Originally posted by ColossusGrundy
You people discount Colossus too easily.If Colossus can take on the Hulk and hold his own he surely can take on Herc.
I see the Wolverine/Ares thing as more of a toss-up, I think Herc would get his butt owned by the big Russian.
Originally posted by KingD19Ares routinle takes down guys who can 1 shot wolverine
Herc is stronger and more durable than Colossus, but the tin man can hang with him long enough for Wolverine to jump into the fight. And Wolverine can take down Ares, he routinely takes down guys far stronger than Ares.
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Ares routinle takes down guys who can 1 shot wolverine
WWH couldn't one shot Wolverine, Skaar couldn't one shot Wolverine, even by kicking him across the state line and onto a tree. Red Hulk couldn't one shot Wolverine, Juggernaut couldn't one shot Wolverine, you get where I'm coming from?
And Colossus as a teenager(CL 70) took on, and temporarily ko'd Savage Hulk. He's held his own against Gladiator, Juggernaut, WWH, S'ym, etc....
Yes, Colossus may not be handing Herc his ass, but he can definitely hang with him for a while, and that's long enough for Wolverine to gut Ares, then come help. Or Wolverine could take on Herc from the get go, Colossus could knock Ares out, then go help him.
I was joking the notion that team 1 doesn't have a chance in this fight is utterly ridiculous when Ares is such a weak link. Wolverine can toe to toe it with either Ares OR Herc and stands a likely chance of dropping either one of them. Colossus can hold is own with Herc and would like trounce Ares. Either way this turns into a 2 on 1 rather quickly and neither Ares nor Herc are durable enough to take Wolverine's claws. Team 2 eventually dies a gruesome death. kinda.
Ares has been written terribly lately. If we are going by his showings, then yes Wolverine could beat him. I think this comes down to how they match up. If its Herc vs Wolverine and Ares vs Colussus, then yeah I think the gods will take a majority. If its the other way around the X-Men take it. And I agree that teamwork is a big factor here. Colossus and Wolverine are good buds, have trained together for a long time, and even have innovated a move together. Granted if Colossus pitches Wolverine at Herc hes likely to be batted across the city, but still they have a lot more going for them in that department.
Either way the mutants win. Think about it like this.
Colossus is stronger and more durable than Ares, he can take him in a fight.
Wolverine can claw the hell out of Ares, and Ares isn't strong enough to put him down.
Colossus can hang with Herc for a while, and Wolverine can gut him. Together they take Herc down, or Wolverine can do it solo.
Either way, once Ares is out of the picture, it'll be a stomp.
Team 2 wins.
Hercules would stomp Colossus and let's be honest, Current Ares would hang with Wolverine for at least a time. His getting a decent push.
Ares' durability really got a push, his taken an exploding Nick Fury base unharmed, a bag of grenades to the face with a smile, and his piercing damage has got an upgrade meaning his bullet proof etc. now. Take into account that he still has a healing factor that lets him heal from multiple bullet wounds even to the head, in like a panel, his damage soak, the fact that he has Class 80 strength which is closer to Class 100 at this point (He recently did a Class 100 feat from what I understood rather easily. He ripped his axe through a rift in reality, and forced his way through by force.), and carries an Adamantine axe, and Wolverine isn't putting Ares down without a decent fight.