Originally posted by quanchi112
No, you didn't say that. Thor wins based on the fact he's stronger than her and has the skill level and durability to weather her attacks and counter.
I don't think so. Their strength levels are comparable but the advantage WW has in speed and skill means that she will block and land more hits than he will. I don't think he will be the one countering.
If Thor had Mjolnir and all his powers, I would give him the win. But in a H2H fight, Diana wins.
Originally posted by SasaraixxIyo. Supes still easily snapped her wrist. She isn't a peer to heavyweights such as Thor, Superman, Hulk in terms of strength.
I don't think so. Their strength levels are comparable but the advantage WW has in speed and skill means that she will block and land more hits than he will. I don't think he will be the one countering.If Thor had Mjolnir and all his powers, I would give him the win. But in a H2H fight, Diana wins.
Thor has beaten badasses while depowered with his fists. he went toe to toe with the Hulk for hours. WW doesn't have the strength to get the win based on what Thor has gone up against in the past.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Iyo. Supes still easily snapped her wrist. She isn't a peer to heavyweights such as Thor, Superman, Hulk in terms of strength.Thor has beaten badasses while depowered with his fists. he went toe to toe with the Hulk for hours. WW doesn't have the strength to get the win based on what Thor has gone up against in the past.
"Iyo?" Don't be childish. Unless you can show me scans proving otherwise, I stand behind the fact that WW is both faster and more skilled.
As far as strength, she has plenty of strength to KO Thor. Your wrist argument is tired and old and has nothing to do with her strength levels. WW had enough strength to hurt Supes (even while holding back). And before you resort to your equally tired "trickery" argument, let me cut you off right now. She hit him. He was hurt. End of story.
Superman himself has said she hits like Captain Marvel. Unless you're willing to argue that he isn't strong enough to get a win either, then I think that level of strength is all she needs.
Originally posted by SasaraixxShe is faster, but not fast enough to dance all around Thor by any means. She is still able to be ko'd by a hard Thor punch just like he was against Superman
"Iyo?" Don't be childish. Unless you can show me scans proving otherwise, I stand behind the fact that WW is both faster and more skilled.As far as strength, she has plenty of strength to KO Thor. Your wrist argument is tired and old and has nothing to do with her strength levels. WW had enough strength to hurt Supes (even while holding back). And before you resort to your equally tired "trickery" argument, let me cut you off right now. She hit him. He was hurt. End of story.
Superman himself has said she hits like Captain Marvel. Unless you're willing to argue that he isn't strong enough to get a win either, then I think that level of strength is all she needs.
That does actually have to do with strength levels. Peers don't snap each other's wrists easily in combat at full power. Thor went toe to toe with the Hulk who gets stronger every time he gets angrier. He still never ko'd Thor despite Thor being hammerless.
I never said she couldn't her Thor I said she couldn't ko him. She didn't ko Superman either. That's the point you keep missing.
Thor can weather her storm if the Hulk only manages to piss him off.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, you didn't say that. Thor wins based on the fact he's stronger than her and has the skill level and durability to weather her attacks and counter.
Quan, you make only bold claims without proving them.
Ignoring everything the people show you, scans, feats. You pick only those appearances which favour your point and ignore EVERYTHING else. By the Rules I though we take everyone at his best?
It's rather pointless to talk with you. Like talk to someone who holds his ears, closes his eyes and shouts what he believes to be true 🙁.
That's just....sad 😬
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeIt's just sad when someone is so angry they attack someone on a personal level over comics. I mean it really is.
Quan, you make only bold claims without proving them.
Ignoring everything the people show you, scans, feats. You pick only those appearances which favour your point and ignore EVERYTHING else. By the Rules I though we take everyone at his best?It's rather pointless to talk with you. Like talk to someone who holds his ears, closes his eyes and shouts what he believes to be true 🙁.
That's just....sad 😬
Everything I say is backed by the comics.
Thor is stronger than WW and has taken on the strongest there is without his hammer and hasn't been ko'd. Supes has easily slapped WW around in the right state of mind and also briefly ko'd her in number 219. He also snapped her wrist which he can't do against Captain Marvel or Black Adam as they are true peers.
Originally posted by quanchi112
She is faster, but not fast enough to dance all around Thor by any means. She is still able to be ko'd by a hard Thor punch just like he was against SupermanThat does actually have to do with strength levels. Peers don't snap each other's wrists easily in combat at full power. Thor went toe to toe with the Hulk who gets stronger every time he gets angrier. He still never ko'd Thor despite Thor being hammerless.
I never said she couldn't her Thor I said she couldn't ko him. She didn't ko Superman either. That's the point you keep missing.
Thor can weather her storm if the Hulk only manages to piss him off.
And the point you still can't seem to understand is that she wasn't trying to KO him. Please show me at any instance in that fight where she was going for a KO. You won't be able to because she wasn't.
And I don't believe Thor is as strong as Superman. He isn't KO'ing her with one punch. And the speed difference is important because it is coupled with her superior skill and reflexes. Diana will be deflecting/evading a lot of his attacks. Unlike that Superman fight, she doesn't have to worry about dealing with Heat Vision at the same time.
The wrist says nothing about her strength. Durability perhaps, but not strength. You are using that to prove something it cannot.
And Hulk isn't nearly as fast or as skilled as Diana. That isn't a good comparison to draw.
And I'm still waiting for your reply to my other arguments.
Originally posted by quanchi112Everything I say is backed by the comics.
No. Very little of what you say is backed by comics. It's just your interpretation of the events that have transpired. They are in no way definitive. The fact that you believe WW is strong enough to KO him is ludicrous. Sure, you can think she might now win, but not strong enough? Let's be real.
God I wish Gail would right this fight!
Originally posted by quanchi112
It's just sad when someone is so angry they attack someone on a personal level over comics. I mean it really is.Everything I say is backed by the comics.
Thor is stronger than WW and has taken on the strongest there is without his hammer and hasn't been ko'd. Supes has easily slapped WW around in the right state of mind and also briefly ko'd her in number 219. He also snapped her wrist which he can't do against Captain Marvel or Black Adam as they are true peers.
I'm sorry if you feel offended, it's not my intention.
Prove that Thor is stronger? You can't. WW hold on the Spectre, you can't dismiss that feat. He has slapped her, she has send him flying too, there is no difference. He has briefly Koed her, she has kicked him hard enough to put him ooc long enough to call some freaking birds, they aren't as fast as supes btw.
Prove that he can't do that against CM or BA? You can't, you know why, because he never tried. You just claim, you prove NOTHING while IGNORING everything else.
It's pointless, I should stop, I just feel so sorry.... I dunno.
I wish you all the best Quan, nevermind, just comics, nothing serious.
Originally posted by SasaraixxWW was trying to get away from Superman to but herself enough time to get to the source of the problem, Lord.
And the point you still can't seem to understand is that she wasn't trying to KO him. Please show me at any instance in that fight where she was going for a KO. You won't be able to because she wasn't.And I don't believe Thor is as strong as Superman. He isn't KO'ing her with one punch. And the speed difference is important because it is coupled with her superior skill and reflexes. Diana will be deflecting/evading a lot of his attacks. Unlike that Superman fight, she doesn't have to worry about dealing with Heat Vision at the same time.
The wrist says nothing about her strength. Durability perhaps, but not strength. You are using that to prove something it cannot.
And Hulk isn't nearly as fast or as skilled as Diana. That isn't a good comparison to draw.
And I'm still waiting for your reply to my other arguments.
She would have ko'd him if she could have. She also had to sneak up on him because in a straight up battle we have seen how she fares. A punch temporarily ko'd her and we have also seen Superman b----slap her.
Thor needs one or two maybe good solid punches. The only chance WW has ever had against Thor is her lasso and taking it away seals her doom. She is faster, but not fast enough to ko Thor. His reflexes are very good as well.
The wrist is an indication of strength. I can't believe you don't comprehend the obvious. Peers don't snap each other's wrists easily in combat. We have seen Thor trade blows with the Hulk and been raging for more after hours. That means a stronger foe has wailed on him for a very long time and he wouldn't fall so WW's chances are slim to none. She doesn't pack the heat Hulk does not can she get stronger the angrier she gets like the Hulk has. Thor is walking into these punches as well.
My point was never that the Hulk fights the same as WW. Don't be so ignorant. My point has always been if a stronger character can wail on Thor for hours what chance does a much weaker character minus the Hulk's strength increase along with healing abilities have. Zero.
Thor breaks her.
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeBy comparison I can. Thor has went one on one with the Hulk and matched him in strength. WW can't match Superman in strength and he doesn't get stronger the madder he gets.
I'm sorry if you feel offended, it's not my intention.Prove that Thor is stronger? You can't. WW hold on the Spectre, you can't dismiss that feat. He has slapped her, she has send him flying too, there is no difference. He has briefly Koed her, she has kicked him hard enough to put him ooc long enough to call some freaking birds, they aren't as fast as supes btw.
Prove that he can't do that against CM or BA? You can't, you know why, because he never tried. You just claim, you prove NOTHING while IGNORING everything else.It's pointless, I should stop, I just feel so sorry.... I dunno.
I wish you all the best Quan, nevermind, just comics, nothing serious.
She can damage Supes or Thor, but not enough to win any fight. Sure, they are going to get some cuts and brusies, but they would both prevail over WW.
My point is Supes is a peer to Marvel and Black Adam in strength. He has always been superior to WW in strength. The narration and their fights back this up.
You should feel sorry for yourself not me. You are the one letting me inside your head over a simple disagreement.
I wish you the best of luck in not taking this stuff so personally and letting a simple disagreement not affect your overall day.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You should feel sorry for yourself not me. You are the one letting me inside your head over a simple disagreement.I wish you the best of luck in not taking this stuff so personally and letting a simple disagreement not affect your overall day.
Quan, I never let you into my head 😉 only into my heart 😍 *kiss*
And don't worry, I don't take it personally at all because after all, it's just comics.
"I read every claim you made, but you never proved anything. That's the point I read your opinions and it falls short against WW and her capabilities everytime."
BTW did you know that WWH neck was broken, by someone not nearly as strong as he is. He had some help, but still, an being as inferior in strength. Well, nevermind 😉. I give you now the last word, as I know you wish for it. 😄
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeWW Hulk was also weakened for them to be able to accomplish that feat. Context just bit you. When he returned to normal levels he healed immediately.
Quan, I never let you into my head 😉 only into my heart 😍 *kiss*And don't worry, I don't take it personally at all because after all, it's just comics.
"I read every claim you made, but you never proved anything. That's the point I read your opinions and it falls short against WW and her capabilities everytime."
BTW did you know that WWH neck was broken, by someone not nearly as strong as he is. He had some help, but still, an being as inferior in strength. Well, nevermind 😉. I give you now the last word, as I know you wish for it. 😄
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeSuperman also called Thor his best opponent ever. WW isn't a peer to Supes in strength but Thor is.
Just forgot something. WW humiliated Hercules during the official JLA/Avengers crossover. Herc does pretty well against Thor, and she broke Quasars forcfield, something even Count Nef had troubles with.🙂 WW Strength > Hercules who is = Thor. Maybe this helps the thread 😉.
Originally posted by quanchi112
WW was trying to get away from Superman to but herself enough time to get to the source of the problem, Lord.She would have ko'd him if she could have. She also had to sneak up on him because in a straight up battle we have seen how she fares. A punch temporarily ko'd her and we have also seen Superman b----slap her.
Thor needs one or two maybe good solid punches. The only chance WW has ever had against Thor is her lasso and taking it away seals her doom. She is faster, but not fast enough to ko Thor. His reflexes are very good as well.
The wrist is an indication of strength. I can't believe you don't comprehend the obvious. Peers don't snap each other's wrists easily in combat. We have seen Thor trade blows with the Hulk and been raging for more after hours. That means a stronger foe has wailed on him for a very long time and he wouldn't fall so WW's chances are slim to none. She doesn't pack the heat Hulk does not can she get stronger the angrier she gets like the Hulk has. Thor is walking into these punches as well.
My point was never that the Hulk fights the same as WW. Don't be so ignorant. My point has always been if a stronger character can wail on Thor for hours what chance does a much weaker character minus the Hulk's strength increase along with healing abilities have. Zero.
Thor breaks her. By comparison I can. Thor has went one on one with the Hulk and matched him in strength. WW can't match Superman in strength and he doesn't get stronger the madder he gets.
She can damage Supes or Thor, but not enough to win any fight. Sure, they are going to get some cuts and brusies, but they would both prevail over WW.
My point is Supes is a peer to Marvel and Black Adam in strength. He has always been superior to WW in strength. The narration and their fights back this up.
Everything that you just stated is based solely on your opinion. There is absolutely nothing in the comics that suggests Wonder Woman isn't strong enough to KO Thor. Look what one kick from her did to Superman, when she was holding back. There is no way she doesn't have the strength necessary to deal with him.
And don't throw around the term ignorant or I may have to throw it right back at you. How hard someone can punch is not directly related to their bones being broken - especially when we are dealing with MAGICAL characters.
You keep throwing around this term "peers" when I've already told you that Superman himself has placed Diana's punch strength right along with Captain Marvel's. So again, unless you think Marel isn't strong enough to KO Thor, then you're going to have to do better than that.
And if I had time, I would dig up old posts of yours when you said an all out Superman couldn't put down WW. You fix in your mind what you want the answer to be and then twist fights to make them say what you want. That is part of the reason I keep you on ignore. I check in every now and then to see if you're spouting the same nonsense, and surprise! You are.
I have no problem with people arguing that Thor wins. But claiming WW doesn't have the requisite strength to deal with him is laughable.
Diana is faster, a better fighter, has much better reflexes and they are roughly the same strength. She wins imo.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Superman also called Thor his best opponent ever. WW isn't a peer to Supes in strength but Thor is.