Originally posted by TheKahn
The only answer I can remember addressing this from Marvel is that their brick characters are able in some way to brace themselves and keep their footing.I find it funny that you and the other Wolverine supports think he can hand with gods such as Thor, Hercules, Ares, and Kalibak. Its good we're all being entertained. 🙂
Its funny that you throw years of on panel evidence out of the window. 😆 hilarious.
Originally posted by TheKahn
The only answer I can remember addressing this from Marvel is that their brick characters are able in some way to brace themselves and keep their footing.I find it funny that you and the other Wolverine supports think he can hand with gods such as Thor, Hercules, Ares, and Kalibak. Its good we're all being entertained. 🙂
I never said he hang with Kalibak. I find it funny you think because some one has the title of god they automatically win. I also find it funny you think wolverine a street level and how little you know about him and how little your able to except the fact your version of his abilities has never existed. Find it funny you think Ares stomps him and yet the examples you give Logan did better vs the same opponents......interesting no?
I know how rediculous of me to think wolverine can take Ares 70 ton with pritty weak durability for a brick. I mean were could I have come to such a conlusion I mean he never taken it to hulk, namor, rough-house, tiger shark, herc ect. Nor is he more skilled, faster, more agile, better reflexes and has the ability to bypass Ares durability, oh and Ares has not shown to have problems dealing with piercing damage or anything.........
Originally posted by carver9
Just like I thought, bringing up who he fought.
it's how we debate, actually.
using comparisons and deduction is the basis for almost all the cross universe debates that we have on kmc.
Superman has complimented numerous of bricks on there speed, its not a solid argument and lets not even go there, wolverine gets complimented on his speed in almost EVERY fight hes in.
but not by anyone on superman's level of speed.
Show me some speed feats, dont tell me about hyperbole because it doesnt count.
it's not hyperbole. you're mixing up the definition of it.
Originally posted by Zeuodin
Superman level Strength, High level Durability, Psy beams, Father box, beta club, all give Kalibak 10/10.
Psy beam Kalibak isnt the one used in this thread; its the norm Kalibak and he loses this 7/10.
Wolverine fight people with super strength all the time so what the point of bringing up Kalibak strength since we know wolverine can take his punches.
Durability, wolverine has cut through people that are as durable if not more durable than Kalibak, so again pointless.
Now I can say this;
Wolverine is faster
Wolverine is more agile
Better fighter
Adamantium Claws that would rip through Kalibak like paper
More Agile
The only thing Kalibak has on him is strength and thats not going to cut it.
Originally posted by carver9
Psy beam Kalibak isnt the one used in this thread; its the norm Kalibak and he loses this 7/10.Wolverine fight people with super strength all the time so what the point of bringing up Kalibak strength since we know wolverine can take his punches.
Durability, wolverine has cut through people that are as durable if not more durable than Kalibak, so again pointless.
Now I can say this;
Wolverine is faster
Wolverine is more agile
Better fighter
Adamantium Claws that would rip through Kalibak like paper
More AgileThe only thing Kalibak has on him is strength and thats not going to cut it.
you haven't proven that kalibak's durability is below that of anyone. saying it doesn't make it so.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Actually it happens to him quite often...Skaar.
Hulk.
Gorgon.
Jahf.
And I can name numerous fights were it doesn't happen. Thats my point. Its so inconsistent that it makes Wolverine debates hair pullingly frustrating. Many Wolverine fans will fight you to the death before first admitting that a single high tier punch is enough to BFR Wolverine by citing the many cases where it hasn't happened.
Next, if you do get them to accept that Skaar, Hulk, Gorgan, and other such characters can BFR Wolverine, then they argue that Wolverine too fast for his opponent to hit him.
Then you have to start all over and point out all the times human-speed characters have in fact hit Logan and get them to accept that. It boarders on insanity.
I like Wolverine. He's one of my favorite characters going back to the 90's cartoon when I first got into comics. But his popularity has seemed to grossly exaggerate what the character logically should be able to do. Now he can take a nuclear explosion point blank and walk away (with even his clothing intact!), he can be dipped in a tank of molten metal, climb out, and walk away, and he apparently now is capable to taking down Superman and Thor level gods. Its just beyond me to be honest.
Originally posted by -Pr-
it's how we debate, actually.using comparisons and deduction is the basis for almost all the cross universe debates that we have on kmc.
but not by anyone on superman's level of speed.
it's not hyperbole. you're mixing up the definition of it.
LOL
I know thats how we debate but you cant use that for everything because I could easily bring up Rulk fighting the grandmaster, silver surfer, etc... and wolverine showing against rulk was a 1000 times better. I can bring up who Hercules fought and wolverine winning against him. The list goes on.
It doesnt matter if it was on Supermans level of Speed, superman tends to compliment people when they dont need it. Superman even complimented death stroke 😕 , a low meta on his speed.
Originally posted by carver9Death stroke deserves a compliment. How many speedsters has he avoided, hit, fought, etc?
LOLI know thats how we debate but you cant use that for everything because I could easily bring up Rulk fighting the grandmaster, silver surfer, etc... and wolverine showing against rulk was a 1000 times better. I can bring up who Hercules fought and wolverine winning against him. The list goes on.
It doesnt matter if it was on Supermans level of Speed, superman tends to compliment people when they dont need it. Superman even complimented death stroke 😕 , a low meta on his speed.
Originally posted by carver9
LOLI know thats how we debate but you cant use that for everything because I could easily bring up Rulk fighting the grandmaster, silver surfer, etc... and wolverine showing against rulk was a 1000 times better. I can bring up who Hercules fought and wolverine winning against him. The list goes on.
It doesnt matter if it was on Supermans level of Speed, superman tends to compliment people when they dont need it. Superman even complimented death stroke 😕 , a low meta on his speed.
it's how we debate but i can't use it when it applies?
but there's a difference. most of rulk's book is pure, unfiltered PIS. you don't smack down silver surfer in one issue and have trouble with wolverine in the next. it's just stupid.
when superman complimented deathstroke, he himself wasn't nearly as fast as he is nowadays.
and deathstroke is insanely fast for a meta in terms of combat speed.
and yes, sometimes superman embelishes for people. fact is that he doesn't all the time, though, so none of us are going to be able to figure out which ones are genuine and which ones aren't (bar the "toughest opponent over" lines).
unless you can prove that they don't have what superman said they did, then we have to take him at his word.
also, it wasn't superman that complimented kalibak. it was the narrator, so...
Originally posted by carver9
Wolverine has cutThor
Hulk
Rulk
Wendigo
Thing
RKT
Herculesand the list goes on. Are you telling me that Kalibak is more durable than everyone thats on the list above?
most of those, yes. he doesn't have a healing factor on par with most of those, so he needs the durability to keep him on the level he's on.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
to be fair Walter has cheap shotted him in every single fight encounter between the to.
Ummmm...ok? What does that have to do with anything? Carver was claiming he beat Walter, jumped around him, and even cut him. How is that being fair? 😬
Originally posted by carver9
Cheetah, yes, she has a degree of Super speed but she doesnt have anything showing that she even surpass spiderman speed wise.
Oh lord....
Originally posted by -Pr-
it's how we debate but i can't use it when it applies?but there's a difference. most of rulk's book is pure, unfiltered PIS. you don't smack down silver surfer in one issue and have trouble with wolverine in the next. it's just stupid.
when superman complimented deathstroke, he himself wasn't nearly as fast as he is nowadays.
and deathstroke is insanely fast for a meta in terms of combat speed.
and yes, sometimes superman embelishes for people. fact is that he doesn't all the time, though, so none of us are going to be able to figure out which ones are genuine and which ones aren't (bar the "toughest opponent over" lines).
unless you can prove that they don't have what superman said they did, then we have to take him at his word.
also, it wasn't superman that complimented kalibak. it was the narrator, so...
most of those, yes. he doesn't have a healing factor on par with most of those, so he needs the durability to keep him on the level he's on.
Kalibak has no speed feats, thats proof enough for me. Him tagging superman is irrelevant because bricks tends to tag supes anyway.
Due to Wolverine showings imo he can cut Kalibak up and pretty easily.
Originally posted by TheKahn
And I can name numerous fights were it doesn't happen. Thats my point. Its so inconsistent that it makes Wolverine debates hair pullingly frustrating. Many Wolverine fans will fight you to the death before first admitting that a single high tier punch is enough to BFR Wolverine by citing the many cases where it hasn't happened.
Originally posted by TheKahn
Next, if you do get them to accept that Skaar, Hulk, Gorgan, and other such characters can BFR Wolverine, then they argue that Wolverine too fast for his opponent to hit him.
Originally posted by TheKahn
Then you have to start all over and point out all the times human-speed characters have in fact hit Logan and get them to accept that. It boarders on insanity.
Originally posted by TheKahn
I like Wolverine. He's one of my favorite characters going back to the 90's cartoon when I first got into comics. But his popularity has seemed to grossly exaggerate what the character logically should be able to do. Now he can take a nuclear explosion point blank and walk away (with even his clothing intact!), he can be dipped in a tank of molten metal, climb out, and walk away, and he apparently now is capable to taking down Superman and Thor level gods. Its just beyond me to be honest.