Thor vs Wonder Woman (Pure H2H Slugfest)

Originally posted by Zeuodin
What the hell are you talking about? CM's durability is what makes him hard to KO. He Ko's Superman because of his magic amped punches. Superman himself has stated that CM and Wonder Woman punch the same. You are trying to use mind controlled JLAers in hell as a feat for CM? And you want to ignore that history is not on your side.

Let's see.

Superman did not do well against Protex until He used heat. Flash had to Imp a white martian in order to KO him. All the others were KO'd by fire of some kind. Except Wonder Woman. She beat her White martian hand to hand.

Wonder Woman Stalemated CM before her upgrades. He was doing a lil better than her, but that was before 2 upgrades. Unless CM has gotten Upgrades, I'd say he and WW are pretty even in terms of strength.

I posted a scan of Superman and Wondy holding the Spectre and you want to speculate that She was struggling more than Superman? Well How about I speculate that CM was struggling more than Superman when they held the book of infinite pages. There. You see how easy that was. I just did what you did.

-He can KO Superman because his baseline punching power is equal to Superman's. AND he can supercharge those punches further with magic.

-Why not use a mind controlled JLA? I'm talking purely physical abilities here and not fighting skill. The mind control didn't affect WW's strength did it? No.

-...Didn't Supes have to save her from being drowned by a white martian? 😬
Supes owned plenty of those.

-Character statement huh? It matters not when its obviously a case of a writer opinion that conflicts with everything else that's been shown. And what's been shown is that Marvel can hurt Superman with strikes more than Wonder Woman can.

-Upgrades for CM? Don't know of them being explicitly stated, but he's always on par with current mainstream Superman, so it doesn't matter.

-Except your counter statement doesn't have weight. Wonder Woman has never been depicted as Supes' equal in strength. A close, but no cigar at best. Marvel on the other hand has stalemated Superman in arm wrestling and DC has always gone out of their way to state them as complete equals. Thus, he gets the benefit of the doubt that she can not yet afford.

Again, logically she can't be their equal in ability because if she were she would easily stomp them in a fight coupling it with her extensive skill. And she obviously can't do that.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
-He can KO Superman because his baseline punching power is equal to Superman's. AND he can supercharge those punches further with magic.

-...Didn't Supes have to save her from being drowned by a white martian? 😬
Supes owned plenty of those.

-Character statement huh? It matters not when its obviously a case of a writer opinion that conflicts with everything else that's been shown. And what's been shown is that Marvel can hurt Superman with strikes more than Wonder Woman can.

-Upgrades for CM? Don't know of them being explicitly stated, but he's always on par with current mainstream Superman, so it doesn't matter.

-Except your counter statement doesn't have weight. Wonder Woman has never been depicted as Supes' equal in strength. A close, but no cigar at best. Marvel on the other hand has stalemated Superman in arm wrestling and DC has always gone out of their way to state them as complete equals. Thus, he gets the benefit of the doubt that she can not yet afford.

Cm is not Superman's Equal. If you are going to use their fights as such then I can use fights wonder woman has had with CM and other beings like Superman or like beings Superman has fought to put her on an even playing field with them strength wise. I've never said she was superman's equal. neither is CM. He is as strong as either. And more durable than both. magical amped punches. He falls short of both of them on speed and reflex time. marvel hurts Superman because of his magical amping ability. His punches did far less dmg to Wonder Woman than they do to Superman. As for Superman rescuing Diana from A white martian, surely we aren't talking about canon fodder Martians. I"m talking about the Hyperclan specifically. Superman could not beat his without fire while Wonder Wonder Woman was the Only one to beat a white martian with no fire in that story beside flash who used an IMP.

Lol I just now saw your post.

-CM has more claim to being Supes' equal than anyone.

-I don't have to just refer to their fights. There are also non combat feats and more on panel references to his equality than any other being can claim.

-You still want to compare WW/Supes fights to CM/Supes? They play out completely differently. WW fights deftly and cleverly against Supes. CM and Supes often lock up in tests of strength with no visible winner and CM has even restrained Superman. Diana can not fight Supes the same way Cap does and is not depicted doing this.

-'Falls short' of both on speed and reflex time? Bullshit. Unlike Wonder Woman, Cap hasn't ever been depicted as slower than Supes. And almost every time he and Supes fight Cap often gets the better of the boxing portions. His reflex times are on par with Supes just as he is on every other facet. But I will give you that reflexes are the one thing Diana equals or maybe even slightly surpasses them in.

-CM's normal unamped punches hurt Diana just as much as Superman's punches hurt Diana. WW is resistant to magic, but not nigh immune like Cap, so his magic amped punches would still cause more damage than his normal ones. CM would have an easier time KO'ing Diana than he would KO'ing Supes because her durability is lower.

-The whole point of your argument that Diana would beat Thor is due to your argument that she can fight evenly Superman. Don't backtrack from that now. But she's already been ko'd by an enraged Superman. CIS turned off, Thor goes Warrior Madness and does the same to her.

i think thor would probably pull it out in the end........

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Lol I just now saw your post.

-CM has more claim to being Supes' equal than anyone.

-I don't have to just refer to their fights. There are also non combat feats and more on panel references to his equality than any other being can claim.

-You still want to compare WW/Supes fights to CM/Supes? They play out completely differently. WW fights deftly and cleverly against Supes. CM and Supes often lock up in tests of strength with no visible winner and CM has even restrained Superman. Diana can not fight Supes the same way Cap does and is not depicted doing this.

-'Falls short' of both on speed and reflex time? Bullshit. Unlike Wonder Woman, Cap hasn't ever been depicted as slower than Supes. And almost every time he and Supes fight Cap often gets the better of the boxing portions. His reflex times are on par with Supes just as he is on every other facet. But I will give you that reflexes are the one thing Diana equals or maybe even slightly surpasses them in.

-CM's normal unamped punches hurt Diana just as much as Superman's punches hurt Diana. WW is resistant to magic, but not nigh immune like Cap, so his magic amped punches would still cause more damage than his normal ones. CM would have an easier time KO'ing Diana than he would KO'ing Supes because her durability is lower.

-The whole point of your argument that Diana would beat Thor is due to your argument that she can fight evenly Superman. Don't backtrack from that now. But she's already been ko'd by an enraged Superman. CIS turned off, Thor goes Warrior Madness and does the same to her.

This the best you got? Wonder Woman has Never fought Superman offensively. She rarely fights offensive even in her own comic. That's against the nature of the character. Diana's Blunt force Durability seems to be up there with the best of them. Unless you think being punched by a guy who knocked out Superman doesn't count. or how about being knocked around the globe by Zoom? Or I could go on and on. I've stated why I think CM is Superman's equal. It's his over all Durability. Oh and no way Cm can be as fast as Superman when He gets his speed from Mercury. Who was shown to be the equal of hermes. Who gives his speed to Diana. Yup there you go. Thor could go warrior madness on Wonder Woman and then he'd just be a rabid dog moving in slow motion to her instead of a smart guy moving in slow motion.

lol at the slow motion statements

Originally posted by Zeuodin
Wonder Woman has Never fought Superman offensively.

Wut?

I think he's trying to say that Diana has never started the fight or thrown the first punch, just in defense of getting attacked.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I think he's trying to say that Diana has never started the fight or thrown the first punch, just in defense of getting attacked.

Which would be incorrect.

I might be wrong but why do I keep thinking nvr?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I might be wrong but why do I keep thinking nvr?

I was too.

Originally posted by Zeuodin
Thor beats WW with all his powers. Like 8/10. I don't see him beating her in just a brawl.

Originally posted by batdude123
Wut?

Originally posted by nicamarvin
do you think she could do better than Thor against a brick like Juggernaut or Mangog?.... 😕

Originally posted by Zeuodin
meaning attitude wise. She doesn't just go around picking fights. She usually wants some other desired end.

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Originally posted by batdude123
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Originally posted by Zeuodin
That makes no sense. How can she do better against those types of bricks when they have such high resists and have to be defeated by plot device means?

Originally posted by Zeuodin
Wasn't that for a desired end? It wasn't just to go picking fights was it? That is what I said right? She just doesn't go around picking fights. Yeah. that is what I said. 😉

Lmao.

Originally posted by Zeuodin
Wonder Woman has Never fought Superman offensively.

Originally posted by Zeuodin
Wasn't that for a desired end? It wasn't just to go picking fights was it? That is what I said right? She just doesn't go around picking fights. Yeah. that is what I said. 😉

but there still Wondys speed ! that coud be big problem for Thor. his superor durablity aint gonna help if he cant even touch her 🙁