Silver Surfer and Hal Jordan vs. Thor and Superman

Originally posted by Naija boy
All the characters here will have similar levels of combat effectiveness as they all will be utilizing their abilities to the fullest. Then given similar levels of combat effectiveness and "power", versatility will certainly make a difference.

Character "X" having 10 different ways of smashing an object as opposed to character "Y" having 1 way of doing it doesn't mean that character X has the advantage. Especially considering the fact that character Y's way of doing it is just as efficient as anything character X can do.

Versatility isn't the deciding factor here.

Originally posted by batdude123
And I'm saying Superman's "lack of versatility" is never really an issue because he's consistently portrayed as the most combat effective hero out there.

But my understanding is, in the forum, we grant that any character will use his/her powerset to fullest potential. So given what Superman can do with his (closed) powerset, imagine what the other three could accomplish with their open powersets. As is, they often have to be dumbed down so writers can consistently (more/less) fashion effective stories.

Originally posted by batdude123
Character "X" having 10 different ways of smashing an object as opposed to character "Y" having 1 way of doing it doesn't mean that character X has the advantage. Especially considering the fact that character Y's way of doing it is just as efficient as anything character X can do.

Versatility isn't the deciding factor here.

To take ur use of character X and Y but put it in a different light,
Characters Xs versatility gives him defensive options that character Y doesnt have( forcefields and such in addition to durability). Not only that, but character X versatility also gives him ways to take out the character Y without forcefully smashing it (energy absorption as opposed to blasts) or at least soften the object up and make it easier to smash. This is considerably more efficient than character Ys method of simply attempting to smash character X who in addition to being extremely durable has extra defences.

Hence versatility is a big advantage in this scenario.

Team 2 for the stomp. Hals the weak link!

Originally posted by Mindship
In comics, I agree. Superman makes excellent use of his powerset, typically better than, say, Thor, who tends to do a lot of brawling and pummeling, or Surfer, who zips about blasting.

But my understanding is, in the forum, we grant that any character will use his/her powerset to fullest potential. So given what Superman can do with his (closed) powerset, imagine what the other three could accomplish with their open powersets. As is, they often have to be dumbed down so writers can consistently (more/less) fashion effective stories.

Thing is though, Superman, while having a relatively closed power set, is still just as effective as them in battle related scenarios.

More options don't = more wins.

Originally posted by Naija boy
To take ur use of character X and Y but put it in a different light,
Characters Xs versatility gives him defensive options that character Y doesnt have( forcefields and such in addition to durability). Not only that, but character X versatility also gives him ways to take out the character Y without forcefully smashing it (energy absorption as opposed to blasts) or at least soften the object up and make it easier to smash. This is considerably more efficient than character Y simply attempting to smash character X who in addition to being extremely durable has extra defences.

Hence versatility is a big advantage in this scenario.

Which translates into "I have to do 'this,' and then 'this,' and then 'this,' etc. in order to accomplish my task." Whereas character Y just does it.

Team 1.

Originally posted by batdude123
More options don't = more wins.

Lol.

What does versatility matter when, apparently, Surfer is so much more powerful than Superman that he just blasts him and 1 shots him or punches him and he explodes.

Originally posted by batdude123

Which translates into "I have to do 'this,' and then 'this,' and then 'this,' etc. in order to accomplish my task." Whereas character Y just does it.

Not really. It actually makes his task alot easier and his opponents task alot harder. Its actually like "I can do this to accomplish my task or combine this and this and accomplish my task in half the time while making ur task twice as hard"

Character "Y" just does it using his one way but it will take far longer to take down X than vice versa because of Xs versatility.

Agreed ^

I cant believe that people are actually saying that superman is as powerful as a guy that blowed up a planet just by powering up and destroyed a universe.

Originally posted by carver9
I cant believe that people are actually saying that superman is as powerful as a guy that blowed up a planet just by powering up and destroyed a universe.

Failol.

Originally posted by carver9
I cant believe that people are actually saying that superman is as powerful as a guy that blowed up a planet just by powering up and destroyed a universe.

facepalm

How Hal, who rely on a set charge, can be as powerful as the rest of these 3, makes no sense to me. There's a guy who's known and fought alongside him for 20 years or so, and there's a god with insane absorbing abilities.

In fact, the ring's limits seems to be just a big a weakness for Hal, as the kryptonite thing for Superman.

Originally posted by Spire
Failol.

I did fail on that post, not universe but galaxy. He also consumed an entire sun. Took punches from tenebris and aegis. Physically dominated abraxas. Followed a beam of light that was going light speed to its destination. Hell, the list goes on; Silver surfer and Thor is the most powerful, next is Superman, than Orion.

Originally posted by Spire
Surfer [...]punches him and he explodes.

Wut.

team 1..
Surfer > Thor
Hal > Supes

Team 2

Team 1.

Split.....

No exploting weakness makes this much more closer of a fight.

However I do want to say T1 wins because Thor doesnt have Odinforce anymore and we havent see him in action for the last few issues. I want to see Hal beat Supes but will prob loose.