Zoom Vs. Thanos

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Its not my friend, the problem is we've never seen Zoom try to do so on panel. So, to say what or how it would is speculation at best isn't it. To use one remark by WW, which now people are saying he punches as hard as sundipped superman is stretching it some. Can he hit hard, sure, is it superman hard a million times a second.. nah. What would Zoom do against an omni directional blast from Thanos?

To start off, this is a no CIS and PIS fight. That means, Zoom is not restricted to his usually PIS where he doesn't try to kill his opponent, but instead tries to teach them a lesson, or make them better heroes. Add that to the fact that his power allows him to move almost instantaneously around the battle field. If you know anything about Zoom, it is that he is much faster then Wally. He is soo fast that he is able to move freely in the tick of a second. This means, time has no meaning to him. It's like time is frozen, but he can still move. This is why a guy who can move at the speed of light instantly was no match for him.

With that said, Zoom will automatically move as fast as he can which is basically to the point where time stands still for him thanks to no PIS and CIS Rule. Thanos has no defense against such power. Even f he can tank hundreds of thousands of hits from Zoom, it irrelevant, Zoom still has...almost eternity to keep pounding on him. It's ridiculous, but that's his power, and you need to accept it.

Sure, a blast going on all side would most likely hit Zoom IF Thanos has even a few seconds to move his body and even use the ability. Unfortunately for you, Thanos doesn't have that time. Besides that, even a blast like that would do little since Zoom is able to move through objects.

This is with a PIS and CIS off.

PIS has nothing to do with Zoom not killing people, that is CIS. I don't know why people have such a hard time differing between the two. PIS is Zoom being ko'd by a steel girder coming at him quickly. CIS is Zoom consciously choosing not to win every damn fight.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
PIS has nothing to do with Zoom not killing people, that is CIS. I don't know why people have such a hard time differing between the two. PIS is Zoom being ko'd by a steel girder coming at him quickly. CIS is Zoom consciously choosing not to win every damn fight.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
PIS has nothing to do with Zoom not killing people, that is CIS. I don't know why people have such a hard time differing between the two. PIS is Zoom being ko'd by a steel girder coming at him quickly. CIS is Zoom consciously choosing not to win every damn fight.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Notice how I say, Thanks to PIS and CIS.

Thread starter says Zoom is bloodlusted, so that overides his CIS on not killing. Threads like this really shine a light on folks who mindlessly argue for Thanos without caring about facts or who hes fighting.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Its not my friend, the problem is we've never seen Zoom try to do so on panel. So, to say what or how it would is speculation at best isn't it. To use one remark by WW, which now people are saying he punches as hard as sundipped superman is stretching it some. Can he hit hard, sure, is it superman hard a million times a second.. nah. What would Zoom do against an omni directional blast from Thanos?

fact: an IMP from wally is delivered at speeds merely approaching light speed [an IMP being the plot device punch he owned a white martian with.]

fact: zoom was striking dianna with punches at the light speed [ie. much faster than what is required for an IMP.] zoom's punches > wally's IMP.

fact: even when wally was amped to the point where he could travel from 0 to c instantly, zoom was still FAR faster.

in a nutshell: we know an IMP is achieved at < c. we know zoom was punching dianna at c. we know that in an amped state, wally could reach c instantly. we know that even with an amp, zoom was still [a lot] faster. thus we know the instantaneous speeds zoom is capable of must be WELL beyond c. we know zoom can deal out millionS of punches in the time it takes him to utter one of HIS sentences.

speed kills.

Zoom

Originally posted by Galan007
you need to look at the facts, my friend. once you do, it's perfectly reasonable to assume zoom could strike with the aforementioned amount of force, millions of times in a nanosecond.

fact: an IMP from wally is delivered at speeds merely approaching light speed [an IMP being the plot device punch he owned a white martian with.]

fact: zoom was striking dianna with punches at the light speed [ie. much faster than what is required for an IMP.] zoom's punches > wally's IMP.

fact: even when wally was amped to the point where he could travel from 0 to c instantly, zoom was still FAR faster.

in a nutshell: we know an IMP is achieved at < c. we know zoom was punching dianna at c. we know that in an amped state, wally could reach c instantly. we know that even with an amp, zoom was still [a lot] faster. thus we know the instantaneous speeds zoom is capable of must be WELL beyond c. we know zoom can deal out millionS of punches in the time it takes him to utter one of HIS sentences.

speed kills.

Originally posted by Juntai
Depends. Does Zoom gain mass in the same way? Flash pretty much controls his via speedforce.

as zoom himself said..
"when you ride time, even the slightest of movements can result in unimaginable power:
http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/3225/fcrr3p08.jpg

badass.

It wouldn't be an imp in my opinion, that would be impossible for him.

It would however be something much more terrifying, considering the power at Zoom's disposal.

There really isnt any basis for saying that Zoom can perform and IMP. Aside from it never being mentioned or suggested, the way his power operates should make it impossible.

Still Ive always put IMPs and superman-esque punches in the same range so the impact would still be similar

zoom's overall powerset is amazingly paradoxical. that said: whether or not his mass increases along with his speed [within the 'regular' time line] can honestly be argued either way.

it doesn't matter either way though. based on what zoom has displayed, his punches can be at least superman/IMP level while moving at c - and we've already established that he is capable of moving FAR faster than c, instantly.

That's all the power it really needs.

Originally posted by Galan007
you need to look at the facts, my friend. once you do, it's perfectly reasonable to assume zoom could strike with the aforementioned amount of force, millions of times in a nanosecond.

fact: an IMP from wally is delivered at speeds merely approaching light speed [an IMP being the plot device punch he owned a white martian with.]

fact: zoom was striking dianna with punches at the light speed [ie. much faster than what is required for an IMP.] zoom's punches > wally's IMP.

fact: even when wally was amped to the point where he could travel from 0 to c instantly, zoom was still FAR faster.

in a nutshell: we know an IMP is achieved at < c. we know zoom was punching dianna at c. we know that in an amped state, wally could reach c instantly. we know that even with an amp, zoom was still [a lot] faster. thus we know the instantaneous speeds zoom is capable of must be WELL beyond c. we know zoom can deal out millionS of punches in the time it takes him to utter one of HIS sentences.

speed kills.

Your very versed on Zoom my friend so a few more questions. What are his TP and Matter Manipulation resistance feats?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Your very versed on Zoom my friend so a few more questions. What are his TP and Matter Manipulation resistance feats?

Tp and Matter Transmutation are irrelevant in this battle. Thanos will not have time to use them

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Tp and Matter Transmutation are irrelevant in this battle. Thanos will not have time to use them

You see that is where your wrong. You forget that Thanos has shields and can take a punch. They start out a certain distance. The bell sounds and they both act. Thanos will use his shields right away. Even if you want to argue that zoom gets their first... his shields will come on shortly their after.. Means zoom is then repelled. Even if he doesn't use his shields.. he can take punches enough to then use a omni directional blast and blast and zoom will get hit. You see Zoom has to be near thanos to hit Thanos. Thus he can sit there taking some punches certainly long enough to activate shields or use an omni direction blast. Once he has him off him that is when TP comes into play.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You see that is where your wrong. You forget that Thanos has shields and can take a punch. They start out a certain distance. The bell sounds and they both act. Thanos will use his shields right away. Even if you want to argue that zoom gets their first... his shields will come on shortly their after.. Means zoom is then repelled. Even if he doesn't use his shields.. he can take punches enough to then use a omni directional blast and blast and zoom will get hit. You see Zoom has to be near thanos to hit Thanos. Thus he can sit there taking some punches certainly long enough to activate shields or use an omni direction blast. Once he has him off him that is when TP comes into play.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You see that is where your wrong. You forget that Thanos has shields and can take a punch. They start out a certain distance. The bell sounds and they both act. Thanos will use his shields right away. Even if you want to argue that zoom gets their first... his shields will come on shortly their after.. Means zoom is then repelled. Even if he doesn't use his shields.. he can take punches enough to then use a omni directional blast and blast and zoom will get hit. You see Zoom has to be near thanos to hit Thanos. Thus he can sit there taking some punches certainly long enough to activate shields or use an omni direction blast. Once he has him off him that is when TP comes into play.