Thor vs Wonder Woman (Pure H2H Slugfest)

Originally posted by khazra
She's never hurt superman with a punch significantly, ever.

Surviving doesnt make her on that level. If i survive getting stabbed it doesnt mean im now = someone with a knife.

Not dodging lasers 😮 Cap's done that, hawkmans done that etc. in teh fight i posted he showed hismelf to be on a completely different level of speed.

Ok....but she just doesnt have the feats to prove it? When she fights usperman equally, she is his equal. Not when she gets beat down in minutes. Has she even drawn blood with anything but magical weapons?

She's not that fast. Clayface tagged her more in one fight than he's ever tagged batman. Hell, she's flat out stated that deathstroke is faster than her & slade goes blow for blow with the batfamily.
Thor has swung mjolnir at 4x light speed & has been said to be faster than the lightening he commands on panel.

The point isnt who's faster, the point is that theres not such a big difference that shes going to be landing 10 punches for everyone of his or vice versa.

I also don't recall captain america dodging a laser at point blank range. Your examples do not sit well with me. You seem to argue from a point of dislike for a character instead of from comics. This means your debate is thus flawed.

Originally posted by Zeuodin
I've seen nothing to suggest Thor is stronger than Wonder Woman. Superman is stronger than both. But not by much.

Originally posted by khazra
The point isnt who's faster, the point is that theres not such a big difference that shes going to be landing 10 punches for everyone of his or vice versa.

Do yourself an favour, go to WW respect thread and search for the fight. Read, comprehend, then we will talk again, kk? 🙂

I give you an clue. In this fight, she defeated Superman 🙂. tech. ko.

Oh yes, and her physical attacks made Superman bleed. Blood from his mouth.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I read it. Supes almost throws her into the sun she defends herself and gets ko'd briefly and wakes up when she re enters the atmosphere.

She then gets her wrist snapped and has to use his senses against him. She clangs his eardrums and uses birds distract her as she goes after Lord who mindcontrolled Supes into doing so.

The point is she can't take Supes on and trade blows as he is out of her league.

Superman has had fits with Daxamites.

CM has stalemated Superman on more than one occasion.

protex was beat Superman until Superman used the fire of the earth's core to weaken Superman

So by proxy, the same beings or types Superman has fought, Diana has done well against.

Until they have a real fight were both are not being mind controlled, it's only logical to go by their fights with similar opponents.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Do yourself an favour, go to WW respect thread and search for the fight. Read, comprehend, then we will talk again, kk? 🙂

I give you an clue. In this fight, she defeated Superman 🙂. tech. ko.

Originally posted by Zeuodin
i didn't think she was trying to trade blows with Superman. She has traded blows with martians, CM, Superwoman, and a daxamite.

Superman has had fits with Daxamites.

CM has stalemated Superman on more than one occasion.

protex was beat Superman until Superman used the fire of the earth's core to weaken Superman

So by proxy, the same beings or types Superman has fought, Diana has done well against.

Until they have a real fight were both are not being mind controlled, it's only logical to go by their fights with similar opponents.

Superman doesn't snap his wrist and easily ko him, but he can do so if he nails WW.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again, Captain Marvel is a peer of Superman's WW isn't.

Superman doesn't snap his wrist and easily ko him, but he can do so if he nails WW.

Originally posted by Zeuodin
I've seen nothing to suggest Thor is stronger than Wonder Woman. Superman is stronger than both. But not by much.

Superman/thor/WWH/majestic/BrB/hercules etc all have feats to put them well out her strength range.

Hell, Orin and sentry are 2 of the most dumped on characters going and both have better lifting feats.

Zeuodin, is this the first time you had a "debate" with Quan?

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Zeuodin, is this the first time you had a "debate" with Quan?

Originally posted by khazra
Wonderwoman's single best lifting strength feat post-crisis is holding up a collapsing bridge with some cars on it.
Thor's is lifting up a seprent that was big enough to circle the planet more than once.
If your not seeing anything to suggest thor's stronger, youve gone blind.

Superman/thor/WWH/majestic/BrB/hercules etc all have feats to put them well out her strength range.

Hell, Orin and sentry are 2 of the most dumped on characters going and both have better lifting feats.

Originally posted by khazra
Wonderwoman's single best lifting strength feat post-crisis is holding up a collapsing bridge with some cars on it.
Thor's is lifting up a seprent that was big enough to circle the planet more than once.
If your not seeing anything to suggest thor's stronger, youve gone blind.

Superman/thor/WWH/majestic/BrB/hercules etc all have feats to put them well out her strength range.

Hell, Orin and sentry are 2 of the most dumped on characters going and both have better lifting feats.

Originally posted by Zeuodin
You aren't giving me examples of anything. You give me nothing to actually debate. you make these statements. you don't refute my points with evidence. How can I debate with you if you don't debate correctly? You are using one example when I gave the many. You didn't refute them. You just keep giving one example. I cannot debate with you any further. I'm sorry. My debate coach would kill me for wasting my time like this.

WW is very strong but if she trades blows with Thor, Superman, Captain Marvel, or Hulk in a straight slugfest she will lose every single time.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Zeuodin, is this the first time you had a "debate" with Quan?

Originally posted by quanchi112
You are going on a rant about abc logic when WW has never been a peer to Superman or Captain Marvel in strength. Thor is at the top of his universe's food chain among top tiers right up there with the Hulk.

WW is very strong but if she trades blows with Thor, Superman, Captain Marvel, or Hulk in a straight slugfest she will lose every single time. You really have no idea do you?

Originally posted by quanchi112
She cut his throat later on after she fled the scene. I have the comic it's issue 219. My point still stands. 😉

Because she didn't want to kill him. She was after max, and holding back. When Supes came she took him out for good. He wasn't able to do anything, so she won 😉.

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1230189_job94sk/

He bleeds here, after the punch. On the next page you see it even better, but it isn't uploaded.

Scroll down for the fight, there are though two pages missing, i have the comic in front of me.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=495714&pagenumber=2

superman hasnt had fits with daxamites. He's shown himself to be considerably more powerful.

Dont act like i havent read the fight. I dont get how you can call that a victory for WW, she was never in any danger of winning. EVER. She basically said all she could do was hold him off.

The white martians diana beat were assuming specific roles in a JLA like team, restricting themsleves. Protex was assuming the superman like role (ie leader/most powerful) & was the most atstically apt of the hyperclan. Thereby he peformed better than other members by a long way.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Because she didn't want to kill him. She was after max, and holding back. When Supes came she took him out for good. He wasn't able to do anything, so she won 😉.

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1230189_job94sk/

He bleeds here, after the punch. On the next page you see it even better, but it isn't uploaded.

Scroll down for the fight, there are though two pages missing, i have the comic in front of me.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=495714&pagenumber=2

I've seen this plenty of times. WW cannot defeat Superman by trading blows. She needs to rely on her skill and fight efficiently and user her gear. He's too strong for her were they to trade blows.

Originally posted by khazra
superman hasnt had fits with daxamites. He's shown himself to be considerably more powerful.

Dont act like i havent read the fight. I dont get how you can call that a victory for WW, she was never in any danger of winning. EVER. She basically said all she could do was hold him off.

The white martians diana beat were assuming specific roles in a JLA like team, restricting themsleves. Protex was assuming the superman like role (ie leader/most powerful) & was the most atstically apt of the hyperclan. Thereby he peformed better than other members by a long way.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, she can still damage him and despite holding back. He already temporarily ko'd once and snapped her wrist.

I've seen this plenty of times. WW cannot defeat Superman by trading blows. She needs to rely on her skill and fight efficiently and user her gear. He's too strong for her were they to trade blows.

So we agree, she can dmg him physically and with her gear. She can counter his "superior" strength with her h2h skills and her combat speed. This fight is against someone who isn't as fast as superman, and not as skilled as wonderwoman. So she wins. pretty simple.

She never stated in this fight that she can't kill him, only that she is holding back because he isn't the enemy. To deny this is just ridiculous, honestly.

What about that asteroid gives you the impression that it's world destroying?

When thor lifts the sperpent he does it from standing. Thereby its pure strength.

She is supporting a wieght whilst flying up towards it. That doesnt require any level of superstrength, it requires thrust & the necessary durability to not be crushed.