he is not its primary resident, and he sure as hell doesn't own it. Instead he took on a sanctimonious goal of purify space he *shares* with billions of inhabitants, effectively robbing every sentient being of their free-will of choice or say-so on the matter. how is that not malicious?
Contrast this to Galactus. Unlike Imperiex, his actions truly have no malice because his purpose and function were clearly ordained from the onset.
Galactus is intrinsic to the MU...Imperiex is the complete opposite...he is the IMPERFECTION of the DCU.
Whereas imperiex has and agenda of "i will do what i see is necessary to purify the universe, no matter what opposition i come across"
Galactus simply performs a repetitive task for billions of years which is necessary for the normal continuity of the MU. In fact he stated multiple times in Annihilation that his primary desire is to maintain the consonance of the cosmos.
I don't see at all how Imperiex's goal of "purifying the universe" is "just as evil" as Galactus' goal of letting life in the universe continue as its trillions of inhabitants know it.
Heroes and villains united against Imperiex because he threatened the unviersal way of life. Heroes unite against Galactus because they dont want their world consumed. Galactus, as stan lee wrote, "bears no malice towards any living being" and if he's driven from a world he wishes to consume, he doesn't indignantly insist on punishing those who prevent him from doing his cosmic work. Instead he simply ups and leaves and goes to another planet. What character in all of comics just turns around and goes somewhere else when resisted?
They're not at all similar in their intentions, nor their actions.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
You have excellent points (barring the invocation of Godwin's Law) especially regarding the fact that Imperiex was indeed an Imperfection. But no one said Galactus was evil, just that Imperiex wasn't by nature evil either. He's not bound by mortal morality and he's a force of nature just like Galactus. They're both about as evil as a Hurricane.
omega's reply is good enough for me.