Autobots help the Rebels at Hoth.

Originally posted by Placidity
Autobots win. Those machines were just shithouse, that got beat by ropes lmao. Optimus and Sideswipe cuts all their legs off in no time. The other guys can do whatever they want, probably run over some incompetent snow troopers.

Vader could possibly get one kill, but then gets his head shot off.

How can they cut off their legs? Their armor has yet to be even affected in the slightest by gigaton power explosions.

AT-ATs have the range of AT LEAST 17 kilometers. And you can't forget about the AT-STs and snowtroopers...

But yeah, Transformers may turn the tide, so it's entirely likely that Rebels would win.

Vader is indeed very powerful. I'd say he's better than Dooku with the Force. Is he, say, Magneto? No. But very strong. He's very handy with a lightsaber as well.

I think some of you are underestimating the AT-AT's. There cannons are VERY powerful. Excessive fire from them would probably **** up everybody not named Optimus Prime. I think both sides have a chance. But seriously, I could see two Autobots soloing the Clones if they did it smart. Would they be messed up? Sure. 150 weapons pointed in the same direction with very skilled men holding them will do that to you. But come on, Ironhide would obliterate tons with those cannons. I say Ratchet and Ironhide should fight the Vader and troops since they're the slowest Autobots in the lineup.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
But the Rebels are there to help, th snowtroopers are gonna have to fight them too. But we are talking about SS soloing, so it's a moot point.

STORMTROOPERS ARE REPLACED BY 150 CLONE TROOPERS WITH SNOW GEAR.

So now they are Clone Troopers? There were no Clone Troopers on Hoth.

Obviously, that's why I had them inserted.

OK, so the Empire gets pwned in the original scenario then?

You came forth with the opinion that the Stormtroopers sucked. I agree with you that the movie incarnations of them are highly incompetent. So I replaced them with Clone Troopers. There's no question they are elite soldiers.

I came up with that opinion? Thats literally common knowledge.

Great. So what's the problem?

Sounded like you were implying that I just now discovered this fact.

Away from the bullshit. I think Ratchet and Ironhide can solo the troops. Not sure if they can take Vader as well. Prime kinda ensures victory though. He's too powerful.

Look, I love SW like no ones business, but how is Vader gonna beat a Transformer? Remember, we are going with what he did onscreen, no speculation.

He still fairly powerful from what we saw onscreen.
-Choke a man from miles away while looking at them on a tv screen.
-Limited flight.
-Saber throw.
-Casually throws objects at his bidding.
-Destroyed a medical room, crushing droids, flattening canister tanks, and dropping droids(possible EMP).
-Eliminated dozens and dozens of Jedi at the Temple during the Purge.

Choke? Would do shit on the bots.

Flight? He jumped off some stairs, thats all.

Saber throw? He wasnt in control of the saber, he just chucked it.

He casually threw objects that would have no effect on the bots.

Key word, "possible."

Eliminated dozens of Jedi BEFORE he had armor, this thread is about ESB Vader, yes?

A shitty post. I know. It's just that the OT had lacking feats. Maybe I should've used Palpatine.

Well, if we are talking the Battle of Hoth, I assumed it was ESB Vader.

Transformers win. Even if things suddenly went bad, all that would happen is "The Touch" would come on in the background and they'd come back and win.

As Darth Martin said, you guys underestimate AT-ATs. They have the firepower in the gigatons and effortlessly shrugged off artillery with NO damage!

Not saying that Empire wins, just saying that both sides have a chance here.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
So now they are Clone Troopers? There were no Clone Troopers on Hoth.

Whatever happened to the Clone Troopers anyways? Were the Storm Troopers clones too?

BTW Is'nt ESB Vader (in suit) still RoTS Vader (in suit), canon-wise?

BTW, IMO : Vader flew momentarily and used Force-Saber-throw. It's just that the special effects sucked in those days.

Originally posted by Blinky
Whatever happened to the Clone Troopers anyways? Were the Storm Troopers clones too?

BTW Is'nt ESB Vader (in suit) still RoTS Vader (in suit), canon-wise?

BTW, IMO : Vader flew momentarily and used Force-Saber-throw. It's just that the special effects sucked in those days.

Yes, but older, slower.

No, he jumped down some stairs with his hands out, and that wasn't a saber throw, if it was, why didn't he call his saber back to him?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No one knows.

Yes, but older, slower.

No, he jumped down some stairs with his hands out, and that wasn't a saber throw, if it was, why didn't he call his saber back to him?

No they weren't, by that time most of the original clones had died out.

True, but also more powerful Force wise.

If he can control objects w/the Force, then why can't he control his lightsaber?