Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
I was thinking that with a sundip he should be able blitz Surfer and beat him down quickly. Not blitz as in Surfer's like "WTF just happened?!" But fast enough to put him on the defensive side while taking the punches.
honestly, without weakness exploitation, i don't see surfer beating superman. quite the opposite in fact.
When the Destroyer was herald, it seemed Ben Grimm could hit it - and take hits from it - pretty good, so I don't think it was up to its classic, Thor-owning levels. In this instance, Superman - especially sundipped - likely could take it w/o much difficulty.
But against classic, "all-powerful" Destroyer as when Thor first fought it? Capable of generating any force in the universe and firing off bolts of limitless power? I don't see Supes winning. At best: stalemate by Superman avoiding its attacks with superspeed, or BFR. HV/arctic breath won't stop it, and going toe-to-toe would probably also be a stalemate until Supes' extra solar charge began to wane.
Sundipped Supes against Surfer? While the former is dipping, the latter better be amping, or methinks Soarin' Norrin loses.
Originally posted by Mindship
When the Destroyer was herald, it seemed Ben Grimm could hit it - and take hits from it - pretty good, so I don't think it was up to its classic, Thor-owning levels. In this instance, Superman - especially sundipped - likely could take it w/o much difficulty.But against classic, "all-powerful" Destroyer as when Thor first fought it? Capable of generating any force in the universe and firing off bolts of limitless power? I don't see Supes winning. At best: stalemate by Superman avoiding its attacks with superspeed, or BFR. HV/arctic breath won't stop it, and going toe-to-toe would probably also be a stalemate until Supes' extra solar charge began to wane.
Sundipped Supes against Surfer? While the former is dipping, the latter better be amping, or methinks Soarin' Norrin loses.
I think he gets the dip before the battle starts. Even if it wasn't I believe that the amp from dipping powers him up faster than Surfer can amp himself.
Originally posted by Starscream M
surfer seems to have gotten quite a bit of a powerup in the recent encounter against BRB where he almost seemed to be toying with the asgardian.
good for him, but it's not like superman hasn't toyed with people who are supposed to be his equals.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
I tend to agree. I will say that without weakness exploitation, Surfer isn't stomping him.
aye. he's tanked worse than surfer's standard blasts.
In OWAW, while it's tough to get even a ballpark figure on how long it took Superman to sundip long enough to move Warworld, I think it's safe to say it took several minutes (ie, while Superman is musing through quite a few panels about his doubts burning away; Brainiac is monologuing panel after panel), if not "Hours" (hard to assign who's saying this, but it could be Steel as he wonders where Superman is "when the universe needs you most"😉.
Surfer seems to amp in minutes, if not seconds. But again, who amps faster I think is a highly subjective call.
Originally posted by Mindship
In OWAW, while it's tough to get even a ballpark figure on how long it took Superman to sundip long enough to move Warworld, I think it's safe to say it took several minutes (ie, while Superman is musing through quite a few panels about his doubts burning away; Brainiac is monologuing panel after panel), if not "Hours" (hard to assign who's saying this, but it could be Steel as he wonders where Superman is "when the universe needs you most"😉.Surfer seems to amp in minutes, if not seconds. But again, who amps faster I think is a highly subjective call.
he doesn't need to sundip to amp, though.
Sundip helps him beat those who would normally be too close to call, namely Surfer and possibly Fallen One. The rest either lose at 3-4/10 ish and Destroyer/Tyrant would stomp regardless of what he does. The Destroyer's physical power isn't that impressive, it's probably not much more than Superman. It's the beams, the invulnerability and matter manipulation. And this time, he's got the power cosmic backing him. Thor with the power cosmic did not use Mjolnir if I recall correctly, which would put him around the level of an ordinary herald. Only with some extra strength and magic power.
List goes as follows. (No Sundip)
Red shift 4/10
Firelord 4/10
Air Walker 1/10
Nova 2/10
Morg 5/10
Surfer 6/10
Fallen one 4/10
Destroyer 10/10
Tyrant 10/10
A punisher robot 0/10
Thor 5/10
Aunt May 0/10
Terrax 3/10
With a sundip you could change all his bouts against the herald into clean victories, except Tyrant and Destroyer. Those battles would still have the same outcome.
Originally posted by -Pr-
honestly, without weakness exploitation, i don't see surfer beating superman. quite the opposite in fact.
Bah!. Surfer has tanked much worse than supermans standard punches +has forcefields, can drain his energy, etc
I tend to agree.
Dont go over to the dark side. 😛 Let logic guide you back into the light. (which is Surfer beating superman weakness or no weakness)
Originally posted by Mindship
I think against Surfer he'd have to.
i don't, but that's me...
Originally posted by Naija boy
Bah!. Surfer has tanked much worse than supermans standard punches +has forcefields, can drain his energy, etcDont go over to the dark side. 😛 Let logic guide you back into the light. (which is Surfer beating superman weakness or no weakness)
😂
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Sundip helps him beat those who would normally be too close to call, namely Surfer and possibly Fallen One. The rest either lose at 3-4/10 ish and Destroyer/Tyrant would stomp regardless of what he does. The Destroyer's physical power isn't that impressive, it's probably not much more than Superman. It's the beams, the invulnerability and matter manipulation. And this time, he's got the power cosmic backing him. Thor with the power cosmic did not use Mjolnir if I recall correctly, which would put him around the level of an ordinary herald. Only with some extra strength and magic power.List goes as follows. (No Sundip)
Red shift 4/10
Firelord 4/10
Air Walker 1/10
Nova 2/10
Morg 5/10
Surfer 6/10
Fallen one 4/10
Destroyer 10/10
Tyrant 10/10
A punisher robot 0/10
Thor 5/10
Aunt May 0/10
Terrax 3/10With a sundip you could change all his bouts against the herald into clean victories, except Tyrant and Destroyer. Those battles would still have the same outcome.
Didn't Thor with a small amp beat him? Granted someone was using it, but it should count.
Originally posted by -Pr-
honestly, without weakness exploitation, i don't see surfer beating superman. quite the opposite in fact.
Originally posted by xJLxKingNope outside of plot devices no one has beat the Destroyer head on. Other than Celestials of course.
I'll agree with this, but I got one question about Destroyer.Didn't Thor with a small amp beat him? Granted someone was using it, but it should count.
T-Vo or something similar could have been done if this was comic.
But in a forum style battle Destroyer will always own top tiers.