Sideswipe versus Bumblebee.....

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No.

Actually, to me, it's what you said before, "If you see symbolism in something, then that's up to you."

It's up to the individual to determine what is symbolic to them, even if it's not in accord with the traditional definition of the word.

Symbolism in film has specific intent. It isn't meant to be up for different interpretation.

The perfect example is The Matrix and the symbolism it contains, particularly with names.

Neo (New) Thomas Anderson (Anderson meaning "son of man" which is a reference to Jesus) Hence ew son of man or new Jesus (which is what Neo's character is supposed to represent...The saviour of mankind.

Morpheus: Greek God of dreams (something that, if you pay attention to the dialogue, has huge significance for Morpheus) His ship is also the Nebucchanezzer who was a King in the bible who was plagued by bad dreams.

All the car number plates in the chase scene in reloaded are symbolic

DE2852(the twins car)

Bible: Deutronomy 28:52
"They shall besiege you in all your towns, until your high and fortified walls, in which you trusted, come down throughout all your land. And they shall besiege you in all your towns throughout all your land, which the Lord, your God, has given you."

DA203 (Trinity and Morpheus' car)

Bible: Daniel 2:03
"I have had a dream that troubles me and I want to know what it means."

IS5416 (Agent Smith's car, when he brings his earplug to give to Neo)

Isaiah 54:16

Behold, I Myself have created the smith who blows the fire of coals
And brings out a weapon for its work;
And I have created the destroyer to ruin.

There's tons more and they were all deliberately put in. They're not open to interpretation. They are specific symbols.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/symbolism

: the art or practice of using symbols especially by investing things with a symbolic meaning or by expressing the invisible or intangible by means of visible or sensuous representations: as a : artistic imitation or invention that is a method of revealing or suggesting immaterial, ideal, or otherwise intangible truth or state

Yeah, they are symbolic. I think we already talked about this.

Yes, investing things with a symbolic meaning.

If someone, the creator, does not invest that with symbolic meaning, then there is none. His word is greater than yours over the characters in discussion.

-AC

OK, you convinced me.

Fair play to you, sir.

-AC

I still find it funny that Ratchet was the medical officer, and he transformed into an EMS truck.

I found it funny that Joker set fire to a fire truck.

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Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
How do you stealthily have a brutal fight with two Decepticons?

-AC

Yea, way to twist the meaning of my post.

Cbs

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Brawling is hand to hand fighting.

Correct.

But, I'll leave it up to you to figure out what I meant by it. (Which, you obviously missed. It's also possible your didn't miss what I was saying and you are arguing word semantics in the hopes that I wouldn't notice or in hopes of making a point that seems superficially correct so that others will agree with you. It won't happen since I am clearly pointing out what you missed.)

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It doesn't matter if I have all the hand to hand skill in the world, if I fight a man who can simply overpower me by brawling then I'm not going to win.

Also, is that seriously it? You're judging his "hand to hand" ability by something he did that wasn't even hand to hand? "Suave" isn't doing to win the fight. It's a fight, not ballet.

Bumblebee has fought and beat people with martial arts. Sideswipe hasn't come close. Still, you haven't answered my question; if he's that good of a fighter, why didn't he get involved in the desert?

-AC

K. Get in a fight with a well-trained MMA fighter. Make sure your technique is just brawling Tell me who wins. 🙂

Originally posted by Robtard
Using martial arts kicks, grappling and tosses isn't really just "brawling", like a wild untrained fighter.

AC, take note of how to properly respond. This is it. You can't just use a strawman argument everytime you reply and hope it works.

To address your point, Robtard, I agree that BB showed skill. But he was more of a brawler than a "trained fighter." SS was most certainly not a brawler.

Originally posted by Robtard
That wasn't really fighting skil, he positioned himself in front of a fleeing car and lowered his blade.

It was fighting skill. If BB had that kind of skill, taking out those other decepticons would have been quite quite and painless.

I would put fighting ability in this order:

1. Optimus Prime (unrestricted like he was in the woods.)
2. Sideswipe.
3. Megatron.
4. BumbleBee.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I would put fighting ability in this order:
1. Optimus Prime (unrestricted like he was in the woods.)
2. Sideswipe.
3. Megatron.
4. BumbleBee.

What has Megatron done to put him so high. He uses brute force and size to pound enemies. Optimus and Bumblebee have fought multiple opponents while being the smaller of the combatants in there battles. Sideswipe has done nothing to make this thread as long as it's become.

H2H Rankings - My Opinion Of Course
1.Optimus Prime
2.Bumblebee

Optimus wrecked Megatron when he went all out in H2H combat in the forest before Starscream and Grindor intervened. Ratchet and Ironhide are skilled but I'm not going bother ranking them. Prime and Bee are the only ones who showed truly notable skill in up close combat.

Bumblebee has better weapons and is the more skilled H2H fighter. I ask for the fourth time, why is this thread still going strong?

Originally posted by Darth Martin
What has Megatron done to put him so high. He uses brute force and size to pound enemies. Optimus and Bumblebee have fought multiple opponents while being the smaller of the combatants in there battles. Sideswipe has done nothing to make this thread as long as it's become.

[B]H2H Rankings - My Opinion Of Course
1.Optimus Prime
2.Bumblebee

Optimus wrecked Megatron when he went all out in H2H combat in the forest before Starscream and Grindor intervened. Ratchet and Ironhide are skilled but I'm not going bother ranking them. Prime and Bee are the only ones who showed truly notable skill in up close combat.

Bumblebee has better weapons and is the more skilled H2H fighter. I ask for the fourth time, why is this thread still going strong? [/B]

I agree.

I shouldn't have ranked Megatron so high. It's just that, he made the other Autobots look like chumps in the first film.

So, here is a revised list, based on DarthM's recs.

1. Optimus Prime.
2. Sideswipe.
3. BumbleBee
4. Barricade. (Cause Barricade held his own, quite well, against BumbleBee.)

The reason Megatron made the Autobots looked like chumps is because they were no match for him. There most powerful member's weapon only moved him. I think Prime was holding back.

As a group: Decepticons>>>Autobots. Fact.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
The reason Megatron made the Autobots looked like chumps is because they were no match for him. There most powerful member's weapon only moved him. I think Prime was holding back.

Yes. Optimus was holding waaaaay back. He was holding Sam/Protecting him, AND trying to avoid killing all of the humans around. The fact that Optimus refused to lower his morals for the greater good speaks volumes of how "purely righeous" Optimus Prime is. He would rather they all die than to even kill one human, deliberately, to stop Megatron. (Despite it possibly saving more lives, in the end.) Ozymandias would have several arguments with Optimus. LOL!

Originally posted by Darth Martin
As a group: Decepticons>>>Autobots. Fact.

Really? Maybe in numbers...but not overall.

Wait, I think you're right. They have to use the petty humans and their petty weapons to even the odds.

Originally posted by dadudemon
To address your point, Robtard, I agree that BB showed skill. But he was more of a brawler than a "trained fighter." SS was most certainly not a brawler.

It was fighting skill. If BB had that kind of skill, taking out those other decepticons would have been quite quite and painless.

I would put fighting ability in this order:

1. Optimus Prime (unrestricted like he was in the woods.)
2. Sideswipe.
3. Megatron.
4. BumbleBee.

SS killed a guy who was fleeing, using his own momentum against him. Which was clever, I'll give him that.

BB killed multiples who were actively trying their best to wreck him. This is far above SS's one move. Applying the "movie-feats" rule and not just what looked fancier.

SS is below Megatron; in fact, he's below most others who actually showed some skill fighting/killing actual opponents, not fleeing victims.

All of this talk, Dudemon, and you still haven't given any good reason as to why you rate Sideswipe's ability so high.

We all saw the same movie and you seem to have seen him do lots of fighting. He didn't. You are just guessing.

Robtard isn't saying anything that I'm not.

-AC

because rj is under attack mmm

I am? haermm

By the words in your own posts. 😛

Dude whatever.