Originally posted by quanchi112No batman did not fatally wound ds. Batman wounded turnpin bein controlled by ds with radion.ur facts are so off. Superman had the wish machine. An omnipotent decice that controlled the evens so that superman would win. Why do you leave out the details? How can I possibly debate you when you are so bad at it?
Batman fatally wounded Ds and Superman still beat him despite the ale. It's actually even worse in fc.When did squirrels take down Thanos on panel?
When was Thanos ever ko'd by Thor?
Originally posted by lightyeargeeDs was turpin so that's the from we only see on panel in his true form and it wasn't impressive.
No batman did not fatally wound ds. Batman wounded turnpin bein controlled by ds with radion.ur facts are so off. Superman had the wish machine. An omnipotent decice that controlled the evens so that superman would win. Why do you leave out the details? How can I possibly debate you when you are so bad at it?
Ds had the ale so it all evens out Supes still crushed him like always.
Surfer wins as he's faster and more powerful.
Originally posted by quanchi112
That's a biased answer. Surfer wins if written properly.
not really...DS was initially writen to be above any high herlad level character with the OE being a definite one shot attack.
so if we are talking about DS before all the Orion and Superman BS fights surfer goes down hard
Originally posted by WarlordThose aren't bs fights those are how he normally is portrayed against superman. he's well beneath DD. Surfer is stompiing BrB nowadays while ds still loses to Superman. Surfer wins majority.
not really...DS was initially writen to be above any high herlad level character with the OE being a definite one shot attack.so if we are talking about DS before all the Orion and Superman BS fights surfer goes down hard
Originally posted by quanchi112I'm trying hard not to insult you. But it seems that being dense is ur norm. It was specifally staed that the bodies that the new gods had were weak and inferior. They did not like their flesh suits. Superman won due to the wish machine and he didn't even crush anything. He simply sent DS back to the fourth world. Surfer is faster than ds? Lulz. DS flew to the source wall from apok. Literally to the end of reality with no boom tube. And DS can tp. And surfer more powerful? When. Surfer can wave his hand and beat orion and Mr. Niracle let me know. When he can one shot an angel more powerful than despero let me know. When surfer can make the hosted spectre howl in pain let me know. When the surfer can reality warp an avatar of death and strip him of his power let me know. When surfer can reate an alternate reality inside a bh, let me know. For now, he can't do any of that. And lets be clear. Superman gets his ass kicked by yborg superman all of the time. Even if he wins, he has to fight very hard. DS one sotted borg. DS>Borg>superman.
Ds was turpin so that's the from we only see on panel in his true form and it wasn't impressive.Ds had the ale so it all evens out Supes still crushed him like always.
Surfer wins as he's faster and more powerful.
Originally posted by Warlordin countdown, DS was more powerful than superman. When jimmy and DS were fighting, superman could do nothn. Thousands died and he could only stand and watch. Orion used his fill god mode,sent by the source, to kill ds. Clearly he was more powerful than supeman. Orion even foyght the I'm full throttle and lived. The I'm simply held superman easily in an energy shield.
not how he was portrayed initially however...
DS was reduced to that...he used to deal with people like Mordru and Time Traper and now he is a match for orion and Supes
Originally posted by WarlordThat's not canon to Ds. You are trying to use other Ds feats because you are biased.
not how he was portrayed initially however...
DS was reduced to that...he used to deal with people like Mordru and Time Traper and now he is a match for orion and Supes
Originally posted by lightyeargeeSuperman won with them at their best and Ds had a plot device so it's only fair he got one.
I'm trying hard not to insult you. But it seems that being dense is ur norm. It was specifally staed that the bodies that the new gods had were weak and inferior. They did not like their flesh suits. Superman won due to the wish machine and he didn't even crush anything. He simply sent DS back to the fourth world. Surfer is faster than ds? Lulz. DS flew to the source wall from apok. Literally to the end of reality with no boom tube. And DS can tp. And surfer more powerful? When. Surfer can wave his hand and beat orion and Mr. Niracle let me know. When he can one shot an angel more powerful than despero let me know. When surfer can make the hosted spectre howl in pain let me know. When the surfer can reality warp an avatar of death and strip him of his power let me know. When surfer can reate an alternate reality inside a bh, let me know. For now, he can't do any of that. And lets be clear. Superman gets his ass kicked by yborg superman all of the time. Even if he wins, he has to fight very hard. DS one sotted borg. DS>Borg>superman.
Ds failed to beat Dd and was mauled in seconds. LOL. Surfer wrecks planets while holding back and can fly a lot faster than Ds. Show me the distance from the source wall to apok and show me how long it took him.
Originally posted by lightyeargee
I'm trying hard not to insult you. But it seems that being dense is ur norm. It was specifally staed that the bodies that the new gods had were weak and inferior. They did not like their flesh suits. Superman won due to the wish machine and he didn't even crush anything. He simply sent DS back to the fourth world. Surfer is faster than ds? Lulz. DS flew to the source wall from apok. Literally to the end of reality with no boom tube. And DS can tp. And surfer more powerful? When. Surfer can wave his hand and beat orion and Mr. Niracle let me know. When he can one shot an angel more powerful than despero let me know. When surfer can make the hosted spectre howl in pain let me know. When the surfer can reality warp an avatar of death and strip him of his power let me know. When surfer can reate an alternate reality inside a bh, let me know. For now, he can't do any of that. And lets be clear. Superman gets his ass kicked by yborg superman all of the time. Even if he wins, he has to fight very hard. DS one sotted borg. DS>Borg>superman.
Originally posted by quanchi112um fc was not the new gods best. DS fell from heaven. He was weakened. They even talk about those weak bodies. Did you even read the damned thing? Superman still had to use the wish machine for everything to turn out fine. DD fell first. Oh and while we are at it, how come superman couldn't one sot henshaw but DS could?
That's not canon to Ds. You are trying to use other Ds feats because you are biased.Superman won with them at their best and Ds had a plot device so it's only fair he got one.
Ds failed to beat Dd and was mauled in seconds. LOL. Surfer wrecks planets while holding back and can fly a lot faster than Ds. Show me the distance from the source wall to apok and show me how long it took him.
Originally posted by lightyeargeeSo that's all we have to go on and despite the ale Supes wrecked him.
um fc was not the new gods best. DS fell from heaven. He was weakened. They even talk about those weak bodies. Did you even read the damned thing? Superman still had to use the wish machine for everything to turn out fine. DD fell first. Oh and while we are at it, how come superman couldn't one sot henshaw but DS could?
Ds oneshotted him because Superman distracted him after saving his life from DD who mauled him.
Originally posted by quanchi112No. According to FC,all new gods stories are avatars and all canon. The new gods do not operate in the present or past or future. It was een staed in the new gods series that all new gods travwrse time. GDS is canon to DS. Especially since superman remebers that legion again.
They happen in the future which means alternate Seid. How can you still not get this?
Originally posted by lightyeargeeNo, it's only canon to that Ds since those events didn't take place yet. You cannot apply events and feats far in the future to their current selves. Think.
No. According to FC,all new gods stories are avatars and all canon. The new gods do not operate in the present or past or future. It was een staed in the new gods series that all new gods travwrse time. GDS is canon to DS. Especially since superman remebers that legion again.
Originally posted by quanchi112LOL at that weak response. What we have to go on is that DS was in a human body and the story even says that their bodies were weak and pathetic. What's funny is that DS is the only being in comics to ever put DD down for so long so fast. Everyone else died at DDs hands. But not DS. And he even heals fully by stories end. DD in HP was beyond even gaurdians and wave rider. Yet DS lives through a brutal beating. After being the onky guy ever to put DD down that fast. The only other being who did it was imperiex. A universal destroyer.
So that's all we have to go on and despite the ale Supes wrecked him.Ds oneshotted him because Superman distracted him after saving his life from DD who mauled him.