Originally posted by SamZED
🤨 Colossus is more than a match for Namor in strength and is his superior in terms of durability.
Namor has constantly been portrayed as on the level of Hercules, an enraged Savage Hulk, Blue Marvel, an amping Black Bolt, Beta Ray Bill, Sentry etc. in terms of physical prowess. Heck, his been shown to be on Thor's level as well. Especially when wet.
Namor is as above Colossus in strength as Hercules and the likes are really. His just really underated for some reason. People just view him as a pointy eared Aquaman at times. Colossus is harder to cut, and is more resistant to fire attacks, that's true. Namor seems tougher though.
Originally posted by nicamarvin
YOU DUMB FU#$! ....... 😠he is BatMan........... 😮💨
Do you like him just a bit? 🙄
A child can beat supes with some kryp.
A rocket can't knock the wind out of prof. hulk.
Batman's full of SHI@ and so is any comic that shows him hanging with lobo while superman got overpowered!
Lobo would dismember collossus.
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
🤨colossus has fought hulk juggernaut hyperion gladiator and many super heavy weights, and neither except hulk has ever hurt him.also bane can be considered the strongest normal human on the planet. colossus is only superpassed by a only a small few [b]earth
beings in strength not many people earth people are even 100tons. also colossus was wreking gladiators partner warstar and nearly killed it [/B]
You mean the mini? That hardly qualifies as a fight from what I remember. As I recall, the Hulk easily wrecked Colossus and put him down nearly instantly when pissed off. Colossus jumped a calm Hulk, and pounded on him. That resorted in a temporary knock out (Which can be debated apparently as playing possum.). So that proves, that with relentlessness, playing smart, he can beat a calm savage Hulk, and back in the day a calm Savage Hulk and Colossus were neither a Class 100. Good showing for Colossus' prowess but that's about it. It was made pretty clear, that the moment the Hulk gets angry, he wrecks him.
Yea he went toe to toe with Gladiator for a few panels. Lost, but decent showing. Unfortunately like the Hulk his strength is relative, and Claremont's Gladiator was the weakest level of Gladiator I've seen.
Eh? The X-men's Juggernaut has beat down Colossus every time I've seen them fight. The only way Colossus survives is by out smarting him and staying out of reach.
When has he fought Hyperion? And if he has, which one? They've all been able to hurt him clearly.
That's cool. Colossus > Average dude. Not really a feat.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusNamor was always portrayed as being able to HOLD his own against guys like Thor, Herc and Hulk, so has Colossus. Doesnt make them as strong. As for Sentry, he was clearly overpowering Namor and his strength is not what it was when he was first introduced. If we take their strength feats Namor doesnt have any that'd put him above Colossus (im not talking under water) they're on the same level in terms of strength, which is below guys like Herc or enraged Hulk. At their best they can lift several hundred tons, but not thousands like say Thor. Im in no way understinating him, i like the character but he's not a top tier in marvel in terms of strength.
Namor has constantly been portrayed as on the level of Hercules, an enraged Savage Hulk, Blue Marvel, an amping Black Bolt, Beta Ray Bill, Sentry etc. in terms of physical prowess. Heck, his been shown to be on Thor's level as well. Especially when wet.Namor is as above Colossus in strength as Hercules and the likes are really. His just really underated for some reason. People just view him as a pointy eared Aquaman at times. Colossus is harder to cut, and is more resistant to fire attacks, that's true. Namor seems tougher though.
Originally posted by SamZED
Please dont take THAT victory away from Logan too, in the last Spidey book they made an excuse for him beating Elektro off-pannel. What's wrong with the Lobo fight?
Originally posted by Omega VisionIt was also a reader voted victory that had nothing to do with their abilities......just their popularity. In that same comic series Spider-mans clone beat superboy.
What's right with it? Lobo has a healing factor equal to or greater than Logan's, vastly superior strength, and at that time Wolverine had bone claws.
Originally posted by SamZED
Namor was always portrayed as being able to HOLD his own against guys like Thor, Herc and Hulk, so has Colossus. Doesnt make them as strong. As for Sentry, he was clearly overpowering Namor and his strength is not what it was when he was first introduced. If we take their strength feats Namor doesnt have any that'd put him above Colossus (im not talking under water) they're on the same level in terms of strength, which is below guys like Herc or enraged Hulk. At their best they can lift several hundred tons, but not thousands like say Thor. Im in no way understinating him, i like the character but he's not a top tier in marvel in terms of strength.
Actually his been portrayed as been able to stalemate guys on that level. Seriously, his gone toe to toe with Hercules in every encounter, and they've each looked superior on other occasions. His actually out slugged an enraged Savage Hulk as well. His on their level easily based on his history. In the instance I was talking about he was taking on Sentry easily. He then went on to absolutely stomp Wonder Man and Ares at the same time to the point he was beating Ares with Wonder Man's body. And in their most recent fight Namor was clearly going toe to toe. Sentry landed more hits though, and Namor was unharmed completely in the end. To make this more impressive it was the Sentry/Void incarnation. Namor has been portrayed as having top tier or near top tier strength rather consistently.
What? Namor can lift far in excess of several hundred tons based on his feats. Heck, in the latest X-men issue, he was apparently supporting all of Utopia by himself because the generators were not working. That alone puts him in the the mega ton range if Utopia as as large as it seems.
Want to compare feats? Let's start. Namor's battle with Behemoth was setting off seismographs in every lab in the world. Namor's broken the Crimson Bands of Cytorrak. Namor has physically stopped an enormous ship of Dr. Dooms described as a floating city, rips the propellor off and then neary cap-sizes the boat with one punch and the thing was designed to sail through hurricanes and not feel a thing.
And Namor has probably the least feats of pure strength out of all the characters on these levels mind you.
Oh and Thor can lift far in excess of thousands of tons.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusCant comment on the other fights you've mentioned because I dont know which exactly you're talking about but as for the Sentry fight, Sentry was clearly his superior in terms of strength, Namor was clearly losing the fight and that's current Sentry who isnt even strong enough to support SHIELD Helicarrier. As for Namor not being hurt, that only says something about his durability, not strength, im pretty sure Colossus can take more punishment and be just fine as well. Colossus as a teenager has a feat of supporting a spaceship that easilly weights several hundred tons that matches Namor's best strength feats, Namor is still league below guys like Thor or even Sentry. He's up there with Colossus and Thing (i mean Ben's best showings)
Actually his been portrayed as been able to stalemate guys on that level. Seriously, his gone toe to toe with Hercules in every encounter, and they've each looked superior on other occasions. His actually out slugged an enraged Savage Hulk as well. His on their level easily based on his history. In the instance I was talking about he was taking on Sentry easily. He then went on to absolutely stomp Wonder Man and Ares at the same time to the point he was beating Ares with Wonder Man's body. And in their most recent fight Namor was clearly going toe to toe. Sentry landed more hits though, and Namor was unharmed completely in the end. To make this more impressive it was the Sentry/Void incarnation.What? Namor can lift far in excess of several hundred tons based on his feats. Heck, in the latest X-men issue, he was apparently supporting all of Utopia by himself because the generators were not working. That alone puts him in the the mega ton range if Utopia as as large as it seems.
Originally posted by Omega VisionLobo is not indestructible though, his skin is not as durable as say Superman's and he can be shot and cut and Logan is quicker than him plus even his boneclaws can cut through Lobo. Ofcourse the fight was fanvoted, but even if it wasnt I wouldn't call that an obvious example of PIS. Also, didnt Spider-man only beat Superboy because of the electricity?
What's right with it? Lobo has a healing factor equal to or greater than Logan's, vastly superior strength, and at that time Wolverine had bone claws.
People are arguing Wolverine's win over Lobo? I never thought I'd see the day. That kind of stupidity leaves a bad taste in my moith.... Someone post the scan of Lobo crushing a entire city into the size of a cube.
Anyway, Colossus is not beating Lobo. Colossus is kind of like Thing, they both are high tier, but on a completely different level from guys like Superman or Hulk strength wise.
Originally posted by SamZED
Cant comment on the other fights you've mentioned because I dont know which exactly you're talking about but as for the Sentry fight, Sentry was clearly his superior in terms of strength, Namor was clearly losing the fight and that's current Sentry who isnt even strong enough to support SHIELD Helicarrier. As for Namor not being hurt, that only says something about his durability, not strength, im pretty sure Colossus can take more punishment and be just fine as well. Colossus as a teenager has a feat of supporting a spaceship that easilly weights several hundred tons that matches Namor's best strength feats, Namor is still league below guys like Thor or even Sentry. He's up there with Colossus and Thing (i mean Ben's best showings)
I admit Sentry had the edge or advantage, but he wasn't clearly superior or anything of the sort. They attack each other. Namor punches him, Sentry screams in pain or effort as he attempts to catch his punch. He then flies Namor through a building. Namor throws a bus at him. Sentry punches Namor into the ground. Next time we see them, Sentry is flying away from a clearly unharmed Namor. How he had the clear advantage in strength is beyond me. On top of this, it's a Sentry/Void incarnation that Namor was fighting. It was akin to a Wonder Woman/Superman dynamic in a fight, with the gap being noticeably closer.
Sentry fluctuates according to his mental state or confidence, and that showing from what I remember wasn't due to him being unable to support the weight, simply unable to stop the weight safely. He doesn't have tacticle telekinises as far as I can tell.
Colossus can't take that level of punishment and be fine. *Cough* Green Scar *cough*.
No it really doesn't, seeing as how Namor broke out of the bands of Cytorrak, when the Hulk couldn't, and they were able to hold, Galactus and his ship as I recall.
Of course Namor's strength feats cannot match the high end feats of say Thor or Superman, but they are the top dogs in any Universe in terms of conventional heroes and their strength feats.
No he really isn't. Namor is on the level of Hercules, Sentry, an enraged Hulk, Beta Ray Bill, an amped Black Bolt etc, a pissed off Blue Marvel etc. The only Top Tier who he has constantly been portrayed as inferior to is Thor. And that isn't the rule, that is the exception. That doesn't diminish all of Namor's other showings, it simply adds more impressiveness to Thor as a character.
Namor has been portrayed as beyond the Thing in strength, even back in the day, when the Thing was considered one of the higher end dudes, where he was holding his own against Norrn, taking on the Hulk as I recall etc. The best showing the Thing has against Namor is when he pulled him out of water against his will by surprise.
Originally posted by redhotrashNext time you feel like calling someone stupid at least bother to use the quote button and address it properly instead of throwing a dumb random insulting post. Also if you read my post you'd see that I only said that the fight is not necessarily a PIS because most of opponents Wolverine fights and beats on daily basis are in Lobo's league, some are even his superior.
People are arguing Wolverine's win over Lobo? I never thought I'd see the day. That kind of stupidity leaves a bad taste in my moith.... Someone post the scan of Lobo crushing a entire city into the size of a cube.
Anyway, Colossus is not beating Lobo. Colossus is kind of like Thing, they both are high tier, but on a completely different level from guys like Superman or Hulk strength wise.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusFair enough.
Of course Namor's strength feats cannot match the high end feats of say Thor or Superman, but they are the top dogs in any Universe in terms of conventional heroes and their strength feats.
I dont use the quote button so no one feels singled out when I comment on the pure obsurdity of their claim. Dont want to be considered a E-bully or anything. But yeah, Lobo is a Superman villain, with attributes that place him as such. Wolverine has no place even talking to Lobo. I really hope we arent using fanvoted fights as proof of skill on here. You do realize that Wolverine, being arguably the most popular characters in comics at time, wouldve beaten Superman as well if we went down that route...
Originally posted by redhotrash
People are arguing Wolverine's win over Lobo? I never thought I'd see the day. That kind of stupidity leaves a bad taste in my moith.... Someone post the scan of Lobo crushing a entire city into the size of a cube.
Anyway, Colossus is not beating Lobo. Colossus is kind of like Thing, they both are high tier, but on a completely different level from guys like Superman or Hulk strength wise.
Can you believe it? 🙁 I guess people just aren't reading as much Lobo as they used to...
The same Superman that can lift aircraft carriers will give Lobo a fight that lobo will actually have fun having, but collossus may beat him and he can't handle a couple hundred tons.
Lobo with his healing factor on is just as strong and durable as doomsday and therefore crushes collosus into a paste.
Lobo with healing factor off wouldn't have to worry about healing from anything collossus could do to him. Lobo's stronger and tougher than luke cage or a fight with superman would have killed him. Lobo's been shown with bullet holes in him but he also smokes in space defying even more logic. The point I'm making is that if Strength = Bulletproof then lobo's at least as bulletproof as rouge and power-man.
Lobo would make something to put beer in out of collossus 10/10 😮💨