Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
He's a frigging autobot, man, they all showed incredible fighting skills. He's too fast for BB to track with his guns, and if it goes CQC, his blades pwn.
-BB's an autobot too, so that's a wash.
-No, not all of them showed "incredible fighting skills", this is a fact. eg SS only showed he was about to get in front of a Decep and lower his blade.
-Only speed on screen we saw of SS was his rate of movement while traveling, another fact. BB didn't appear all that behind in travelling speed in his scenes.
-Saying "BB can't track him" is 100% bullshit and completely baseless, as fact.
-Saying "his blades pwn" is arguable; considering we know how good BB is at fighting from a distance, up close and against multiple opponents.
Add all that up, BB wins this, due to far superior onscreen fighting feats. Be a man.
"They've all shown incredible fighting skills.".
Hahahahahahaha.
Like what? Skating and then throwing a blade down? The rest of Sideswipe's movie showings was him hiding behind a wall at a distance, firing his weapon at the generic, skeletal Decepticons in the desert. If he were that much of a fast, blade-using badass, he would have dismantled them himself, but he didn't get anywhere near the fight. Do you know who did?
Guess who was in the middle of it fighting Rampage and Ravage? One big, vicious, nimble opponent and one small, vicious, nimble opponent. Guess who won? It wasn't Sideswipe.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Is this the arrangement you two have?You protect him by arguing for him, then he can just come in and say he agrees without having to produce his own argument?
Well, that may be rhetorical since RJ seems to believe you, and I quote "step up to bat" for him. Do me an honest favour and let him argue his own battles, k? Let him fight his own battles, Dudemon. He feels like you bat for him because you are a good friend, you have described him as pathetically naive.
RJ was right, it seems. One of you says you disagree on a lot, one of you says the opposite.
On that note, I'm not sure what the deal is with you two, but I would like it if you let him address his own points for once. Any time I debate with the guy, you stand in front of him and start wrapping him in cotton wool. Any time ANYONE does, actually.
Is that what it is? You spend so much time saying that RJ can handle himself, that you don't let him do it because you know you're wrong? I'm asking you civilly, just let him reply to his own debates. Stop replying for the guy.
Hey.
Just stop trolling for once and actually try to be civil. Is it REALLY that difficult for you?
What is wrong with you? There is something seriously wrong with you, bro.
And, yes, RJ can, at times, be pathetically naive. Bitches take advantage of my homie and he just tries to bend over backwards. That's just a fault of him being waaaaay too nice.
That has NOTHING to do with MY perspective on the topic.
Yeah, just disregard the threads where we argued for pages and pages.
Could you, I dunno, stop being a troll for just a bit? It's hit and miss with you. Sometimes, I can have a good conversation with you without you getting emotional and turning it into a shit slinging fest.
So, prove that I'm always there to backup RJ. ALWAYS, or even a majority of the time. You'll just have to search all of his recent posts and check to see if I "step up" for RJ.
Go ahead, prove it.
By the way, your post will be reported as trolling because you damn well know that most of your post is a massive bait/troll post that it horribly off topic and has nothing to do with my on topic post.
This is a thread that has people posting in it. Some people post their opinions in it. I posted my opinion to your opinion (which is irrelevant of RJ's posts and opinions). My opinion was civil. You should have learned by now, with all of your warnings and bans, to keep on topic and not turn things into personal attacks and ***** fests. It is astounding that you still haven't learned that.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Anyway. based on what, do you say that Swipe is faster?
Screen feats. Did you watch the same thing I did?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You and RJ are just deciding Swipe would win because you want him to. I like Sideswipe more than Bumblebee, but that doesn't mean he'd win. All available signs suggest he wouldn't, and your only counter is "He would, he's faster and his blades would win him the fight.".Sorry, but you've got nothing.
I decided SS would win based on how swiftly easily he moves about (which is superior to BB) and how easily his blade cut through a transformer. He's faster, more agile, and his blade is obviously a much better offensive weapon than BB's arm canons.
If I had my choice, in a Mech Warrior type game, between BB's arm canons and SS's arm blades/back canon, I'd obviously choose SS. However, there's something else here that makes the choice much much easier: SS is much more agile and he's significantly faster. It's actually a no brainer to determine that SS has the better offensive character. He would make a scrap pile of BB in mere seconds, as I said earlier.
Now, we can talk about defensive capability of each character. Shall we take it there?
Also, I highly recommend you keep the conversation more civil. There's not reason to change a civil conversation about fictional characters into a b****ing match that does nothing but lower the quality and intelligence of the discussion.
In regards to "SS is faster", which keeps popping up as some legitimate reason why he's win:
Originally posted by Robtard
Only speed on screen we saw of SS was his rate of movement while traveling, another fact. BB didn't appear all that behind in traveling speed in his scenes.
So he can [maybe] move faster, in car form, BB showed every bit as much speed, though. So that's arguable. I'd guess SS could travel faster in robot-form, due to him having wheels for feat.
But this in no way equates to 'SS has faster fighting speed'; in fact, the movie proves otherwise. With BB being all ninja-matic in the desert.
Originally posted by Robtard
In regards to "SS is faster", which keeps popping up as some legitimate reason why he's win:So he can [maybe] move faster, in car form, BB showed every bit as much speed, though. So that's arguable. I'd guess SS could travel faster in robot-form, due to him having wheels for feat.
But this in no way equates to 'SS has faster fighting speed'; in fact, the movie proves otherwise. With BB being all ninja-matic in the desert.
SS not only moves faster, but his fighting ability is faster.
WHAT fighting ability?
Seriously? He skated about, threw a blade once and then wasn't seen again. When did he fight? When did he have a legitimate fight with another Decepticon?
No, I don't want "Based on his one scene.". When did he have an actual fight?
Originally posted by dadudemon
Hey.Just stop trolling for once and actually try to be civil. Is it REALLY that difficult for you?
What is wrong with you? There is something seriously wrong with you, bro.
And, yes, RJ can, at times, be pathetically naive. Bitches take advantage of my homie and he just tries to bend over backwards. That's just a fault of him being waaaaay too nice.
That has NOTHING to do with MY perspective on the topic.
Yeah, just disregard the threads where we argued for pages and pages.
Could you, I dunno, stop being a troll for just a bit? It's hit and miss with you. Sometimes, I can have a good conversation with you without you getting emotional and turning it into a shit slinging fest.
So, prove that I'm always there to backup RJ. ALWAYS, or even a majority of the time. You'll just have to search all of his recent posts and check to see if I "step up" for RJ.
Go ahead, prove it.
By the way, your post will be reported as trolling because you damn well know that most of your post is a massive bait/troll post that it horribly off topic and has nothing to do with my on topic post.
This is a thread that has people posting in it. Some people post their opinions in it. I posted my opinion to your opinion (which is irrelevant of RJ's posts and opinions). My opinion was civil. You should have learned by now, with all of your warnings and bans, to keep on topic and not turn things into personal attacks and ***** fests. It is astounding that you still haven't learned that.
I civilly asked you to stop diving in front when anyone, particularly me, debates with the man. Why can't you do that? That's all I asked. You literally cannot seem to do anything to help yourself about it.
Prove it? In the same breath that you're telling me to move on because this isn't the thread, you ask me to continue it? RJ told me you do, that's all I need. Look, you'll either leave him to defend his own arguments or you won't, all I asked is that you do. I didn't attack anybody.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Screen feats. Did you watch the same thing I did?
I watched him skate a bit and then disappear until he re-appeared, hiding behind a wall firing his gun. What about this suggests he is going to win the fight?
Originally posted by dadudemon
I decided SS would win based on how swiftly easily he moves about (which is superior to BB)
When? The one scene where he skates a bit? Seriously?
Originally posted by dadudemon
and how easily his blade cut through a transformer. He's faster, more agile, and his blade is obviously a much better offensive weapon than BB's arm canons.
How are you deciding he's more agile and faster? Again, you say screen feats but all I can see is him skating.
Funny, you'll say he wins this fight because he was a bit nimble on his feet, yet you ignore the multiple times Bumblebee has fought and beat Decepticons in a fight. Something Sideswipe has never done.
Originally posted by dadudemon
If I had my choice, in a Mech Warrior type game, between BB's arm canons and SS's arm blades/back canon, I'd obviously choose SS. However, there's something else here that makes the choice much much easier: SS is much more agile and he's significantly faster. It's actually a no brainer to determine that SS has the better offensive character. He would make a scrap pile of BB in mere seconds, as I said earlier.
Stop telling me "He's more agile and faster.". Prove it.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Now, we can talk about defensive capability of each character. Shall we take it there?
How can we? Sideswipe was never in a fight, he never had to show any defensive capability, and yet you're sitting there saying he'd beat an Autobot who has triumphed over multiple enemies in hand to hand combat.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Also, I highly recommend you keep the conversation more civil. There's not reason to change a civil conversation about fictional characters into a b****ing match that does nothing but lower the quality and intelligence of the discussion.
I did say this:
"I'm asking you civilly, just let him reply to his own debates. Stop replying for the guy.".
If you can't do that, I fail to see how you are reporting me for calling you on it. I asked you, civilly, to stop rabidly defending him because of the same reason you want me to stop calling you on it. It's tiresome.
Any time anyone replies to RJ we have to automatically assume we're going to debate with you also. This is the impression you give off, man. I'm saying this civilly. I'm not attacking you.
-AC
Originally posted by dadudemon
SS not only moves faster, but his fighting ability is faster.
I'll concede the "moving faster while in robot form". But what do you base the "faster fighting ability" on, which screen feat, as he had none that would dictate this?
While BB's fighting speed in terms of jump kicking, punching, side-step kicking, grappling/tossing and shooting is to be seen.
You know, all the BB backers are saying he is really uber at H2H, but who has he fought that was that impressive? I watched the film again, he only has one H2H fight scene and that was near the end. There was nothing to suggest his opponent was good. He won that one fight and then ripped Ravage's spine out.
That makes him the god of H2H? 😕
Originally posted by Placidity
You know, all the BB backers are saying he is really uber at H2H, but who has he fought that was that impressive? I watched the film again, he only has one H2H fight scene and that was near the end. There was nothing to suggest his opponent was good. He won that one fight and then ripped Ravage's spine out.That makes him the god of H2H? 😕
The bulldozer was much larger than he was and his fighting skill was impressive, the combos he dished out, while dodging attackes.
Not how it went down, dude. BB ripped apart the cat in the middle of fighting the dozer, it wasn't after. He fought two opponents at the same time and defeated both of them, with minimal damage.
What makes SS good at H2H?
Originally posted by Placidity
You know, all the BB backers are saying he is really uber at H2H, but who has he fought that was that impressive? I watched the film again, he only has one H2H fight scene and that was near the end. There was nothing to suggest his opponent was good. He won that one fight and then ripped Ravage's spine out.That makes him the god of H2H? 😕
Ravage was attacking him, Rampage was attacking him.
He's exhibited martial arts kicking ability, he displayed throws against Barricade.
Nobody's saying he's god of hand to hand, but compared to Sideswipe's movie feats, he is.
We have to go by what's seen, those are the rules, and if you feel that Sideswipe would win based on his one part, then you're being silly.
Like I said, and was ignored; if he was so slick, so fast and so lethal with his blades, why was he hiding behind a wall when firing at those generic, skeletal Decepticons from a distance? He could have just gone in there and turned them to coleslaw if he's what people say.
-AC
Originally posted by Robtard
I'll concede the "moving faster while in robot form".
Cool.
Then I'll give you that BB is the better brawler, not H2H fighter.
Originally posted by Robtard
But what do you base the "faster fighting ability" on, which screen feat, as he had none that would dictate this?While BB's fighting speed in terms of jump kicking, punching, side-step kicking, grappling/tossing and shooting is to be seen.
His only screen feat. His "h2h" was faster and more suave than BB's h2h feats.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Cool.Then I'll give you that BB is the better brawler, not H2H fighter.
His only screen feat. His "h2h" was faster and more suave than BB's h2h feats.
Brawling is hand to hand fighting.
It doesn't matter if I have all the hand to hand skill in the world, if I fight a man who can simply overpower me by brawling then I'm not going to win.
Also, is that seriously it? You're judging his "hand to hand" ability by something he did that wasn't even hand to hand? "Suave" isn't doing to win the fight. It's a fight, not ballet.
Bumblebee has fought and beat people with martial arts. Sideswipe hasn't come close. Still, you haven't answered my question; if he's that good of a fighter, why didn't he get involved in the desert?
-AC