Originally posted by Omega Vision
You talk as if Raker actually harmed Darkseid, the first time Darkseid humiliated him and treated him like a little ***** and in the second confrontation its not like Darkseid was ever in danger of being beaten. You have really shitty story reading comprehension. As for Superman he only beats DS with amps or PIS, AN isn't even admissible. Orion usually either loses or stalemates with Darkseid, to my knowledge the only time Orion has beaten DS is in Countdown. H/P Doomsday would shit-stomp Surfer and he cheap shotted an overconfident Darkseid who thought the fight was over.
Raker was unaware of what Ds was capable of and the second time he ran into him he negated the oe with his ring. It went much differently.
It is admissible. Darkseid hasn't beaten Superman straight up in how many years yet you want to act like the showing where he gets humiliated that it doesn't count. It certainly does and Superman's feats crap all over Darkseid's best imo anyways.
I don't see Hp DD crushing the Surfer at all. He's just a really tough brick. Surfer at his best and with bfr it's an easy win against DD.
Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
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In countdown I've heard that he allowed Orion to beat him, so he can return in his god form.
Where?