Warrior madness Thor vs WW3 Black Adam (fist fight only)

Originally posted by quanchi112
The guy was just taking them all on at once though. He was said to have been amped so he was slightly greater than regular BA despite his facing melting.

He was koing people left and right. Most top tiers can't just take on all these characters just blitzing him though. He also let MM off the hook and it later cost him.

Taking them all on is suppose to be impressive? They attacked him in waves first of all, and the most powerful members were completely ineffective.

Alan Scott, Guy Gardner, John, Firestorm, Dr. Light all tried to attack him physically and were taken out. Why on Earth would characters with those kind of power sets try to slug it out with him is beyond me.

The only people that I actually know the name off that he attacked at the same time and had superhuman stats that were over like Class 1 were Power Girl and Atom Smasher. Everybody else seemed to just float there or take turns from what I remember.

Knocking out, people with human level durability is not impressive.

Yes they can. I'll take on quality over quantity, and formidability over simple numbers anyday. Thor knocking around Warlock and Norrin is more impressive than anything Adam did in that arc.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Taking them all on is supposed to be impressive? They attacked him in waves first of all, and the most powerful members were completely ineffective.

Alan Scott, Guy Gardner, John, Firestorm, Dr. Light all tried to attack him physically and were taken out.

The only people that I actually know the name off that he attacked at the same time were Power Girl and Atom Smasher. Everybody else seemed to just float there or take turns from what I understand.

Knocking out, people with human level durability is not impressive.

Yes they can. I'' take on quality over quantity, and formidability over simple power anyday. Thor knocked around Warlock and Norrin is more impressive than anything Adam did in that arc.

The only reason he was defeated also was due to MM messing with his head after BA gave him a pass and Marvel depowering him.

I already said it was, but don't act like BA's showing wasn't impressive. If you compare it to blood and thunder of course it doesn't stand up, but that was one of the most impressive showings ever by a top tier.

Note that Alan Scott has tried to choke physically superior opponents on at least 3 occasions. Black Adam once and Superboy Prime twice.

WHAT THE HELL OLD MAN!

Originally posted by khazra
Class 80 (supposedly, dont think he has anything to support it) hourman couldnt take out a legit top tier on his own?
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Android Hourman?

Originally posted by quanchi112
The fact that this many characters were getting there asses kicked in packs was impressive. The guy destroyed an entire country and the entire world was freaking out over one guy. He wasn't smart about it either and welcomed them all.

The only reason he was defeated also was due to MM messing with his head after BA gave him a pass and Marvel depowering him.

I already said it was, but don't act like BA's showing wasn't impressive. If you compare it to blood and thunder of course it doesn't stand up, but that was one of the most impressive showings ever by a top tier.

Not really. Colossus would do just as well, if Green Lanterns tried to attack him physically as well. It's not impressive at all, taking on opponents with human level abilities and then taking on Power Girl, Donna Troy, and Atom Smasher while going all out. Especially when you compare it to beings such as Superman orThor.

By destroy an entire country, you mean kill the entire population that was made up of the average humans? That's NOT impressive at all.

And the heroes not having his mentality also contributed. John flat out stated, there were people stronger, faster, more powerful (Which is once again not impressive.), and Black Adam simply fought with no intention of holding back, every blow meant to kill. Not impressive.

There was nothing impressive about it. If I stated that Black Adam took on Alan Scott, Guy Gardner, John Stewart, Firestorm, Dr. Light, Jay Garrick, Power Girl, etc. at the same time of course it sounds impressive. If you see the actual scans of said instance it is not impressive at all. Far from it. Nothing any decent Class 100 couldn't accomplish.

The most powerful members all attacked him physically. The others? He took one by one and the only one he attacked at the same time were Atom Smasher and Power Girl as I recall. Not impressive at all, compared to Top Tiers.

WM thor

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Not really. Colossus would do just as well, if Green Lanterns tried to attack him physically as well. It's not impressive at all, taking on opponents with human level abilities and then taking on Power Girl, Donna Troy, and Atom Smasher while going all out. Especially when you compare it to beings such as Superman orThor.

By destroy an entire country, you mean kill the entire population that was made up of the average humans? That's NOT impressive at all.

And the heroes not having his mentality also contributed. John flat out stated, there were people stronger, faster, more powerful (Which is once again not impressive.), and Black Adam simply fought with no intention of holding back, every blow meant to kill. Not impressive.

There was nothing impressive about it. If I stated that Black Adam took on Alan Scott, Guy Gardner, John Stewart, Firestorm, Dr. Light, Jay Garrick, Power Girl, etc. at the same time of course it sounds impressive. If you see the actual scans of said instance it is not impressive at all. Far from it. Nothing any decent Class 100 couldn't accomplish.

The most powerful members all attacked him physically. The others? He took one by one and the only one he attacked at the same time were Atom Smasher and Power Girl as I recall. Not impressive at all, compared to Top Tiers.

The guy was still just fighting like a rabid animal and still winning. MM, Alan Scott, and Firestorm are credible threats and when you give them mass numbers look at the fact BA gave MM a free pass and you had to depower him to beat him I don't see how you can downplay it?

The didn't beat him into submission. The entire world was basically after this guy and it was just him against them all.

I think destroying the entire country was cool not that anyone else couldn't do it it's just they wouldn't do it. His ferocity is what impressed me.

Ok, if there are people stronger, faster, and more powerful then how isn't it impressive? If he's contending with an army of superheroes who are these things then how is him keeping up not impressive? You seem to want it both ways. You can't.

Who else has done so? Who else took on all these forces? You keep saying anyone could do it, but who has?

It was impressive you just ware being rather ridiculous here. I'd like some examples to of other top tiers taking on as many challengers as BA did while fighting solo.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You can sit hit and minimize him and downplay but it doesn't change a thing.

The guy was still just fighting like a rabid animal and still winning. MM, Alan Scott, and Firestorm are credible threats and when you give them mass numbers look at the fact BA gave MM a free pass and you had to depower him to beat him I don't see how you can downplay it?

The didn't beat him into submission. The entire world was basically after this guy and it was just him against them all.

I think destroying the entire country was cool not that anyone else couldn't do it it's just they wouldn't do it. His ferocity is what impressed me.

Ok, if there are people stronger, faster, and more powerful then how isn't it impressive? If he's contending with an army of superheroes who are these things then how is him keeping up not impressive? You seem to want it both ways. You can't.

Who else has done so? Who else took on all these forces? You keep saying anyone could do it, but who has?

It was impressive you just ware being rather ridiculous here. I'd like some examples to of other top tiers taking on as many challengers as BA did while fighting solo.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
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Why are you giving him the Thumbs up? He cited Alan Scott, who did not use his ring. Never saw any worthwhile matter manipulation from Firestorm and frankly, Martian Manhunter DID a great deal of damage. 😐

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Why are you giving him the Thumbs up? He cited Alan Scott, who did not use his ring. Never saw any worthwhile matter manipulation from Firestorm and frankly, Martian Manhunter DID a great deal of damage. 😐

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Not the facts so much as the spirit of it. Black Adam was a beast, even if a lot of the people who fought him were idiots.
If anything Martian Manhunter was finally living up to his potential when he fought BA.

How was Martian Manhunter living up to his potential dude?

He did not use phasing to avoid attacks, he did not really use his shapeshifting in a worthwhile way and I did not see any hint of his awesome healing abilities. Martian Manunter attacked and that was basically it, which made him seem impressive because nobody else really attacked. Gardner, Firestorm and Alan Scott did not really do anything in the fight.

If anything, the feats and scans that would hold this debate, would be the ones of regular Thor and regular Black Adam. Because their showings with these stipulations are few.

I'll give Adam's healing abilities some respect though, those were sick.

In the past, Scott has used constructs vs Adam and it did not a damn thing. This time would definitely be no different. Adam tossed Powergirl so hard and fast that he made her crack Guys ribs. As far as Firestorm goes, i dont think any of the Marvels can be effected by matter manipulation unless its magic.

The writing was a bit bleehh, just to make it seem more interesting. Manhunter saying that there were people there stronger, faster and more powerful than Adam isnt all true at all. Who there was stronger than Adam? Noone. Who there was faster? Not more than a hand full. More powerful, a few as well, but you have to take into consideration that some attack may not have any effect or affect at all.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You can sit hit and minimize him and downplay but it doesn't change a thing.

The guy was still just fighting like a rabid animal and still winning. MM, Alan Scott, and Firestorm are credible threats and when you give them mass numbers look at the fact BA gave MM a free pass and you had to depower him to beat him I don't see how you can downplay it?

The didn't beat him into submission. The entire world was basically after this guy and it was just him against them all.

I think destroying the entire country was cool not that anyone else couldn't do it it's just they wouldn't do it. His ferocity is what impressed me.

Ok, if there are people stronger, faster, and more powerful then how isn't it impressive? If he's contending with an army of superheroes who are these things then how is him keeping up not impressive? You seem to want it both ways. You can't.

Who else has done so? Who else took on all these forces? You keep saying anyone could do it, but who has?

It was impressive you just ware being rather ridiculous here. I'd like some examples to of other top tiers taking on as many challengers as BA did while fighting solo.

I'm not downplaying anything. I'm telling you like it happened.

Fighting like a rabid animal while his opponents were fighting like mental retards with their power sets. First of all Martian Manhunter never attacked Black Adam with anyone helping him. He attacked him twice, and did so alone as I recall. Having 5 characters, and only 1 with barely above human level durability attack you is NOT impressive. Without their power sets, Alan Scott, Dr. Light, Guy Gardner, and John Stewart, are NOT impressive. They are human. Firestorm is the only one with some enhanced durability and that's questionable at best as to what level, and Black Adam simply knocked him away.

I don't see how a bunch of heroes, attacking you, looking at the occurrence is impressive at all. They floated there while some attacked, the human level durability ones charged in and were put down. Then Power Girl etc. attacked him. It wasn't impressive at all to me. They could have. After a while Martian Manhunter came in, and rocked Adam's world in a single hit. Then Alan Scott flew in and was restraining him without any problem. He didn't seem to be going anywhere. Marvel flew in just at the right moment though.

Again, killing humans is not impressive. Him throwing a sissy feat isn't either. He was just blood lusted and back to his usual self before he tried to play the Anti-Hero/Hero role.

It's not impressive because being called weaker when the line up is made up of Power Girl, and Donna Troy in terms of physical prowess is just sad. And it's not impressive because the only characters who do impress me, attacked him as humans and were tripping over themselves. The only ones he went toe to toe with that I know the names of, were Power Girl, Atom Smasher, and Donna Troy. Steel once too I think dive bombed him but that's about it.

I could easily reference Deathstroke taking on the Justice League or Prometheus for one. Heck, Superman defeating the army of Doomsday clones with his heat vision impressed me more. Or Batman with Superman's powers taking on the Justice League(From Superman/Batman. Is that cannon?). The heroes were all extremely ineffective on all the examples I listed. It wasn't impressive. The heroes were just stupid. Although the Prometheus one was an impressive display of tactical knowledge.

No Top Tier has ever taken on these many heroes, and knocked them around, because no Top Tier would be able to, unless the heroes are fighting like mental retards. Hence why you have Deathstroke doing it, and not say

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'm not downplaying anything. I'm telling you like it happened.

Fighting like a rabid animal while his opponents were fighting like mental retards with their power sets. First of all Martian Manhunter never attacked Black Adam with anyone helping him. He attacked him twice, and did so alone as I recall. Having 5 characters, and only 1 with barely above human level durability attack you is NOT impressive. Without their power sets, Alan Scott, Dr. Light, Guy Gardner, and John Stewart, are NOT impressive. They are human. Firestorm is the only one with some enhanced durability and that's questionable at best as to what level, and Black Adam simply knocked him away.

I don't see how a bunch of heroes, attacking you, looking at the occurrence is impressive at all. They floated there while some attacked, the human level durability ones charged in and were put down. Then Power Girl etc. attacked him. It wasn't impressive at all to me. They could have. After a while Martian Manhunter came in, and rocked Adam's world in a single hit. Then Alan Scott flew in and was restraining him without any problem. He didn't seem to be going anywhere. Marvel flew in just at the right moment though.

Again, killing humans is not impressive. Him throwing a sissy feat isn't either. He was just blood lusted and back to his usual self before he tried to play the Anti-Hero/Hero role.

It's not impressive because being called weaker when the line up is made up of Power Girl, and Donna Troy in terms of physical prowess is just sad. And it's not impressive because the only characters who do impress me, attacked him as humans and were tripping over themselves. The only ones he went toe to toe with that I know the names of, were Power Girl, Atom Smasher, and Donna Troy. Steel once too I think dive bombed him but that's about it.

I could easily reference Deathstroke taking on the Justice League or Prometheus for one. Heck, Superman defeating the army of Doomsday clones with his heat vision impressed me more. Or Batman with Superman's powers taking on the Justice League(From Superman/Batman. Is that cannon?). The heroes were all extremely ineffective on all the examples I listed. It wasn't impressive. The heroes were just stupid. Although the Prometheus one was an impressive display of tactical knowledge.

No Top Tier has ever taken on these many heroes, and knocked them around, because no Top Tier would be able to, unless the heroes are fighting like mental retards. Hence why you have Deathstroke doing it, and not say

He gave MM a pass and let him back off of him. MM attacked his mind later which ended up being his downfall. The characters were throwing what they had at him despite the fact they didn't go page after page f them using their abilities the point was made very clear. Black Adam was a badass. The point wasn't his opposition is fighting like retards.

I didn't say the act itself was impressive I credited the sheer savagery and ferocity to carry out the deed was what impressed me.

They held onto him for what seemed like a brief moment to depower him. Don't act like had Marvel not interceded that BA wold have been unable to break free.

You seem to have missed the whole point of this arc and are fixated on downplaying the situation.

How isn't going toe to toe with these characters are everything else he went through not impressive as he was still standing? How wasn't it impressive that they had to depower him to beat him?

The same DD clones in which Batman took a few out? That impressed you more? Scrub clones that were created to die impressed you more than ww 3. That's hilarious and wrong on so many levels.

Deathstroke never took on a force like this.

I guess you can't give an example of an Orion or Superman level character in dc who has done the same, but there's the doomsday clone feat to make up for it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor stomping the Surfer and Warlock into the ground makes this feat look mild by comparison.

Android Hourman? A being that is above either Warlock or Surfer.