Elektra and Catwoman vs Lady Shiva and Black Cat

Started by Konton3 pages

I still don't see team 2 putting down a tank like Elektra, even with her shitty partner.

Sooo.. in her later appearance BC mentioned that hse beat Sabertooth, i know he didnt have all his powers back then, but its now canon in MU that he always had them. Does it mean she beat the mutant Sabertooth?

Originally posted by SamZED
Sooo.. in her later appearance BC mentioned that hse beat Sabertooth, i know he didnt have all his powers back then, but its now canon in MU that he always had them. Does it mean she beat the mutant Sabertooth?

Yes -Marvel haven't come up with any retcon or explanation for how Felicia could beat Creed. So Black Cat is capable of beating someone who has bested Logan in fair fights

Originally posted by BUSTER1
Yes -Marvel haven't come up with any retcon or explanation for how Felicia could beat Creed. So Black Cat is capable of beating someone who has bested Logan in fair fights
😆 That's crazy and awesome at the same time. If that's the case team 2 stomps 😂

Elektra also beats Wolverine is straight up fights. With his full powerset.

Originally posted by Konton
Elektra also beats Wolverine is straight up fights. With his full powerset.

So Elektra=Sabretooth then. Black Cat>Sabretooth
So Black Cat >Elektra

So you make my arguement for me-Team 2 ftw!!!!

That doesn't make any sense. Why would Elektra be equal to Sabertooth and Black Cat be greater?

Elektra has a much better track record than either girl on team 2. She has ON PANEL FEATS, can take down groups of highly skilled MA's like Taskmaster and treat him like canon fodder, outmuscle Daredevil, etc. etc.

Then you have her telepathy, which neither girl on team 2 can combat in any way shape or form.

LOL, I certainly wouldnt say BC > Sabretooth, but shes not a pushover either. Shes fought Venom, Carnage, and a host of other Spider-Man villains before and held her own. Im not disregarding Elektra at all, just saying she'd likely have a 2vs1 situation here which would hard to overcome.

Originally posted by Konton
That doesn't make any sense. Why would Elektra be equal to Sabertooth and Black Cat be greater?

Elektra has a much better track record than either girl on team 2. She has ON PANEL FEATS, can take down groups of highly skilled MA's like Taskmaster and treat him like canon fodder, outmuscle Daredevil, etc. etc.

Then you have her telepathy, which neither girl on team 2 can combat in any way shape or form.

Elektra and Creed are equal as both have beaten Logan. Black Cat has beaten Creed. So Elektra is equal to Creed and Felecia is superior to both. Hah!

Are you seriously trying to throw ABC logic at me? FLAWED ABC logic, no less.

Elektra is superior to both Shiva and Black Cat. She downs Shiva quicker than Cat would down Catwoman.

Worse case scenario Elektra falls back on her powers. I can't see her losing.

Originally posted by Konton
Are you seriously trying to throw ABC logic at me? FLAWED ABC logic, no less.

Elektra is superior to both Shiva and Black Cat. She downs Shiva quicker than Cat would down Catwoman.

Worse case scenario Elektra falls back on her powers. I can't see her losing.

Can't you tell when someone's kidding?

Shiva has beaten the shit out of Catwoman before. She has no answer to Shiva's skill IIRC (she was saved by Talia al Ghul)

This will be a 2 on 1 affair I think. Catwoman will likely be out the fight early. Unless she goes up against Black Cat. I dunno how that'd play out.

Originally posted by redhotrash
BC has beaten Sabretooth (retconned as her beating MUTANT Sabretooth) and damn near killed Lizard and Vulture, among others.

Uh. No.... She never beat a mutant sabretooth, and it was never retconned, get that crap OUTA here.

Originally posted by BUSTER1
Team 2-Shiva would give Elektra a good fight, while Black Cat, having been able to beat Sabretooth, would demolish Catwoman. So this fight would quickly become 2 on 1-then its goodnight Elektra.

Again... NO!

She beat a BARELY above human level Sabretooth who hadn't any powers written into his character yet, AND did so while she had physical enhancements that put her on Spidey level, AND STILL would have lost if it wasn't for some nonsense bad-luck plot device.... Both of which were written out of her character decades ago.

Oh... and team 1 stomps... read some Elektra.

Originally posted by BUSTER1
Elektra and Creed are equal as both have beaten Logan. Black Cat has beaten Creed. So Elektra is equal to Creed and Felecia is superior to both. Hah!

You are being an idiot if you can't come to grips with the fact that CREED HAD NO POWERSET OR HISTORY WHEN HE FOUGHT FELECIA....

She barely survived their encounter as it was, if she tried fighting Sabretooth as he was written by the time the mutant massacre happened..... fagetaboutit!

Originally posted by jinzin
You are being an idiot if you can't come to grips with the fact that CREED HAD NO POWERSET OR HISTORY WHEN HE FOUGHT FELECIA....

She barely survived their encounter as it was, if she tried fighting Sabretooth as he was written by the time the mutant massacre happened..... fagetaboutit!

How do you know-if Felicia beat him once, she can do it again. FACT!

No... She can't... unless he was completely depowered and she had upgrades vastly superior to her common representation..... Like... oh I dunno WHEN THEY FOUGHT...

You seriously think Felecia could take CURRENT SABES? Neverming mutant massacre version? OOOOOOKay... you're flat out delusional. 😐

Originally posted by jinzin
You are being an idiot if you can't come to grips with the fact that CREED HAD NO POWERSET OR HISTORY WHEN HE FOUGHT FELECIA....

She barely survived their encounter as it was, if she tried fighting Sabretooth as he was written by the time the mutant massacre happened..... fagetaboutit!

Jin, I dont think you understood us correctly, everyone knows Sabertooth didnt have the powers back then, but these days storywise he always was a mutant with superpowers and hf and storywise Black Cat defeated him, so now it looks like writers make it canon that she defeated a mutant Sabertooth. Ofcourse this should not be taken seriously, but you have to agree that's kinda funny. Also I dont think she was enhanced back then, the upgrade only happened later and it didnt last.

Originally posted by SamZED
Jin, I dont think you understood us correctly, everyone knows Sabertooth didnt have the powers back then, but these days storywise he always was a mutant with superpowers and hf and storywise Black Cat defeated him, so now it looks like writers make it canon that she defeated a mutant Sabertooth. Ofcourse this should not be taken seriously, but you have to agree that's kinda funny. Also I dont think she was enhanced back then, the upgrade only happened later and it didnt last.

No she was enhanced then, Kingpin gave her the upgrade when she thought she had rid herself of the luck powers, taking down sabretooth was her big test.

And yeah it's funny, and yes Sabretooth has always been a mutant, but NO you simply can't use it as evidence of Felecia's ability in combat as it completely ignores the context of when it was written. Again, to say it has any relivence here means you would think she capable of doing that to Sabretooth AFTER powers were written into his character.... it's absurd on every level.. Especially when he had 2 month old lacerations on his face that STILL hadn't healed in that fight.. WTF.

Black Cat and Catwoman are useless in this fight.

I give Lady Shiva the nod in skills if she really has beaten batman and trained Batgirl.

I give Elektra the Nod in agility, weapons and other powers.

Elektra wins.