Sideswipe versus Bumblebee.....

Originally posted by Robtard
It was sweet, yet that same attack isn't going to cut BB in half, like you imagine. You're merely going by the dazzle-effect.

In that scene, Sidewipe jumps over a speeding Sideways, he throws his blade and sticks it into SW's hood, as he completes his jump-flip, he grabs the blalde, rams it into the ground and uses SW's own speed and momentum to cut him in half; that was the key to SS cutting SW in twain. Had SW hit the breaks, there would have been no cutting.

So like I said, BB taking out Devastator who was about three times his size using a combo of punches, knees, kicks, body-throws and guns (ala McClane) shows he is by far the better fighter. Skinning the cat in the middle of that fight just adds to BB's bad-assery.

Edit: To Sadako's point, SS is spindlely; more-so than BB.

Dude, Devastator was rubbish, it couldn't even handle the twins. It was a big ass fat man weezing for air. All BB did was put it out of it's misery, SS woulda killed it faster and more efficiently.

And yes, Sideswipe jumps OVER the car (MUCH higher than BB can jump, he was at least 40 feet high), THROWS his blade in the hood, lands, then bisects it. Don't bring physics into this, dont try and downplay the badassness of that feat.

SS is faster, far more agile than BB, plus he has his guns to fall back on. If it goes CQC, SS's blades will do far more damage than BB's h2h, any fool can realize that.

I gotta go with Rob on this one. The feat was badass, and I'm not downplaying it, but all he really did was jump over Sideways and dig his blade into the hood. He heated the edges, and with Sideways already going so fast, he just sliced clean through.

That was really his only big feat, Bumblebee showed off a lot more skills, and in a h2h fight the blades might not be a concern. Since Optimus took it to Starscream and Megatron with both of his heat blades, Starscream kept fighting without an arm, then he put it back on later.

Bumblebee has shown to be a better fighter, and once that battlemask goes down he becomes a whirlwind of yellow fury.

http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Sideswipe_(ROTF)

Sideswipe is built to fight. He is sleek, fast and accomplished in battle. Focusing on his enemies with absolute attention, his blades are a shining blur as he leaps through the air, twisting to avoid enemy fire. He also has dual blasters that unfold out of his forearms and blasters on his back, which happen to be the exhast pipes when he is in car mode. Sideswipe transforms into a sweet silver Chevy Stingray. Converting to his vehicle mode to drive at blazing speeds, he uses every trick in the book to get close to his opponent, and put his powerful swords and blasters to work hacking, tearing,and firing at them. Sideswipe is not that strong, and may not have all the weapons an autobot could want, but he is one hell of a fighter!

Before joining the Autobots, Sideswipe traveled the Universe in search of other worthy transformers to battle. He learned a lot, and became one of the most skilled autobots on the team. In fact, Sideswipe has equal skill compared to Optimus Prime! Sideswipe teaches all of the other members of the Autobots all of the fighting styles and tricks he learned while traveling.

One of the few Transformers to have wheels as feet, Sideswipe is able to skate around his enemies and catch up to fleeing foes with ease.

http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Ultimate_Bumblebee

Bumblebee is one of Optimus Prime's most trusted lieutenants. Although he is not the strongest or most powerful of the Autobots, Bumblebee more than makes up for this with a bottomless well of luck, determination and bravery. He would gladly give his life to protect others and stop the Decepticons.

Badly damaged in battle, Bumblebee lost the ability to speak verbally, though he can still communicate over inter-Autobot frequencies (in a fashion that seems somewhat akin to instant messaging, a usable but more distant and less personal means of interaction).

Lemmee guess, BB's luck wins this? 🙄

And look closely at their midsections, SS is no more anorexic than BB.

Originally posted by KingD19
I gotta go with Rob on this one. The feat was badass, and I'm not downplaying it, but all he really did was jump over Sideways and dig his blade into the hood. He heated the edges, and with Sideways already going so fast, he just sliced clean through.

That was really his only big feat, Bumblebee showed off a lot more skills, and in a h2h fight the blades might not be a concern. Since Optimus took it to Starscream and Megatron with both of his heat blades, Starscream kept fighting without an arm, then he put it back on later.

Bumblebee has shown to be a better fighter, and once that battlemask goes down he becomes a whirlwind of yellow fury.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Dude, Devastator was rubbish, it couldn't even handle the twins. It was a big ass fat man weezing for air. All BB did was put it out of it's misery, SS woulda killed it faster and more efficiently.

And yes, Sideswipe jumps OVER the car (MUCH higher than BB can jump, he was at least 40 feet high), THROWS his blade in the hood, lands, then bisects it. Don't bring physics into this, dont try and downplay the badassness of that feat.

SS is faster, far more agile than BB, plus he has his guns to fall back on. If it goes CQC, SS's blades will do far more damage than BB's h2h, any fool can realize that.

I used the wrong name, he beat the Decep that was the bulldozer and the cat. Was bad-ass and showed his skill, I posted a link already.

Yea, what I said. The blade alone didn't cut SW, SS used SW's speed against him, just accept this. This same feat isn't likely happening to BB, SS won't be able to cut him into pieces with just one hit. SS's blades are metal, they're not energy blades like OP has.

SS in faster in travelling speed, fighting speed is an unknown. BB showed he is a total bad-ass in H2H, as he employs [repeat] punches, kicks, knees, tosses and guns all together perfectly. All he have of SS is one fancy move versus a decep in car form running away.

Shitty wheel feet boy looks more delicate around that section.
His onscreen 3d appearance in the movie shows that.
Speaking of on screen feats, not much of your wiki quote was onscreen featery, RJ.

Guess your not to be blamed for the devastator confusion, Robtard... even Bay screwed up, calling Brawl (the tank) Devastator in the 1st movie.
The fool didnt even correct it for the DVDS.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Sideswipe_(ROTF)

Sideswipe is built to fight. He is sleek, fast and accomplished in battle. Focusing on his enemies with absolute attention, his blades are a shining blur as he leaps through the air, twisting to avoid enemy fire. He also has dual blasters that unfold out of his forearms and blasters on his back, which happen to be the exhast pipes when he is in car mode. Sideswipe transforms into a sweet silver Chevy Stingray. Converting to his vehicle mode to drive at blazing speeds, he uses every trick in the book to get close to his opponent, and put his powerful swords and blasters to work hacking, tearing,and firing at them. Sideswipe is not that strong, and may not have all the weapons an autobot could want, but he is one hell of a fighter!

Before joining the Autobots, Sideswipe traveled the Universe in search of other worthy transformers to battle. He learned a lot, and became one of the most skilled autobots on the team. [b]In fact, Sideswipe has equal skill compared to Optimus Prime! Sideswipe teaches all of the other members of the Autobots all of the fighting styles and tricks he learned while traveling.

One of the few Transformers to have wheels as feet, Sideswipe is able to skate around his enemies and catch up to fleeing foes with ease.

http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Ultimate_Bumblebee

Bumblebee is one of Optimus Prime's most trusted lieutenants. Although he is not the strongest or most powerful of the Autobots, Bumblebee more than makes up for this with a bottomless well of luck, determination and bravery. He would gladly give his life to protect others and stop the Decepticons.

Badly damaged in battle, Bumblebee lost the ability to speak verbally, though he can still communicate over inter-Autobot frequencies (in a fashion that seems somewhat akin to instant messaging, a usable but more distant and less personal means of interaction).

Lemmee guess, BB's luck wins this? 🙄

And look closely at their midsections, SS is no more anorexic than BB. [/B]

There it is, fellas, read 'em and weep.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Sideswipe_(ROTF)

Sideswipe is built to fight. He is sleek, fast and accomplished in battle. Focusing on his enemies with absolute attention, his blades are a shining blur as he leaps through the air, twisting to avoid enemy fire. He also has dual blasters that unfold out of his forearms and blasters on his back, which happen to be the exhast pipes when he is in car mode. Sideswipe transforms into a sweet silver Chevy Stingray. Converting to his vehicle mode to drive at blazing speeds, he uses every trick in the book to get close to his opponent, and put his powerful swords and blasters to work hacking, tearing,and firing at them. Sideswipe is not that strong, and may not have all the weapons an autobot could want, but he is one hell of a fighter!

Before joining the Autobots, Sideswipe traveled the Universe in search of other worthy transformers to battle. He learned a lot, and became one of the most skilled autobots on the team. [b]In fact, Sideswipe has equal skill compared to Optimus Prime! Sideswipe teaches all of the other members of the Autobots all of the fighting styles and tricks he learned while traveling.

One of the few Transformers to have wheels as feet, Sideswipe is able to skate around his enemies and catch up to fleeing foes with ease.

http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Ultimate_Bumblebee

Bumblebee is one of Optimus Prime's most trusted lieutenants. Although he is not the strongest or most powerful of the Autobots, Bumblebee more than makes up for this with a bottomless well of luck, determination and bravery. He would gladly give his life to protect others and stop the Decepticons.

Badly damaged in battle, Bumblebee lost the ability to speak verbally, though he can still communicate over inter-Autobot frequencies (in a fashion that seems somewhat akin to instant messaging, a usable but more distant and less personal means of interaction).

Lemmee guess, BB's luck wins this? 🙄

And look closely at their midsections, SS is no more anorexic than BB. [/B]

That really didn't help [you] much, SS isn't that strong and he has few weapons, plus he's trained all the Autobots his tricks, ie BB is well aware of his fancy moves.

But we go by movie feats; by those feats, BB is by far the better and more versatile fighter. Repeat: Punches, kicks, knees, tosses and he has more guns.

Originally posted by Robtard
That really didn't help much, SS isn't that strong and he has few weapons, plus he's trained all the Autobots his tricks, ie BB is well aware of his fancy moves.

But we go by movie feats; by those feats, BB is by far the better and more versatile fighter.

SS taught BB how to fight, basically, AND it says he has skill equal to Prime.

As for the strength argument, it says the same about BB. Dooooooooooooooooh.

Read it and weep?

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Shitty wheel feet boy looks more delicate around that section.
His onscreen 3d appearance in the movie shows that.
Speaking of on screen feats, not much of your wiki quote was onscreen featery, RJ.

Speaking of which, I presume that the reason you reposted the wiki link quote immediately after my above post, that you couldnt see it because of the many tears already in your eyes...?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Excuse me, we go by movie feats AND wiki facts.

SS taught BB how to fight, basically, AND it says he has skill equal to Prime.

As for the strength argument, it says the same about BB. Dooooooooooooooooh.

And whhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhy then did Sideswipe not kill Megatron, The Fallen and then just piss off back to Cybertron...? Oh yeah....thats right, hes not the all powerful being that you made out...

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Excuse me, we go by movie feats AND wiki facts.

SS taught BB how to fight, basically, AND it says he has skill equal to Prime.

As for the strength argument, it says the same about BB. Dooooooooooooooooh.

Movie feats first, as this is the "Movie Versus Forum". Wiki is merely a supplemental.

Yeah, so BB is a very capable fighter. That fight with the Bulldozer and cat showed his raw skill, agility, durability and speed. Which surpass anything we've see SS doing.

Did I argue that BB would simply overpower SS in a strength match? I didn't. BB would use his skill to punch, kick, knee, toss and shoot SS into a pile of shit, like he did the Bullldozer that was about 3 times his size. BB is the McClane of the autobots.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
And whhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhy then did Sideswipe not kill Megatron, The Fallen and then just piss off back to Cybertron...? Oh yeah....thats right, hes not the all powerful being that you made out...

Originally posted by Robtard
Movie feats first, as this is the "Movie Versus Forum". Wiki is merely a supplemental.

Yeah, so BB is a very capable fighter. That fight with the Bulldozer and cat showed his raw skill, agility, durability and speed. Which surpass anything we've see SS doing.

Did I argue that BB would simply overpower SS in a strength match? I didn't. BB would use his skill to punch, kick, knee, toss and shoot SS into a pile of shit, like he did the Bullldozer that was about 3 times his size. BB is the McClane of the autobots.

SS is more skilled than BB, it says it right there in the wiki quote. Plus he knows all BB's moves.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Forum rules dictate that wiki is a creditable source, are we gonna have this argument again? Cuz you'll lose, again.

SS is more skilled than BB, it says it right there in the wiki quote. Plus he knows all BB's moves.

I didn't say it wasn't, now did I. You know what's a more credible source? Movie feats, son.

Okay, he has more skill(how much more?). That alone isn't going to cut it, considering what we actually see BB doing.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Theres a difference between skill and strength, dude, www.dictionary.com.

Exactly...So that doesnt look good for your appraisal.

Good link that.. ..Also I recommend you look up the word "excrementitious" on it.
You'll see that it pertains to your argument and debating style. 😉

Originally posted by Robtard
I didn't say it wasn't, now did I. You know what's a more credible source? Movie feats, son.

Okay, he has more skill(how much more?). That alone isn't going to cut it, considering what we actually see BB doing.

Skill equal to Prime.
Taught BB how to fight.
Dual blades.
Blasters on his wrists and back.
Superior speed and agility than BB.

Survey says.......SS pwns him.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Exactly...So that doesnt look good for your appraisal.

Good link that.. ..Also I recommend you look up the word "excrementitious".
You'll see that it pertains to your argument and debating style. 😉

Just accept the pwn (Which was administered in 100% accordance to MVF rules) and call it a day.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Movie feats AND wiki, Mijo, they both count. Since SS wasnt shown much onscreen, we have to use the wiki link, which has "Revenge of the Fallen" all over it, to rate him.

Skill equal to Prime.
Taught BB how to fight.
Dual blades.
Blasters on his wrists and back.
Superior speed and agility than BB.

Survey says.......SS pwns him.

Yet movie feats are the main source, as this is the MOVIE VS forum; not the Wiki Vs Forum,

Here, let me sign into my Wiki account and edit in a "Bumblee is invulnerable, fires nukes and worships Jesus", so that can somehow superceed the onscreen feats.

Dude, I see you're on a Sideswipe love-fest with the sig and all, but don't abandon logic for ****s' sake. One move doesn't counter a slew of bad-assery on screen.

Edit: Were in your wiki article does it say that SS "has superior speed and agility to BB"?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Sure it does!!! 😄

Just accept the pwn (Which was administered in 100% accordance to MVF rules) and call it a day.

Excellent! Then we are in agreement. 🙂

Excrementitious it is then..

I already have accepted it, felt how so very very good it felt, learned to love it, and will enjoy remembering said pwnage of you here, in the cold winter months.