Originally posted by Omega Vision
Teleportation seems to be a passive power that doesn't take much energy when compared to things like energy blasts.
Let me get this straight, you think that powerlevel has nothing to do with teleporting only the amount of understanding of the Item you are about to teleport plays a part?
That I can't agree on, just because Silver Surfer can teleport himself and comprehend a Planet, it doesn't equal that he can teleport a planet.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Let me get this straight, you think that powerlevel has nothing to do with teleporting only the amount of understanding of the Item you are about to teleport plays a part?That I can't agree on, just because Silver Surfer can teleport himself and comprehend a Planet, it doesn't equal that he can teleport a planet.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
What I mean to say is that there aren't clear levels of teleportation and if Galactus can tp a Galaxy it seems less a power feat and more a feat of Galactus's ability to mentally shunt such a large and complex thing across space.
I think the main point of Galactusischere was to make a comparison between teleporting a Galaxy and destroying one, From my point of view teleporting a object, in accordance with Marvels definition
transport by dematerializing at one point or place and assembling at another point or place.
Edit: forget link, sorry http://marvel.com/universe/Glossary:T
is at the least a feat fully comparable to destroying a Galaxy, because you have to break apart each item in the galaxy in question at the same time, teleporting it at the same time and reassemble it at the same time. Maybe I'm laying more into the words then fair is, but that is the way I see it.
Originally posted by Utrigita👆
I think the main point of Galactusischere was to make a comparison between teleporting a Galaxy and destroying one, From my point of view teleporting a object, in accordance with Marvels definitionEdit: forget link, sorry http://marvel.com/universe/Glossary:T
is at the least a feat fully comparable to destroying a Galaxy, because you have to break apart each item in the galaxy in question at the same time, teleporting it at the same time and reassemble it at the same time. Maybe I'm laying more into the words then fair is, but that is the way I see it.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
What I mean to say is that there aren't clear levels of teleportation and if Galactus can tp a Galaxy it seems less a power feat and more a feat of Galactus's ability to mentally shunt such a large and complex thing across space.
Originally posted by Utrigita
I think the main point of Galactusischere was to make a comparison between teleporting a Galaxy and destroying one, From my point of view teleporting a object, in accordance with Marvels definitionEdit: forget link, sorry http://marvel.com/universe/Glossary:T
is at the least a feat fully comparable to destroying a Galaxy, because you have to break apart each item in the galaxy in question at the same time, teleporting it at the same time and reassemble it at the same time. Maybe I'm laying more into the words then fair is, but that is the way I see it.
I kind of agree with both of you here. In both instances (destruction, teleportation) you exert enough energy such that at some stage, the galaxy is no longer where it used to be in both scenarios.
On the one hand you forcibly rupture the natural environment, on the other you disassemble.
I suppose it's like trying to destroy a brick wall using a large object or tool (wrecking ball), vs. removing the wall in its entirety by breaking the mortar in between and removing it brick by brick, and then setting it up somewhere else (using a much more precise and systematic method than wrecking ball). However in this case, the a galaxy is the brick wall, and the atoms are bricks.
I don't remember my college physics too well but there should be some relation between work, power, and energy somewhere in there.
In any event though...teleporting an entire galaxy is almost an incomprehensible feat...
a human being of average weight is comprised of a total of 7.0 X 10^27 atoms...that's a 7 with 27 ZEROS after it. multiply that number by 6 billion and you get 42.0 X 10^36 atoms for people alone. Then factor in x amount of atoms for man-made structures such as homes and cars and skyscrapers etc, natural forests and various animals and insects, the oceans, which contain most of the life on earth, the continents themselves, the atmosphere, etc. etc. and you have some incomprehensibly large number.
2. Then include the planets, which are multiples of times larger than earth. Include the kepler belt and all the moons, asteroids comets whatever.
3. Take the result of #1 and multiply it by 1 million, since 1 million earths can fit inside the sun
4. after some amount of calculation you have the number of atoms in our solar system. Some wildly large number.
5. There are billions of solar systems in a galaxy. So whatever number from #4 multiplied by something in excess of 50 billion
Those are all the atoms Galactus will have...stored somewhere...after he breaks down every single molecular structure in a galaxy down to atoms, recall the exact physical arrangement of all those atoms, then reconstitute them in every exacting detail. It's pretty incredible if you think about it...and requires much more precision and skill than destroying a galaxy...though as to say which one requires more exertion of energy/power...i dont know.
Originally posted by Tenebrous
I kind of agree with both of you here. In both instances (destruction, teleportation) you exert enough energy such that at some stage, the galaxy is no longer where it used to be in both scenarios.On the one hand you forcibly rupture the natural environment, on the other you disassemble.
I suppose it's like trying to destroy a brick wall using a large object or tool (wrecking ball), vs. removing the wall in its entirety by breaking the mortar in between and removing it brick by brick, and then setting it up somewhere else (using a much more precise and systematic method than wrecking ball). However in this case, the a galaxy is the brick wall, and the atoms are bricks.
I don't remember my college physics too well but there should be some relation between work, power, and energy somewhere in there.
In any event though...teleporting an entire galaxy is almost an incomprehensible feat...
a human being of average weight is comprised of a total of 7.0 X 10^27 atoms...that's a 7 with 27 ZEROS after it. multiply that number by 6 billion and you get 42.0 X 10^36 atoms for people alone. Then factor in x amount of atoms for man-made structures such as homes and cars and skyscrapers etc, natural forests and various animals and insects, the oceans, which contain most of the life on earth, the continents themselves, the atmosphere, etc. etc. and you have some incomprehensibly large number.
2. Then include the planets, which are multiples of times larger than earth. Include the kepler belt and all the moons, asteroids comets whatever.
3. Take the result of #1 and multiply it by 1 million, since 1 million earths can fit inside the sun
4. after some amount of calculation you have the number of atoms in our solar system. Some wildly large number.
5. There are billions of solar systems in a galaxy. So whatever number from #4 multiplied by something in excess of 50 billion
Those are all the atoms Galactus will have...stored somewhere...after he breaks down every single molecular structure in a galaxy down to atoms, recall the exact physical arrangement of all those atoms, then reconstitute them in every exacting detail. It's pretty incredible if you think about it...and requires much more precision and skill than destroying a galaxy...though as to say which one requires more exertion of energy/power...i dont know.
Actually, this type of question intrigues me. I'm watching "The Universe" on history channel right now and while I know this is comics, in terms of the question "which requires more energy, teleporting a galaxy or destroying it" it appears to be the former.
The episode just discussed how teleporting would actually work in real life.
Earlier I mentioned that a human being who weighs around 150 pounds has 7 X 10^27 atoms that make up him or her. Now according to this episode of "The Universe" that I am watching, in order to transport 1 person you must have a tremendous amount of energy. that amount of energy is vast...you apparently need 41 times the power of the largest yield nuclear weapon on earth. Therefore, to transport one person, the energy required for such a task is 41 nuclear warheads of the largest yield. That's certainly a lot of destructive power required to move just 1 person. Multiplied by 6 billion, then the earth, the solar system, billions of solar systems...that's a lot of nuclear warheads' worth of energy required.
Originally posted by TenebrousI don't think the writers consider that really.
Actually, this type of question intrigues me. I'm watching "The Universe" on history channel right now and while I know this is comics, in terms of the question "which requires more energy, teleporting a galaxy or destroying it" it appears to be the former.The episode just discussed how teleporting would actually work in real life.
Earlier I mentioned that a human being who weighs around 150 pounds has 7 X 10^27 atoms that make up him or her. Now according to this episode of "The Universe" that I am watching, in order to transport 1 person you must have a tremendous amount of energy. that amount of energy is vast...you apparently need 41 times the power of the largest yield nuclear weapon on earth. Therefore, to transport one person, the energy required for such a task is 41 nuclear warheads of the largest yield. That's certainly a lot of destructive power required to move just 1 person. Multiplied by 6 billion, then the earth, the solar system, billions of solar systems...that's a lot of nuclear warheads' worth of energy required.
They teleported a planet with a zeta beam. lol.
Speaking of that energy required though, how much energy was required in COIE when Monitor teleported 5 universes?
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Going by sci fi scale: a million exploding suns! 😂
Realistically more energy than exists in all those Universes put together.
yes that's probably the answer. I mean in comics it's all well and good but for me personally that's always been part of the draw of reading cosmic characters. When you actually sit back and take in that "suspension of disbelief" and say ok what if there's really something like Imperiex or something like Galactus roaming somewhere, and suppose they do the type of shit they do...how does one really comprehend that? In comics these types of feats are as ubiquitous as pigeons on the street so it takes away from it somewhat, but sitting back and just putting some rational thought into "ok how exactly would a real life Galactus do that" or "what would a real Eternity be like" is just incomprehensible...which I believe was the original intent by the creators for all these cosmic characters.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
You have excellent points (barring the invocation of Godwin's Law) especially regarding the fact that Imperiex was indeed an Imperfection. But no one said Galactus was evil, just that Imperiex wasn't by nature evil either. He's not bound by mortal morality and he's a force of nature just like Galactus. They're both about as evil as a Hurricane.
Glactus fills a funtional need of the MU. Without him order is lost and ****ing abaxes comes and ruins everything.
Imperix, thinks he is doing a function but not really. He has no purpose but his own. Without him the DCU can go on just fine. Imperiex just imposes his will because he thinks he has a better idea of what the DCU should be. Very different from what Galactus intent/purpose.
Originally posted by Tenebrous
yes that's probably the answer. I mean in comics it's all well and good but for me personally that's always been part of the draw of reading cosmic characters. When you actually sit back and take in that "suspension of disbelief" and say ok what if there's really something like Imperiex or something like Galactus roaming somewhere, and suppose they do the type of shit they do...how does one really comprehend that? In comics these types of feats are as ubiquitous as pigeons on the street so it takes away from it somewhat, but sitting back and just putting some rational thought into "ok how exactly would a real life Galactus do that" or "what would a real Eternity be like" is just incomprehensible...which I believe was the original intent by the creators for all these cosmic characters.
if there was a real imperiex or Galactus. we would be soo ****ing boned... Hell who knows maybe he does exist and only comes every couple of billions of years and wipes everything out.