Who can beat Zoom?

Started by Bentley16 pages

Reed with prep stomps Zoom so hard he becomes Kid Flash.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
- I wonder how many of Zoom's punches are superman level punches. Did Power Girl take a million of them? Did the random Amazon take a hundred? Zoom would never -ever- hit Xavier with a superman level punch. He hit Batman and Superman an equal amount of times, were all his punches the same strength?

- No matter what degree of control Zoom has over himself, he still exists in our timeline

for the sake of the plot, zoom *obviously* isn't going to hit everyone he encounters with superman+ punches. however, the fact that he is more than capable of doing such tells me that in a PIS-free environment, it is certainly something he would be doing.

false. zoom exists in his own personal time bubble, which is completely divergent from the 'normal' time line.

i was going to say Thanos... However, I believe him to be low skyfatherish so I won't 😄 😛

Originally posted by Galan007
for the sake of the plot, zoom *obviously* isn't going to hit everyone he encounters with superman+ punches. however, the fact that he is more than capable of doing such tells me that in a PIS-free environment, it is certainly something he would be doing.

false. zoom exists in his own personal time bubble, which is completely divergent from the 'normal' time line.

Why would he? Zoom doesn't kill people. It has absolutely -nothing- to do with the plot, that's how he is. Call it JIS then, Johns Induced Stupidity. Zoom doesn't just kill. There's no reason why he would turn a human to goo. Zoom is not a monster. CIS and PIS are completely different things.

He can still be touched, he exists here alongside us. By Marvel timeline logic, there is no way that we could see him and he could exist in another timeline or time bubble. But okay, my point was that he exists here, on DC earth/The arena which they fight.

CIS is actually on if not stated otherwise, and actually losing CIS is making the character almost entirely different.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Why would he? Zoom doesn't kill people. It has absolutely -nothing- to do with the plot, that's how he is. Call it JIS then, Johns Induced Stupidity. Zoom doesn't just kill. There's no reason why he would turn a human to goo. Zoom is not a monster. CIS and PIS are completely different things.

He can still be touched, he exists here alongside us. By Marvel timeline logic, there is no way that we could see him and he could exist in another timeline or time bubble. But okay, my point was that he exists here, on DC earth/The arena which they fight.

so the stips of this thread are that zoom will be going easy on everyone he faces, and will not be utilizing his abilities to their max? pretty sure that's not how the rules work, but whatevs.

zoom syncing himself with the normal time line, doesn't change the fact that he still exists in a divergent time bubble. point being: no matter how fast xavier thinks, his thoughts are still contained to the normal time line - whereas zoom is WELL ahead of it [ie. xavier could never react fast enough to harm zoom, unless he pulls some sort of time manipulation power out of his ass.]

The stips can be either/or, I imagined people would chime in CIS or not. If Zoom is CIS he wouldn't really completely kill anybody, not even someone like Spiderman, but we can use that as a point, but you can discuss it any way you like.

Ok so what we have discussed is:

Runner, Despero, Surfer, Xavier, Thanos.

Surfer, Stardust,

So Surfer can beat him with CIS off?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
So Surfer can beat him with CIS off?

I think CIS off favors the surfer quite frankly.

loa

Originally posted by Naija boy
I think CIS off favors the surfer quite frankly.
So Surfer can destroy the battleground? Would he get the chance with Zoom's CIS off?

Originally posted by Naija boy
Surfer, Stardust,

No. Surfer would be dead before his nano second reactions could do anything. Stronger Than Superman punches at millions of times. He'd be a pile of silver egg shells.

Originally posted by Zeuodin
No. Surfer would be dead before his nano second reactions could do anything. Stronger Than Superman punches at millions of times. He'd be a pile of silver egg shells.

Give it a break Nvr.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Give it a break Nvr.

What the hell kind of grammar is that? Are you saying never give it a break? Are you telling me I can't give my opinion never? Be more specific.

Originally posted by Zeuodin
No. Surfer would be dead before his nano second reactions could do anything. Stronger Than Superman punches at millions of times. He'd be a pile of silver egg shells.

Hilarious..
Originally posted by Zeuodin
What the hell kind of grammar is that? Are you saying never give it a break? Are you telling me I can't give my opinion never? Be more specific.

I chuckled a bit...

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
So can Xavier's telepathy, a hell of a lot faster.

He can traverse galaxies in like a second 😐

Probably so. But it takes time to initiate the telepathy. But after it is initiated then it is very fast indeed.

It is all very quick, but there is a time delay in it, as we discussed in Flash vs Xavier: 123 go! That was 4 years ago.

Originally posted by Zeuodin
No. Surfer would be dead before his nano second reactions could do anything. Stronger Than Superman punches at millions of times. He'd be a pile of silver egg shells.

madness....

Originally posted by h1a8
Probably so. But it takes time to initiate the telepathy. But after it is initiated then it is very fast indeed.

Bingo.

Give Xavier the chance to attack and Zoom is done for. Odds are, Zoom would play around.