Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusDarkseid couldn't hit him with it. If he had he would have won. Seid usually gets nailed with his own blasts and then owned.
True enough.If you ask me, from all the times Superman's knocked him around he doesn't rely on it enough. Darkseid is Superman, what Loki is to Thor at this point.
Originally posted by Omega VisionIt didn't miss it was deflected and Superman used his speed to make sure it hit something else.
How isn't it jobbing? By definition the OB should never miss. Nor should Darkseid forget his myriad of other powers when fighting Superman.
Originally posted by Omega VisionPrecrisis too I believe.
When was this?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusBut they don't really have anything to back it up though. It's just the old Darkseid shouldn't be written that way despite him being written that way again and again. It isn't the exception anymore it's the norm.
I do, especially with all the Darkseid hype. That's just me though.
Originally posted by quanchi112
But they don't really have anything to back it up though. It's just the old Darkseid shouldn't be written that way despite him being written that way again and again. It isn't the exception anymore it's the norm.
Originally posted by Omega VisionThat's Kirby's vision. There have been many other writers to pen Darkseid. Certain characters definitely are more formidable in other writer's hands. That doesn't mean we dismiss everything outside of your particular writer. If you want to argue Kirby Darkseid make a thread about it otherwise it's all fair game.
Doesn't make it right for the character. Kirby envisioned him as the ultimate personification of evil, now he's just Mongul with a darker color scheme and unreliable heat vision. Final Crisis was the first time since the Great Darkness Saga that Darkseid was even close to what Kirby envisioned him as. Hopefully when they resurrect him (and you know DC will eventually) he'll be written as a JLA bashing God of Evil, not as a "Superman rogue".
Darkseid has been beaten in the comics, video games, and cartoons by the man of steel. I don't see that changing. he was even beaten by Superman in fc.
Originally posted by quanchi112
That's Kirby's vision. There have been many other writers to pen Darkseid. Certain characters definitely are more formidable in other writer's hands. That doesn't mean we dismiss everything outside of your particular writer. If you want to argue Kirby Darkseid make a thread about it otherwise it's all fair game.Darkseid has been beaten in the comics, video games, and cartoons by the man of steel. I don't see that changing. he was even beaten by Superman in fc.
Originally posted by Omega VisionDs also had a plot device the ale which allowed him to win the war with new genesis in the first place.
Final Crisis was a foregone conclusion. If Superman hadn't killed him with a meta-textual plot device and an asspull singing attack there'd be no DCU left.
I don't think that all writers fail to write him properly other than Kirby, just most of the recent ones. Really if Kirby had his way Darkseid would have been long dead but DC wouldn't let him kill him off since they liked him too much as a villain.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Ds also had a plot device the ale which allowed him to win the war with new genesis in the first place.
Originally posted by Omega VisionThe point is Supes beats Ds with or without plot devices. Most of their fights have been stalemates. They are peers to each other and anyone saying otherwise is kinda delusional.
Are you arguing for the sake of arguing? I never said that he didn't have one, I'm just stating a fact: the Miracle Machine was one of the biggest plot devices in history. Really it took a lot of shit to beat Darkseid. In order there was the Radion bullet, the Flashes leading the Black Racer to him, Wonder Woman lassoing his body, Superman singing a vibration that canceled his out, and finally the Miracle Machine wiping his corrupting influence from the Multiverse.