Originally posted by Kris Blaze
What tech? They're organic. Though I realize Cyborg has skill in manipulating this as well.I've never -ever- seen the Cyborg manipulate tech on that scope, nor have I seen them use Parallax in that manner. It's absolutely ludicrous to think that simply because he has technopathy, he can take over technology of the entire A-Wave. Infant Terrible has reality warping, is he going to take control of the entire Sinestro Corps then? Hmm? Because Reality Warping is a shitload better than technopathy.
Parallax's created a great deal of distrust on earth, while inside Hal Jordan but that doesn't suddenly make him capable of messing up the A-Wave. I also highly doubt that he would even be able to affect the drones there. They exist as a hivemind and all of them are willing to die instantly.
Originally posted by Omega VisionWhen did he do so in swar?
AM could do what Galactus did at the end, a wave of destruction.
Originally posted by The NuulDid you see the forces assembled that negated Am? It wasn't the guardians either.
SCW has more powerful but also have less characters while AW has more characters but are less powerful.
Originally posted by xJLxKingYeah, you're overrating Henshaw yet again. he can't just take over everything without overriding it's prgorams and being in the right place at the right time. See hunter and prey.
I am not saying Cyborg will beat the wave. Though, he has the ability to control any amount of technology no matter how advanced it is. This means ships, computers, and anything you can think of. It can go as far as radios, monsters, robots..etc.You also got Parallax who was stated to have taken down civilizations. As long as life lives, there is fear(Stated, and facts). In SCW, Parallax was stopped because of the green will power, something the AW does not have.
Keep in mind, this is not a prep battle. This is where they meet head on. Thanos either stays back or attacks. If he is attacked he has a chance of getting a privalege of becoming a host for Parallax.
Parallax is a force in Nature, it can't really be killed just contained it's hard to beat head on. It can jump host to host all the while spreading fear.
That's just how I see it.
If you got tech, Cyborg will control it
If you got troops with emotions, or hiding emotions, Parallax will break em and destroy them easily.
If you got leader/generals, Parallax can take them as a host and use them.
The Aw was hammering an entire universe and you talk of civilizations who probably ha dno clue of what was happening like that matters. Parallax did nothing impressive at all during the swar. Nothing. It was a blip on the radar screen.
Thanos isn't going to march on in he will sit back plan and get involved at a critical juncture. He's Thanos not some common foot soldier.
Did you even read ann wave?
Originally posted by xJLxKingProof? Is henshaw afraid of death? If not you just owned yourself.
Everyone is scared. Whether it's death or your own mother in law.
Originally posted by The NuulAre you kidding me? He failed to even take out Yat and had two chances to do so but now he is soloing the Awave. This is getting rather hilarious.
AM could pretty much solo the AW.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Source Wall? Man Hunters? Kryptonian Tech? Melting computers around the world? Taking over other bodies? Becoming one with engine city?
Parallax has been stated on panel that he has destroy Civilization just by making them go crazy
And the scope of this is close to the annihilation wave, how? How is any of this in the same branch as taking control over the Annihilation Wave's organics? These are completely different things, the Source Wall might not even be technology. You also failed to refute the fact that the A-Wave has someone with reality warping, which naturally trumps control over technology. He even controlled the entire sun on one occasion, for fun.
You did not even mention the actual insects of the Annihilation Wave. It's impossible to say to what degree Parallax would affect them. Nor did I see Parallax wield powers on that scope. A civilization is rarely more than a couple of thousands or at best millions. The Annihilation Wave drones are not human beings, they do not have any kind of emotions to control. They are like robots.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
And the scope of this is close to the annihilation wave, how? How is any of this in the same branch as taking control over the Annihilation Wave's organics? These are completely different things, the Source Wall might not even be technology. You also failed to refute the fact that the A-Wave has someone with reality warping, which naturally trumps control over technology. He even controlled the entire sun on one occasion, for fun.You did not even mention the actual insects of the Annihilation Wave. It's impossible to say to what degree Parallax would affect them. Nor did I see Parallax wield powers on that scope. A civilization is rarely more than a couple of thousands or at best millions. The Annihilation Wave drones are not human beings, they do not have any kind of emotions to control. They are like robots.
As for Cyborg, he took control over Manhunter who by the way have shown emotions at the face of death. Their technology will be easy picking for Cyborg.
Remember, there is still AM.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
What was his overall plan with destroying the Marvel Universe?
I just don't get what he would have gained from it, the Negative Zone sucks, you'd think he'd want a better Universe to own.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Again, everyone is scared. Life breads fear and there is nothing one can do about it. The best thing to do is overcome if. Now what chance does Annihilus have when Green Lanterns who are chosen because of their ability to overcome fear itself fail against Parallax.
His overall plan was to use Galactus as a bomb to blow up the 616 and also kill the Negative Zone. Annihilus will rule the void because he is the void. Not sure how he would survive it, but that's his plan. Again, he's not afraid of death. In fact, he knows death like Thanos does. Thanos doesn't fear death and neither does Annihilus. In fact, a new Annihilus or reborn Annihilus larva is in the Negative Zone currently.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
His overall plan was to use Galactus as a bomb to blow up the 616 and also kill the Negative Zone. Annihilus will rule the void because he is the void. Not sure how he would survive it, but that's his plan. Again, he's not afraid of death. In fact, he knows death like Thanos does. Thanos doesn't fear death and neither does Annihilus. In fact, a new Annihilus or reborn Annihilus larva is in the Negative Zone currently.
Point is, everyone fears something whether it be death, or your power.
Here's my break down of both sides.
The big guns on both sides.
Sinestro / Annihilus
Prime / Thanos
Cyborg / The Delinquent
Parallax / Terrax
Arkillo / Ravenous
Footsoldiers
Yellow Lanterns, Manhunters, Qwardians / Seekers, Centurions, Power Skrull, Skreet, Man-Thinker Robot, Harvester of Sorrows, A-Wave drones and ships
I think that's everyone on both sides. The big guns of SC edges out the AW if they went head to head while the SC foot soldiers are going to be overwhelm the the numbers of ships and drones. The bugs and ships would wear down SC enough that the Seekers and Centurions move in for the kill like on Daedelus 5. Thanos is the smartest one in this fight. He's the one to turn the tide in favor of the A-Wave.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Here's my break down of both sides.The big guns on both sides.
Sinestro / Annihilus
Prime / Thanos
Cyborg / The Delinquent
Parallax / Terrax
Arkillo / RavenousFootsoldiers
Yellow Lanterns, Manhunters, Qwardians / Seekers, Centurions, Power Skrull, Skreet, Man-Thinker Robot, Harvester of Sorrows, A-Wave drones and shipsI think that's everyone on both sides. The big guns of SC edges out the AW if they went head to head while the SC foot soldiers are going to be overwhelm the the numbers of ships and drones. The bugs and ships would wear down SC enough that the Seekers and Centurions move in for the kill like on Daedelus 5. Thanos is the smartest one in this fight. He's the one to turn the tide in favor of the A-Wave.
See that the problem!
You are using Cyborg, and Parallax as soldiers, oe generals. Their ability can effect millions while fighting. Parallax can take a host while fighting another "general" like Thanos and spread fear to others at the same time. IN addition, he seems to get stronger when there is more fear as explained in Rebirth or SWC.
Same goes with Cyborg, the dude has ability to hack into other technology, and use it against themselves.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
There are things that are far worse then death. There are people who don't fear death for themselves but fear for others. Then there are those that are scared of losing their powers.Point is, everyone fears something whether it be death, or your power.
Really? The only emotions I've seen from Annihilus is delight and rage. Would you like to reference a moment where Annihilus has shown fear? He knows death, he considers Tenebrous/Aegis his underlings, and wanted kill Galactus after Galactus destroyed his armada. What does he have to fear? You make it sound like he cares about his drones or universe.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
[B]You missed AM
AM isn't in this fight. Most people read the first page where it's stipulated that AM and the Proemial Gods are not involved in this fight.
See that the problem!
You are using Cyborg, and Parallax as soldiers, oe generals. Their ability can effect millions while fighting
Effect who? I didn't see Parallax turning the tide in SC's favor. I didn't see Cyborg doing anything either. And Kris already pointed out that the Deliquent can neutralize Cyborg. If you want bring up the possibility of these characters, Deliquent would warp Cyborg and Parallax out of existence.
Parallax can take a host while fighting another "general" like Thanos and spread fear to others at the same time. IN addition, he seems to get stronger when there is more fear as explained in Rebirth or SWC.Same goes with Cyborg, the dude has ability to hack into other technology, and use it against themselves.
Your assuming Thanos is going to be in the field. He only does that when he has to or wants to. He's Annihilus strategist and likely going to be on the flagship, not the center of fighting. He's going to have to go through hordes of drones and the Deliquent.
Originally posted by The Nuul
Where does it say that?
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Umm I suppose so, maybe not the AM. If the A Wave doesn't get the two gods then they don't get the AM.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
The SCW's chances are a little better if the Gods (Tenobrius, Aegis and AM) stay out. But if SC gets Parallax its only fair AW gets Thanos.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Really? The only emotions I've seen from Annihilus is delight and rage. Would you like to reference a moment where Annihilus has shown fear? He knows death, he considers Tenebrous/Aegis his underlings, and wanted kill Galactus after Galactus destroyed his armada. What does he have to fear? You make it sound like he cares about his drones or universe.
I am giving an example of what one may fear for himself or other.
Effect who? I didn't see Parallax turning the tide in SC's favor. I didn't see Cyborg doing anything either. And Kris already pointed out that the Deliquent can neutralize Cyborg. If you want bring up the possibility of these characters, Deliquent would warp Cyborg and Parallax out of existence.
Your assuming Thanos is going to be in the field. He only does that when he has to or wants to. He's Annihilus strategist and likely going to be on the flagship, not the center of fighting. He's going to have to go through hordes of drones and the Deliquent.
Besides, the amount of choices Parallax has to choose for them being his host is....huge
I was always under the belief that Annihlus is generally such a A-Hole because hes afraid to die, and its a paranoia that others are out to kill him that causes him to be evil. Not to mention the guy is basically a mutated insect, and really shouldnt have any special immunity to fear. Also, Despotellis from the SC alone should be able to devestate a good portion of their fleet.
Originally posted by redhotrash
I was always under the belief that Annihlus is generally such a A-Hole because hes afraid to die, and its a paranoia that others are out to kill him that causes him to be evil. Not to mention the guy is basically a mutated insect, and really shouldnt have any special immunity to fear. Also, Despotellis from the SC alone should be able to devestate a good portion of their fleet.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
You mean they are like the Guardians who hide emotions and show no emotions. Guess what, that didn't prevent Parallax from stopping them and taking control over them. Parallax has stopped Green Lanterns who are trained to overcome fear. IF you are going to say that the A wave will resist him and then ignore that he stopped GL then it's rather stupid. Considering what he did to Civilization, I don't see why he can't do it in the heat of the battle when emotions run wild. Like I said, if they are organic with emotions(hiding doesn't change it), then they will experience fear thanks to Parallax who again I repeat is Nature. IF there is emotions, he will make fear out of it. That's just how it is, that's how he is portrayed. What more crazy is that he can take on a host and jump from one to another as they die, or get weaker(like in rebirth). You will need the Green Light to effectively stop him.As for Cyborg, he took control over Manhunter who by the way have shown emotions at the face of death. Their technology will be easy picking for Cyborg.
Remember, there is still AM.
So much wrong with this post. You don't really seem to understand what I'm writing.
They are not people, they are like robots. The degree to which Parallax affects people is also highly debatable. Making someone more paranoid and frightened shouldn't make any sort of difference here. It doesn't matter what Green Lanterns are trained to do, they all have independent thought. The Annihilation Wave drones are like robots with 4 functions. Eat, kill, die and DIEEEEEEE. Many of Annihilus' guns are under control by him. And his armies are so insanely big that it's not even funny. Which brings the question, how on earth is Parallax going to reach any of these? Odds are it'll be space-ships firing their lasers and the like. Who is Parallax going to take control over here?
- Making Green Lanterns frightened does in no way qualify him to affect the hive-mind structure of the A-Wave.
- Once again, Cyborg can -easily- be countered by someone with planetary-level reality warping. So can Parallax. And these are not technological robots, but organic beings.
- For Parallax to take a host, he needs to be close by or physically near them. Once again, he's warped out of existence by the Infant Terrible. Better yet, everybody teleports out of his way.
- Seriously lacking information regarding how the annihilation wave actually works and functions. Even Glorian, with his incredible reality warping powers was not able to wrest control over the annihilation wave. Do you know who Glorian is?
Ultimately, whether or not Parallax could control anybody depends on whether or not he can control Annihilus. Let's say that he could control Annihilus, it would not make a lick of difference, because Parallax can be countered by the infant terrible. In fact, -any- one character in this fight can be countered by him.
AM still isn't a member of this fight.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Good point, it took another germ to defeat him. I don't think the AW has such an ally.
And so what if it infects someone? It took the germ a while to kill Gardner and Kyle's mom. Regular human beings. Even if killed say a being a minute, there are billions of Annihilation wave drones.