Originally posted by Starscream M
he was evolving in his fight against superman ON THE FLY...when superman hit him with a sonic attack, bone spurs grew and covered his earswhen superman flew, he shot out his bone spurs
Evolving bone spurs to cover his ears is nice and all but isnt even in the same ballpark as evolving total immunity to a high level energy blast.
Originally posted by Naija boydoomsday's whole gimmick as a character is that if something negatively affects him once, it will not work again. having said that, subsequent blasts of darkseid's omega beams would've been tanked/shrugged off just as the first blast was... as a matter of fact, we saw additional proof of immunity when doomsday was completely unfazed by an attack from orion [/w/astro force] in the following arc.
In ur opinion would doomsday have still been unscathed if he had received repeated omega beams? Yes he tanked them once but assuming Darkseid had blasted him with them multiple times im pretty sure at some point they would have started to take their toll. Thats what he is faced with here as the Destroyer will be continuously using his disentegrator beam all through the fight. Tanking the OB once isnt enough to justify being unscathed by that kind of continuous onslaught.
imo, the destroyer is going to have to come up with something better than trying to repeatedly blast doomsday.
Originally posted by Naija boyjust because doomsday did die in his first battle with radiant, doesn't mean he had to die. evolution on the fly: another character-gimmick of doomsday.
Didnt he have to die first before evolving protection against Radiants energy? Whos blasts did he simply evolve immunity against midbattle?
This fight wouldn't be a stalemate it would be a slaughter. The
'Ark Destroyer" (I mean the one filled with Asgardians, and used to battle the Celestials) would pummel Doomsday with ease. The Tarene possessed Doomsday would eventually beat him as well. If Loki possessed the armor he would simply bfr Doomsday for an easy win. In my opinion this battle wouldn't be nearly as close as Galan 007 makes it. The Destroyer would win.
Excuse me I retract my opinion I never read the stipulations, and for this I apologize. I belive that the Thor powered Destroyer would get the first 4-5 wins and then HP Doomsday would evolve and win the rest of the battle. The Thor Destroyer would need to bfr via teleportation to win this, but if he did not Doomday HP would eventually scrap the Destroyer. Again I apologize for not reading the stipulations of this battle.
Originally posted by Stoic
Excuse me I retract my opinion I never read the stipulations, and for this I apologize. I belive that the Thor powered Destroyer would get the first 4-5 wins and then HP Doomsday would evolve and win the rest of the battle. The Thor Destroyer would need to bfr via teleportation to win this, but if he did not Doomday HP would eventually scrap the Destroyer. Again I apologize for not reading the stipulations of this battle.
What proof we have to say that Thor animating the Destroyer can bfr DD? When has the Destroyer animated by anyone bfred someone and how?
Originally posted by Stoic
Thor has always had the power to open portals via Mjolnir. The Destroyer itself has the power of teleportation travel, and with Thors mind in the construct all it would have to do is bring Doomsday to the nearest collapsed star, throw him in and be back in time to watch the Giants bust the Cowboys.
Thor has no access to his powers in the Destroyer. I don't even believe by that Mjolnir is even in the battle. Destroyer being able to teleport itself doesn't mean it can teleport others.
Originally posted by Galan007
doomsday's whole gimmick as a character is that if something negatively affects him once, it will not work again. having said that, subsequent blasts of darkseid's omega beams would've been tanked/shrugged off just as the first blast was... as a matter of fact, we saw additional proof of immunity when doomsday was completely unfazed by an attack from orion [/w/astro force] in the following arc.imo, the destroyer is going to have to come up with something better than trying to repeatedly blast doomsday.
just because doomsday did die in his first battle with radiant, doesn't mean he had to die. evolution on the fly: another character-gimmick of doomsday.
Wasnt the initial "gimmick" that if something kills him once it wont affect him again?...Regardless, how does doomsday being unfazed by blasts from Orion show his on the fly "evolved" immunity? Im pretty sure Orions blast and the OB arent the same attack and besides that, if he could tank the stronger of the two initially then he should be able to tank the weaker of them.
Simply put, developing bonespurs to cover his ears (if thats the only adapting on the fly he did) is not enough to support claims of him magically developing complete immunity to high level energy blasts.
Originally posted by h1a8Well, you can ask the thread starter what he meant. But the one time Thor's spirit was actually in the Destroyer armor, he did have Mjolnir and he used Mjolnir straight-away to teleport to Hel. He's one of the few that can restrain the Destroyer's destructive spirit:
Thor has no access to his powers in the Destroyer. I don't even believe by that Mjolnir is even in the battle. Destroyer being able to teleport itself doesn't mean it can teleport others.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
If you want, I can scan the next comic and show you what he does with it.
Originally posted by Naija boydarkseid's omega powers, and orion's astro powers are opposite sides of the same coin. in fact, the astro force actually has the superior feats, imo.
Regardless, how does doomsday being unfazed by blasts from Orion show his on the fly "evolved" immunity? Im pretty sure Orions blast and the OB arent the same attack and besides that, if he could tank the stronger of the two initially then he should be able to tank the weaker of them.
Originally posted by Galan007
darkseid's omega powers, and orion's astro powers are opposite sides of the same coin. in fact, the astro force actually has the superior feats, imo.
Them both being related to the source or whatnot still doesnt mean that Doomsday evolved immunity against the astroforce when no such then was ever indicated. Also what superior feats of the astroforce are u referring to? as im pretty sure that there are alot of people who would disagree
Originally posted by Naija boydoomsday was unfazed by the astro force during "doomsday wars" [which was essentially still h/p doomsday.]
Them both being related to the source or whatnot still doesnt mean that Doomsday evolved immunity against the astroforce when no such then was ever indicated.Also what superior feats of the astroforce are u referring to? as im pretty sure that there are alot of people who would disagree
the people who disagree with me regarding the astro force's superority to omega powers have more than likely never read orion's own series. 🙂
Originally posted by Naija boy
Wasnt the initial "gimmick" that if something kills him once it wont affect him again?...Regardless, how does doomsday being unfazed by blasts from Orion show his on the fly "evolved" immunity? Im pretty sure Orions blast and the OB arent the same attack and besides that, if he could tank the stronger of the two initially then he should be able to tank the weaker of them.Simply put, developing bonespurs to cover his ears (if thats the only adapting on the fly he did) is not enough to support claims of him magically developing complete immunity to high level energy blasts.
These characters don't exist. So the only way we can truly judge is by the writer's intention. It is clear that the writer made HP DD to be able to evolve from any attack on the fly. That is why the writer WROTE the mother box to compute that the only way to destroy DD was THE END OF TIME.
Also it is clear that the OE> Destroyer's blast's since it was easily able to disintegrate beings and things that are at least equal to Thor in durability. Superman is an exception since he is protected by the source (essential to reality). Also Cyborg is an exception because either he is essential too or the fact that he has Superman's dna.
In the second fight with Radiant (when DD gained the ability to evolve on the fly) DD evolved while being constantly blasted with very high level energy blasts. The reason why we know the blasts that Radiant was outputting was very high level because before that fight the entire GL corps couldn't phase DD with their blasts (even the Guardians had trouble).
When DD got hit with the OE it was the first time. That means he was either already immune or gained immunity while being blasted. The former shows that DD is immune to any blasts of equal or lesser magnitude than the OE and the latter shows that if a blast isn't capable of one-shotting DD then DD would simply evolve to resist it on the fly. Either way DD is not getting beat by Destroyer's blasts.
IMO, I see it as a no brainer that either DD would be immune to the Destroyer's beam or simply evolve to be (even while being blasted). Just by natural comic sense can we know this (even though I lack it sometimes, lol).
The only way for the Destroyer to win is to one shot DD (so that DD doesn't get a chance to evolve). And based off comic evidence it is certainly not one-shotting DD.
Lastly DD has the only chances to win here. That means that this is either a stalemate or DD wins. DD is either strong enough to cause serious damage to the Destroyer or he may evolve to be.
