Originally posted by KingD19
I see the axe thing as more a mix of strength and his innate magical abilities than sheer strength. And those bullets still dropped him.
Really? Because I thought it was pretty clear that it was a result of his raw force. That's a legit Class 100 feat from what I understand.
You mean the instance Bucky shot him with multiple bullets at point blank range to his exposed throat? They didn't hurt him at all. He hits him, next panel we see a surprised Ares' face hit the water, and next panel we see Ares completely unharmed. Also that's an impressive speed feat for Bucky. Unless gravity stopped working for Ares for a few moments, Bucky covered a lot of ground between him and Ares in a panel.
And I was talking about the War Machine incident, where he took bullets unharmed on different occasions.
I know it was supposedly raw power, but the way Gateway's student explained his powers, raw force shouldn't have been able to do it, some magic had to be involved.
And yeah, I'm talking about the sewer incident. And I didn't mean the bullets really hurt him, I meant they made him fall, that wouldn't have happened to Colossus or Wolverine.
Originally posted by KingD19
I know it was supposedly raw power, but the way Gateway's student explained his powers, raw force shouldn't have been able to do it, some magic had to be involved.And yeah, I'm talking about the sewer incident. And I didn't mean the bullets really hurt him, I meant they made him fall, that wouldn't have happened to Colossus or Wolverine.
Or maybe, it was a really impressive Class 100 showing like I've been saying this entire time. Just because it doesn't make sense doesn't suddenly mean magic was involved. I mean Ares is certainly being portrayed as Norman's biggest gun along with Sentry. Bendis and his influence is definitely giving Ares a large push.
That's right because they didn't hurt him at all. Looking back, it was more surprise than anything. He didn't even have a sore throat or anything apparently.
Yes it wouldn't drop Colossus, but bullets apparently don't drop Ares either anymore if he isn't shocked or anything.
I can see it happening to Wolverine easily. Multiple shots to his throat, by surprise when his already crouching in the water? Yea, I can.
Can't believe some people (fanboys) think Wolverine will just cut up Ares. A sample of his durability.
Plows a $250 million aircraft into a city wall, causing a massive explosion that rips the wall and gate apart, throwing massive pieces of debris hundreds of feet into the sky and emerges completely unscathed, ready for the battle.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
^And isn't that Doom's castle? Makes the explosion more impressive.Current Ares has gotten a real push in terms of strength and durability. I can see him winning the majority against Wolverine. Especially if he has his Adamantine Axe.
Yeah that's when the Avengers attacked Doom's fortress.
Originally posted by The Pict
Can't believe some people (fanboys) think Wolverine will just cut up Ares. A sample of his durability.
So I am a fanboy for thinking wolverine can cut up Ares? I mean how foolish of me to think of such a thing
I mean here wolverine stabbing right throw ghost rider, and as I recall did not ghost rider take it to WWH when Ares got effortlessly dropped, and has shown far greater durability feats that Ares?
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Wait and here Wolverine effortlessly cutting off absorbing mans arm
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Wolverine cut’s right through Arkon shield
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Here Wolverine cut death’s head II arm right off.
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Here Wolverien easily stabbing into Death’s Head II (Minion)
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Wolverine standing on grey hulks body after he gutted him
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Wolverine here is stabbing bunch of times right into savage Hulk who has far more impressive durability feats then Ares, and yet Wolverine claws easily cut through him.
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Here in Hulk nightmare dream realm he being cut all over by Wolverine, showing that even Hulk sub conscious recognizes Wolverines ability to cut him.
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Wolverine cutting right into WWH who has show far better durability to Ares, but again as with the other Hulks even being the most powerful incarnation, does not prevent him from wistanding Wolverines claws
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Wolverine is able to Piece right through Ironman Hulk Buster Armor which is designed to wistand the damage the Hulk can out put and is the most durable of his armors. Yet Wolverine stabbing Ares and cutting him up is ridiculous?
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Here Wolverine show again how well a heavy hitter with a caliber of durability above Ares and feats to back it stands up to a slash of Wolverines Claws
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Here the damage done.
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Ben reaction to the damage and is the reason for why thing wore that metal mask for long while. http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/1117/fantasticfour380eq7.jpg
Kierrok was able to withstand the assaults of Night crawler, Storm, Cyclopes, and Colossus as seen in the scans
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But Wolverine carves right into him, and it the first Mortal in Ages to harm the demon lord.
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Here Wolverine display again the he can cut right into brick character with superior durability showings to Ares, such as Namor
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He does so again in another encounter
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Wolverine displays his ability to cut through pretty much an heavy hitter onces again by doing so to Rhino with casual slash/
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Here Wolverine is easily able to stab Mauvais/Wendigo, this is the most powerful of all Wendigo’s and had Doc Strange scared. The average Wendigo has display greater durability then that of Ares, so Wolverine stabbing the most powerful means what for Ares……..you tell me.
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If you some how trick your self into believing Ares is more durable then all the other individuals I have shown scans of wolverine cutting or stabbing, there is no way you could possibly believe he more durable then Thanos with the infinity gauntlet.
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So though the scans you presented earlier were nice and all, that far from proving that Wolverine can’t cut him up like a hot steak knife through butter. I not even sure were you came to the conclusion that Wolverine can not cut up Ares, especially considering his very inconsistent durability that has been less then impressive over the years. I mean have you ever read Wolverine comics? Just because heavy hitters can withstand explosions does not mean there immune to piercing damage let a lone from adamatium claws. As you can see from the scans I posted, heavy hitter after heavy hitter has been cut time and again by Wolverine adamatium claws. I find it unbelievable that you have the nerve to call people fan boys, for thinking Wolverine can cut Ares, when he has, as I showed cut individuals with durability and feats beyond Ares with ease. What’s more is the fact in was recently revealed in origins, that Wolverine was manipulated by Romulas, to be grafted with Adamantium, for the very purposes of being able to kill super hero/beings.
So now that we put that Wolverine can’t cut Ares nonsense’s to rest let’s move on to who would be victorious between the two. Wolverine would be, for the large majority, and no Ares fans as well as Wolverine haters and those without extensive knowledge on Wolverine it not due to some bias I hate for Wolverine. For example I don’t believe Wolverine would take a single win from Hulk, Silver Surfer or any such nonsense’s. Wolverine holds more advantages over Ares then vice versa. There are several key areas’ that determine who wins a fight that is range, fighting skills, strength, combat speed, reflexes depending on the fighter’s agility and stamina. Though both fighters are willing to uses range weapons there prefer to fight with melee weapons or h2h. Neither starts range weapons, so that is pointless to discuss. So will start with fighting skill
Fighting skills is key because the better fighter can dictate the pace, of the fight as long as there not to out classed in physical combat speed and reflexes or that there opponent is not slightly physically superior and almost as skilled. Though Ares is the god of war, that is simply a title, though he skilled for a heavy hitter, he not extremely skilled when compared to top tier MA’s and uses the same type of combat he used centuries ago for the most part. Ares is about fighting with emotion, undisciplined almost. His sister Athens is actually the god one who holds tactics in high regard, which may explain his distaste for using tactic in combat. His feats of skill are not equal to his brother Hercules and he really is likely only 3rd tier when concerning his feats. Wolverine on the other hand is a top tier MA and I will provide examples below.
I going to first show a little peek of Wolverine broad spectrum of Martial arts within his arsenal though they might not, factor directly into this conflict it will show his superior MA knowledge diversity compared to Ares.
Here Wolverine safe Capt life in WW2, display his skill with two sticks and remember he unlike Capt was not frozen, during WW2 over the year he trained with great sensei improving his skills.
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Here Wolverine display diversity further by mimicking Captain America with just but a trash can lib, to the point his opponents believe him to be Captain American
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Wolverine gives Captain American a blood clot
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Now here I will show his fighting skills verse opponent quite a bit more skilled then Ares. These scans below show that Wolverine will have a significant Skill edge
Dare Devil who a top tier MA get put into a ful nelson by Wolverine in 5 pannels
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Here Wolverine shows his skills at disarming against Ogun who is an uber tier fighter.
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Wolverine takes down another top tier MA fast and easy.
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Wolverine displays diversity in when he easily chokes out Bucky who was trained by the same people who trained Captain America and by Captain America himself if not mistaken
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Just so I don’t here, but Ares is more experiences, here Wolverien taking the millennia old Angle of Death and Shogun (forge from a piece of Wolverine soul) at the same time.
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Now lets, move onto strength. It true, that Ares will have a significant strength advantage, him being 70 tonner or higher. However despite this vast strength advantage he be rather weak for brick opponents Wolverine usually faces
Scan below is a perfect description of this match in a sense. It scans of Namor and the narrative states that though he has the strength advantage, his opponent (Wolverine) has the speed advantage. Food for thought as well, Namor is faster then Ares.
Now we move to combat speed, which though Ares, is not slow, he defiantly is not known for his combat speed. He is surely significantly slower then Wolverine, which I will show with, scans below.
Wolverine displaying incredible combat speed blitzing around so fast a super human energy wielder can’t touch him
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Wolverine speed blitzing thugs
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Nuke aims rocket launcher at Wolverine clicks the bottom Wolverine moves so fast he covers several feat and kicks the rocket launcher to the side before it ever leaves it champer.
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Now onto reflexes, again Ares, not slow, but he not known to be incredibility fast reaction times. His feats of reflex speed from what I have seen don’t even touch most of wolverine mid/low end feats. In order to more properly expresses my point, I post several feats below that are above even Ares best reflex feats from what I have seen.
Wolverine display superior reflexes/agility then Ares while dodging lasers
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Dodging Scot optic blast point blank display superhuman reflexes
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Again dodging and now deflecting Scots blasts I like to see Ares do something like this
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Effortlessly dodging living lightning who a speedstir.
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Now we move on to damage soak, which again Wolverine has superior showings and posses better damage soak. Ares strength advantage is almost little to no advantage due to this reason. Wolverine due to such high levels of damage soak, he could withstand more attacks from Ares, then Ares can from him especially Ares blunt force attacks. With Ares rather weak healing factor he won’t be able to sustain many shots from Wolverine claws before he goes down. One good example that shows the differences in damage soak is that of there interaction with WWH. Ares if not mistaken got taken out very quickly by WWH in like a panel or one of WWH band members. Wolverine on the other hand sustains more damage then Thing, She-Hulk, Herc ect, before he was dropped.
Wolverine vs World War Hulk
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So if you look at aspect of bother characters abilities that effect a fight Wolverine holds pretty clearly most all of the advantages. He is quite a bit faster combat speed wises, as well as in reflexes and agility. This means he going to get hit less, and be able to strike more often which is made even worse for Ares, due to the fact Wolverine is also sufficiently more skilled. Ares however is a lot stronger, but is significantly inferior in reflexes, agility, combat speed and fight skills which more then counter his superior strength. Then to top it off his durability matter little at all, due to the fact Wolverine claws can bypass it. This means his reliant on his damage soak, which is inferior to Wolverine, and has shown to be less then stellar against attacks that have pierced his durability. Wolverine on the other hand has shown to be well within his ability to take good amount of shots especially from class 70, and he has shown through battle with his rogues that he can easily cope with piercing attacks. Wolverine going to be hitting more often, in more vital area’s and has the ability to withstand more attacks then vice versa. So it clear who wins if you view each strengths compared to the others and few accomplishments and feats.
Wolverine WTF KOs Abomination:
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Originally posted by Battlehammer
Dodging Scot optic blast point blank display superhuman reflexes
1. http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/7770/cyklopsdodge.jpgAgain dodging and now deflecting Scots blasts I like to see Ares do something like this
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/1889/captang29.jpg
that's f*cking ridiculous.
Originally posted by -Pr-
that's f*cking ridiculous.
i like to point out this is severely weaken taxed wolverine doing this. 😎
@battlehammer
i would have just ignored the guys ignorant statement and simply pointed out that their are various forms off attacks and not all have the same type of damage output. Ares durability varies from bludgeon, fire explosion and showed weakness from puncture wounds from bullets that have put ares down in the past.
also Ada. is not the same as past attacks.
just saying.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
would not be the first time he dodge scot blasts, won't likely be the last. scot does a lot of things I find rediculous as well, but i keep it to my self.
cyclops has tagged logan too.
and actually, don't. i want to hear what you think cyclops did that was silly, while arguing the validity of all of those wolverine feats.
