Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
BARRAGAN DISPROVED HIS OWN STATEMENT BY GETTING CONTROLLED BY AIZEN AND DYING!!! HE DIDN'T HAVE TO BE PROVEN OTHERWISE.You still posted no scans, so it didn't happen.
You also ignored my entire post, so you fail, and are disgustingly wrong.
Thats all im saying... You were right about gremmy tho im not saying that your wrong. Its just foolish to immediately take everything a character says literally.
Originally posted by yungz22
Regardless it was still a hyperbolic statement by barragan...
Either way those characters are all examples of characters saying hyperbolic things that are later disproved. Not everything a character says is supposed to be taken as fact immediately especially if the character had just been introduced and we know barely know the extent of his power.Thats all im saying... You were right about gremmy tho im not saying that your wrong. Its just foolish to immediately take everything a character says literally.
No, it was an exaggeration by Barragan, fueled by a superiority complex that 90% of anime villains have. 👆
As I elaborated earlier, there are some statements that are obvious hyperbole, which are typically joking when in context. Others that are STATED AS FACT, are meant to be taken as such.
You gave the perfect example. If someone says "I am a god", they are obviously being cocky(unless they actually ARE a god, like Bills or any soul reapers*which translates to death god*). When someone says "I can destroy this entire planet/solar system/galaxy/universe/etc.", they are obviously being serious.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
No, it was an exaggeration by Barragan, fueled by a superiority complex that 90% of anime villains have. 👆As I elaborated earlier, there are some statements that are obvious hyperbole, which are typically joking when in context. Others that are STATED AS FACT, are meant to be taken as such.
You gave the perfect example. If someone says "I am a god", they are obviously being cocky(unless they actually ARE a god, like Bills or any soul reapers*which translates to death god*). When someone says "I can destroy this entire planet/solar system/galaxy/universe/etc.", they are obviously being serious.
Barragan still engaged in hyperbole when he said it.
And Why are you only focusing on barragan. What about the other characters exaggerated their strength. everything cant be taken as fact immediately. They have to prove it with action or others have to bolster their statement if its to be believed as fact.
Originally posted by yungz22
Barragan still engaged in hyperbole when he said it.And Why are you only focusing on barragan. What about the other characters exaggerated their strength. everything cant be taken as fact immediately. They have to prove it with action or others have to bolster their statement if its to be believed as fact.
No. He. Didn't.
I already explained it, and you're biased fan tard opinion means nothing. It's not my fault if you're too dense to understand what hyperbole is.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
No. He. Didn't.I already explained it, and you're biased fan tard opinion means nothing. It's not my fault if you're too dense to understand what hyperbole is.
How does giving you examples of hyperbole make a fantard. On e again you belittle your credibility by trying to insult your opponent stuff like that only works on the playground. Killer bee and kenny arent even my fav characters from each show.....But anyways the man exaggerated his abilities thats exactly what hyperbole is about.
And your still only focusing on barragans example when the other ones are clear as day hyperbolic statements too. Its not about being a being a fantard you were right about gremmy its just it would be foolish to accept his statement immediaty without any proof.
http://www.mangapanda.com/94-29787-17/bleach/chapter-371.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/94-29787-20/bleach/chapter-371.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/94-36557-12/bleach/chapter-379.html ---yet noitora put up a better fight against kenny than he did and kenny said the fight against yammy was boring.
http://www.mangapanda.com/94-57804-9/bleach/chapter-422.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/bleach/463/15 girko hyperole
http://www.mangapanda.com/bleach/463/16
http://www.mangapanda.com/bleach/463/17
http://www.mangapanda.com/94-779-16/bleach/chapter-325.html -findor hyperbole
http://www.mangapanda.com/94-779-19/bleach/chapter-325.html
all hyperbolic statements if you were to believe everything each one of these characters said immediately it wouldnt be smart
http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Hyperbole
this is not about being a fanboy just facts
Originally posted by yungz22
http://www.mangapanda.com/94-29787-17/bleach/chapter-371.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/94-29787-20/bleach/chapter-371.htmlhttp://www.mangapanda.com/94-36557-12/bleach/chapter-379.html ---yet noitora put up a better fight against kenny than he did and kenny said the fight against yammy was boring.
http://www.mangapanda.com/94-57804-9/bleach/chapter-422.htmlhttp://www.mangapanda.com/bleach/463/15 girko hyperole
http://www.mangapanda.com/bleach/463/16
http://www.mangapanda.com/bleach/463/17http://www.mangapanda.com/94-779-16/bleach/chapter-325.html -findor hyperbole
http://www.mangapanda.com/94-779-19/bleach/chapter-325.htmlall hyperbolic statements if you were to believe everything each one of these characters said immediately it wouldnt be smart
http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Hyperbole
this is not about being a fanboy just facts
Why do I have to keep instructing you on simple English?
FOR THE LAST TIME, BEING COCKY=/=HYPERBOLE.
You should have the intelligence to understand the difference.
Barragan was in denial. He used to be a king, but was then reduced to a mere servant. He didn't think he could beat Aizen, he was pissed because he knew he couldn't.
Same thing with Giriko. The only difference is that he thought he could beat Kenny, because he had never met anyone stronger than him. BTW, you're also saying it was also hyperbole when Kenny said the fight would be boring, just because you were too stupid to know English.
Findor obviously did his research. He probably WAS about as strong as a captain was during the SS arc. However, everyone was training so much that they got strong enough to shit on that level of power, even the vice-captains like Hisagi. Not hyperbole, just underestimation.
That is the stupidest wiki thread I've ever seen. Literally ALL of the things it said was hyperbole were just dubbed that to underscore the feats and statements in anime/manga. For all I know, you probably wrote that retarded thread, because you're too stupid to know what hyperbole is.
Look, I already explained it, and every experienced poster on here knows who's right and who's wrong. I'm not your english teacher, so you can get back to thinking that everything anyone ever says is hyperbole.
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Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Why do I have to keep instructing you on simple English?FOR THE LAST TIME, BEING COCKY=/=HYPERBOLE.
You should have the intelligence to understand the difference.
Barragan was in denial. He used to be a king, but was then reduced to a mere servant. He didn't think he could beat Aizen, he was pissed because he knew he couldn't.
Same thing with Giriko. The only difference is that he thought he could beat Kenny, because he had never met anyone stronger than him. BTW, you're also saying it was also hyperbole when Kenny said the fight would be boring, just because you were too stupid to know English.
Findor obviously did his research. He probably WAS about as strong as a captain was during the SS arc. However, everyone was training so much that they got strong enough to shit on that level of power, even the vice-captains like Hisagi. Not hyperbole, just underestimation.
That is the stupidest wiki thread I've ever seen. Literally ALL of the things it said was hyperbole were just dubbed that to underscore the feats and statements in anime/manga. For all I know, you probably wrote that retarded thread, because you're too stupid to know what hyperbole is.
Look, I already explained it, and every experienced poster on here knows who's right and who's wrong. I'm not your english teacher, so you can get back to thinking that everything anyone ever says is hyperbole.
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what are you talking aboyut hisagi himself said he is not as strong as a captian.
being cocky does not equal hyperbole but it is often the thing that leads to hyperbole. it is the characters mindset that you have to look at when determining hyperbole. people depending on how they are feeling or how they want to get their point across often exaggerate or in other words engage in hyperbole.
they all exaggerated their power. doesnt matter why they did it.
overexageration= hyperbole want me to go to the dictionary if you dont like wiki
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hyperbole?s=t ----" excess, exaggeration,"
http://m.dictionary.com/?q=hyperbole&submit-result-SEARCHD=Search
http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/hyperbole
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/hyperbole ---oxford's dictionary
http://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/american/hyperbole "a way of emphasizing what you are saying by describing it as far more extreme than it really is"
http://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/hyperbole "exxagerated style of speaking."
https://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/hyperbole
http://www.yourdictionary.com/hyperbole
http://www.onelook.com/?w=hyperbole&ls=a 35 different sources stating the overall same thing.
when you exaggerate something you are engaging in hyperbole it doesnt matter how or why you did it.
it is when things are represented as much greater or less, better or worse, than they really are for effect.
need i show you more lol.
im not even trying to insult you or anything like that im just trying to help you understand. That hyperbole and exageration are one.
do you really think that findor could have beaten or put up a fight against any of the captains during the ss arc? without showing any feats comparable to those captians during that time.
Originally posted by yungz22
what are you talking aboyut hisagi himself said he is not as strong as a captian.
being cocky does not equal hyperbole but it is often the thing that leads to hyperbole. it is the characters mindset that you have to look at when determining hyperbole. people depending on how they are feeling or how they want to get their point across often exaggerate or in other words engage in hyperbole.they all exaggerated their power. doesnt matter why they did it.
overexageration= hyperbole want me to go to the dictionary if you dont like wikihttp://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hyperbole?s=t ----" excess, exaggeration,"
http://m.dictionary.com/?q=hyperbole&submit-result-SEARCHD=Search
http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/hyperbole
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/hyperbole ---oxford's dictionary
http://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/american/hyperbole "a way of emphasizing what you are saying by describing it as far more extreme than it really is"
http://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/hyperbole "exxagerated style of speaking."
https://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/hyperbole
http://www.yourdictionary.com/hyperbole
http://www.onelook.com/?w=hyperbole&ls=a 35 different sources stating the overall same thing.
when you exaggerate something you are engaging in hyperbole it doesnt matter how or why you did it.
it is when things are represented as much greater or less, better or worse, than they really are for effect.
need i show you more lol.
EXACTLY, YOU PHUCKING RETARD. Hisagi is stronger than captains during the SS arc, not the Aizen battle arc. 👆
Literally ALL of those say specifically "Obvious and intentional exaggeration". None of the statements engaged in doing that. Barragan was in denial, and didn't exaggerate, because he literally THOUGHT that he was a god. Same with Findor, he didn't exaggerate, because he THOUGHT he was stronger than current captains. The SAME THING with Giriko, because he THOUGHT he was infinitely powerful.
JUST like it's the same situation with Kenpachi and Gremmy. Gremmy thought his power made him omnipotent, but he's getting beaten right now by Kenny.
For the last ****ing time, overconfidence=/=hyperbole. 👆
Just so you don't reply back ignorantly, I'll give you an example of hyperbole.
In Naruto, when Zetsu said to Tobi, "Well sorry that I can't move at the friggen speed of light.", he was obviously exaggerating because Tobi was so fast, and he made so clear by using comedic undertones in his speech. It's also disproven because FTG is light speed, but Tobi's kamui couldn't catch it, even when already activated before FTG.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
EXACTLY, YOU PHUCKING RETARD. Hisagi is stronger than captains during the SS arc, not the Aizen battle arc. 👆Literally ALL of those say specifically "Obvious and intentional exaggeration". None of the statements engaged in doing that. Barragan was in denial, and didn't exaggerate, because he literally THOUGHT that he was a god. Same with Findor, he didn't exaggerate, because he THOUGHT he was stronger than current captains. The SAME THING with Giriko, because he THOUGHT he was infinitely powerful.
JUST like it's the same situation with Kenpachi and Gremmy. Gremmy thought his power made him omnipotent, but he's getting beaten right now by Kenny.
For the last ****ing time, overconfidence=/=hyperbole. 👆
Just so you don't reply back ignorantly, I'll give you an example of hyperbole.
In Naruto, when Zetsu said to Tobi, "Well sorry that I can't move at the friggen speed of light.", he was obviously exaggerating because Tobi was so fast, and he made so clear by using comedic undertones in his speech. It's also disproven because FTG is light speed, but Tobi's kamui couldn't catch it, even when already activated before FTG.
on what grounds can you make the statement that hisagi is stronger than them. Hisagi is my favorite character in the show and i dont evven think hes captian level. He would get beat by all of the captians. He cant beat yamajii,kyoraku,ukitake,unohana,soifon,komammura,tousen,Kenpachi, byakuya, hitsuguys, Mayuri, gin or aizen seriously what has hisagi shown that equals the feats they perfomed during that arc. at best hes high tier vc level
i never said over confidence equals hyperbole. im saying that is what can lead to it. overconfidence can lead to you exagerating.
when you exaggerate that is hyperbole. barraagan is neither immortal nor a god. thus he engaged in hyperbole. is that not clear enough. sayign your immortal or you have infinite power or that your as strong as a captain when you are obivously not is a exaggeration. thus the character is engaging in hyperbole.
Originally posted by yungz22
on what grounds can you make the statement that hisagi is stronger than them. Hisagi is my favorite character in the show and i dont evven think hes captian level. He would get beat by all of the captians. He cant beat yamajii,kyoraku,ukitake,unohana,soifon,komammura,tousen,Kenpachi, byakuya, hitsuguys, Mayuri, gin or aizen seriously what has hisagi shown that equals the feats they perfomed during that arc. at best hes high tier vc leveli never said over confidence equals hyperbole. im saying that is what can lead to it. overconfidence can lead to you exagerating.
when you exaggerate that is hyperbole. barraagan is neither immortal nor a god. thus he engaged in hyperbole. is that not clear enough. sayign your immortal or you have infinite power or that your as strong as a captain when you are obivously not is a exaggeration. thus the character is engaging in hyperbole.
Yes, Hisagi at that level could beat a captain from the SS arc(other than Aizen). Hisagi casually beat a Fraccione in shikai, and Hitsugaya couldn't beat a normal arrancar with 30% of his strength, in bankai. Hisagi is stronger at that stage than Hitsugaya was during the SS arc. It's that simple.
Denial=/=hyperbole. Barragan wanted it to be true, because compared to every other arrancar, he WAS a god. Aizen was just a god compared to him.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Yes, Hisagi at that level could beat a captain from the SS arc(other than Aizen). Hisagi casually beat a Fraccione in shikai, and Hitsugaya couldn't beat a normal arrancar with 30% of his strength, in bankai. Hisagi is stronger at that stage than Hitsugaya was during the SS arc. It's that simple.Denial=/=hyperbole. Barragan wanted it to be true, because compared to every other arrancar, he WAS a god. Aizen was just a god compared to him.
ill say it again your mindstate is what leads to hyperbole. the man is exaggerating his ability. Just because you believe you are strong doesnt mean you arent exaggerating. whether you meant it or not doesnt mean it isnt an exaggeration.
the world english dictionary state that an exxageration is"to regard or represent as larger or greater, more important or more successful, etc, than is true"
you act like 30% is alot of power. smh thats l little bit more than a quarter of his strength of course he would have problems. look what happened as soon as the limiter went off one shot kill.
Hisagi didnt one shot findor.
hitsuguya would beat hisagi during the ss arc are you kidding me. where are the feats that hisagi has to show that he would beat hitsuguya. Remember that toshiro was fighting on par with gin using only his shikai. Gin was forced to use a distraction in order to escape. are you saying that hisagi could beat Ichimaru Gin.
your one of those people who can never admit they are wrong arent you. theres nothing wrong with being wrong about what hyperbole is. im just letting you know no insult intended or anything just letting you know.
Originally posted by yungz22
ill say it again your mindstate is what leads to hyperbole. the man is exaggerating his ability. Just because you believe you are strong doesnt mean you arent exaggerating. whether you meant it or not doesnt mean it isnt an exaggeration.the world english dictionary state that an exxageration is"to regard or represent as larger or greater, more important or more successful, etc, than is true"
you act like 30% is alot of power. smh thats l little bit more than a quarter of his strength of course he would have problems. look what happened as soon as the limiter went off one shot kill.
Hisagi didnt one shot findor.
hitsuguya would beat hisagi during the ss arc are you kidding me. where are the feats that hisagi has to show that he would beat hitsuguya. Remember that toshiro was fighting on par with gin using only his shikai. Gin was forced to use a distraction in order to escape. are you saying that hisagi could beat Ichimaru Gin.
your one of those people who can never admit they are wrong arent you. theres nothing wrong with being wrong about what hyperbole is. im just letting you know no insult intended or anything just letting you know.
Exactly, but you, again, fail to understand any of what I just said. Falsely claiming something because of your state-of-mind is NOT the same as stating a fact. Yes, they were saying hyperbole(in the Barragan and Giriko cases), but they were doing so in denial, with a false sense of confidence. You're failing to realize that there's a difference between someone exaggerating their abilities due to overconfidence, and a person factually gauging their own abilities based on their knowledge.
Gremmy stated he was the strongest sternritter, and hadn't been disproven. The examples you're giving are LITERALLY based on the fact that they've been disproven, the SAME EXACT THING you're arguing against. If Giriko hadn't been shat on by Kenny, then we could have assumed he DID have unlimited power, just because of his fullbring.
30% IS a lot of power. They were three times stronger when the seal was released, and the arrancar's were obviously NOT that much stronger than them. However, that still means he's not even TWICE as strong as that weak arrancar, even while Hitsugaya's in his fully released bankai form. Hisagi shat on Findor, someone who had his strength gauged on the strength level of captains from that time. Again though, the levels of power differed SEVERELY from when Toshiro wasn't twice as strong as a lowly arrancar, to when he could defeat the third espada. This isn't a difficult concept to understand.
I feel bad for you, really. I feel bad for you, because you can't understand such a simple principal.
(Face palm) your one of those people who disregard facts theres literally no point in having a civil debate with you. Dancing around facts is a childish mentality that gets you nowhere.
Hyperbole doesnt have prerequisite it is literally a synonym for exageration but i guess In your case you say even the dictionary is wrong. As long as im right.
Dude really 30% is alot? You could make mike tyson punch feal like feathers if you took 70% of his punching power away.
Im gonna ask 3 basic questions regarding the hisagi thing
1. What feats does hisagi have that equate him to toshiro? Before You answer take into consideration and realize that same arc toshiro beat luppi who was espada no.6 at the time..... Hisagi isnt beating any of the espada except maybe aaroniero.
2. During the ss arc toshiro fought on par with gin both using shikai. Gin would beat him if he were to go all out due to sheer battle experience but fighting on par with him is still a feat in itself. Toshiro forced gin to use diversionary tactics in order to escape..... Hisagi has never shown any capabilities of doing the same
3. If findor is as strong as your implying why wasnt he appointed espada no. 6? Aizen created him and knew of his abilities.
But then again like i said you gonna come up with some cockamamy recant that goes against logic and lacks evidence to support that claim..... Anything to be right? Im not tryna insult you or anything but cmon just stop lol
Originally posted by yungz22
(Face palm) your one of those people who disregard facts theres literally no point in having a civil debate with you. Dancing around facts is a childish mentality that gets you nowhere.Hyperbole doesnt have prerequisite it is literally a synonym for exageration but i guess In your case you say even the dictionary is wrong. As long as im right.
Dude really 30% is alot? You could make mike tyson punch feal like feathers if you took 70% of his punching power away.
Im gonna ask 3 basic questions regarding the hisagi thing1. What feats does hisagi have that equate him to toshiro? Before You answer take into consideration and realize that same arc toshiro beat luppi who was espada no.6 at the time..... Hisagi isnt beating any of the espada except maybe aaroniero.
2. During the ss arc toshiro fought on par with gin both using shikai. Gin would beat him if he were to go all out due to sheer battle experience but fighting on par with him is still a feat in itself. Toshiro forced gin to use diversionary tactics in order to escape..... Hisagi has never shown any capabilities of doing the same3. If findor is as strong as your implying why wasnt he appointed espada no. 6? Aizen created him and knew of his abilities.
But then again like i said you gonna come up with some cockamamy recant that goes against logic and lacks evidence to support that claim..... Anything to be right? Im not tryna insult you or anything but cmon just stop lol
I swear to god, you have to be the sole dumbest person on this site.
1. 30% is a lot when people throw around town busting attacks.
2. Hisagi beat someone much stronger than Toshiro nearly lost to.
3. Gin was toying with him.
4. He wasn't appointed to Espada, because he was a fraccione. Not to mention that he was nowhere near the current espada level. You're forgetting Noiitora's statement that "We espada don't stay the same, we evolve and get progressively much stronger over time.", which is why he, espada number 5 was able to defeat Nel, espada number 3, even while she was ressurectioned and he wasn't. 👆
5. Are you saying that if someone thinks something is true, and it really isn't, that the person is lying? No, they were incorrect. Just like with Hyperbole. It even says SPECIFICALLY IN THE DICTIONARY, that it's INTENTIONAL exaggeration.
Phucking retard.