JLA vs. Avengers (A Fair Match of 8v8)

Originally posted by Warlord
what do u mean "with no powers"?

Thor is just as good

Really?

have you read the fight I mentioned above?

Also my point is they would stalemate each other also so...

Originally posted by Warlord
Have you seen him going H2H (unarmed) against Mjolnir wielding Loki and Fenriz?

I can list other H2H Thor's instances as well. I say he is just as good

I don't agree. When has Thor gone against a top class MA? Loki isn't one of them.

Originally posted by Zeuodin
No. Thor isn't just as good as Orion. Orion is the Dog of War. It's like his God power. with no powers, Thor would lose to Orion.

Exactly.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
I don't agree. When has Thor gone against a top class MA? Loki isn't one of them.

no But fenris is a beast and they both had the advantage of having two mjolnirs while thor was unnarmed and severely wounded

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Exactly.

what he said wasn't even an arguement. He just throwed Orions title there... 🙁

Originally posted by Warlord
no But fenris is a beast and they both had the advantage of having two mjolnirs while thor was unnarmed and severely wounded

Uhhh, not what I was looking for.

Originally posted by Warlord
what he said wasn't even an arguement. He just throwed Orions title there... 🙁

He said Thor is not in Orion's league when it comes to hth combat. Which I agreed. Orion has stated that he knows every type of warfare from across the cosmos and knows just about all forms of hth fighting. Can Thor say the same? Orion is the Dog of War for a reason.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Uhhh, not what I was looking for.

we can't have always what we're looking for.

it is a high showing of h2h combat whether you agree or not

Originally posted by Prep-Man
He said Thor is not in Orion's league when it comes to hth combat. Which I agreed. Orion has stated that he knows every type of warfare from across the cosmos and knows just about all forms of hth fighting. Can Thor say the same? Orion is the Dog of War for a reason.

I thought we've stoped going by character statements a long time ago in this site.

Orion is not like a Karate Kid or something

my point is, Thor's good, but not Orion good. That's Orion's specialy afterall.

Originally posted by Warlord
I thought we've stoped going by character statements a long time ago in this site.

Orion is not like a Karate Kid or something

No, he's actually demonstrated his skills. Like I said, facing the greatest MA in the UNIVERSE.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
my point is, Thor's good, but not Orion good. That's Orion's specialy afterall.

by that logic Marvel's Ares should also be a better fighter.

Thor has tons of h2h feats in his solo series.

Some vol. instances might convince you but I don't wanna turn this in a Thor respect thread

Originally posted by Prep-Man
No, he's actually demonstrated his skills. Like I said, facing the greatest MA in the UNIVERSE.

yet he casually gets stallemated by supes who I don't think he is the greatest MA in the Universe

Originally posted by Warlord
by that logic Marvel's Ares should also be a better fighter.

Thor has tons of h2h feats in his solo series.

Some vol. instances might convince you but I don't wanna turn this in a Thor respect thread

I'm sure he has, but no real skill to my knowledge. He has experience in battles, that's for sure, but I tip the edge to Orion.

Originally posted by Warlord
yet he casually gets stallemated by supes who I don't think he is the greatest MA in the Universe

Orion has actually casually backhanded a brainwashed Superman and has constrained him in Cosmic Odyssey. A lot better than Thor stalemating Wonder Man or Gladiator, who I don't think are good fighters.

Thor has lots of mention of "Asgardian skill" and "Godly skill" and "Warrior Prowess" which then shows him brawling in said panel so, eh...

Thor has also done a few nifty tricks with Mjolnir.

He is probably the most skillful Asgardian but how that relates to actual displays of H2H skill, I'm not sure.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
I'm sure he has, but no real skill to my knowledge. He has experience in battles, that's for sure, but I tip the edge to Orion.

well IMO their styles differ.

Thor seems to be more experienced in armed fight and Mjolnir would be a factor.

On the other hand I don't deny Orion is a beast in h2h but in most books I've seen him he just relies to his enormous strength and durability rushing berserk like.

skill has many forms. Thor and Hercules fights show skill. It's just different from oriental martial arts.

IMO they are close and the thing that I've read more Thor books than you as you've read more Orion books than me lead us to diferent conclussions...😉

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Orion has actually casually backhanded a brainwashed Superman and has constrained him in Cosmic Odyssey. A lot better than Thor stalemating Wonder Man or Gladiator, who I don't think are good fighters.

and what about the instance they were fighting as equals with Takion and Highfather pressent

or that other fight that Orion beat him just because he used astro force

anyway...

Originally posted by Warlord
well IMO their styles differ.

Thor seems to be more experienced in armed fight and Mjolnir would be a factor.

On the other hand I don't deny Orion is a beast in h2h but in most books I've seen him he just relies to his enormous strength and durability rushing berserk like.

skill has many forms. Thor and Hercules fights show skill. It's just different from oriental martial arts.

IMO they are close and the thing that I've read more Thor books than you as you've read more Orion books than me lead us to diferent conclussions...😉

The thing is, Orion knows more than Oriental MA. He's the spirit of combat or such.

And I have read more Thor books than Orion's. Thor is a fav of mine. I wouldn't have said that a few years ago, so I'm constantly getting into Thor books.

Here is the example I was talking about. orion going up against his former trainer, Valkyrie. BTW, Orion doesn't have the spirit to fight and still gets the upper hand. That's how good he is.

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/jkfw-07-16.jpg

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/jkfw-07-17.jpg

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