Magneto should be fighting the entire team, not just Torch. And Jubilee would never beat Magneto. Magneto in his prime may even take a few wins WITHOUT powers. Bleh. Also this all seems contradictory since when it showed the actual process of High Evolutionary giving Magneto his powers back, it said it rejuvenated him and made him like 20 years younger. I remember it clearly because I groaned when I read it.
Forgive me, but what exactly could Magneto do to Torch? Assuming both where at their highest levels, Torch would burn through any metal that Magneto threw his way and probably make him less powerful simply due to heat. I know thats an understatement of the battle, but I'm just trying to simplify the situation.
I mean, I know this forum loves Magneto and Torch is a team player that doesnt get much stand alone time, but the guy can probably reach the highest temps of any earth based hero as well as fly circles around Magneto.
Originally posted by tideoftime
I go with Magneto, as well (though Torch could win under certain circumstances) 9/10Some people forget that Magneto's powers often extend beyond magnetism (though they drop greatly the further removed conceptually the effect is from his primary power).
Originally posted by Blair Windwell, if you want to get technical, magneto could send a big object at human torch that he could casually melt with a direct heat blast ala she-hulk, but unlike her, magneto could send them at all directions simultaneously. HT could use an omnidirectional nova type blast, but it will take a toll on him physically/mentally, and he will have no choice but to use it.
Forgive me, but what exactly could Magneto do to Torch? Assuming both where at their highest levels, Torch would burn through any metal that Magneto threw his way and probably make him less powerful simply due to heat. I know thats an understatement of the battle, but I'm just trying to simplify the situation.I mean, I know this forum loves Magneto and Torch is a team player that doesnt get much stand alone time, but the guy can probably reach the highest temps of any earth based hero as well as fly circles around Magneto.
magneto can technically still effect that molten steel since smelting and what not reduces impurities, it's still the element of iron at the end of the day and still under magneto's influence.
and HT can't do anything about actual electro-magnetic blasts from magneto himself...okay he can dodge them but magneto (at his peak) should be able to do the stuff i said in the first paragraph with one hand and blast him with the other, providing he would even need to direct that sort of thing with his hands to begin with.
+ the almighty magneto shield stops everything HT can dump on him.
That ****ing scene with Magneto and Predator X is a ****ing joke. Isn't Magneto intended to be at his physical peak?
Seriously, some how High Evolutionary's suit makes him more powerful than ever but didn't Cannoball of all people take him out? His helmet has been retconed to what gave him his telepathic resistance and not his own natural will and telepathic defenses
Fraction is being retarded with this. It's utterly stupid. One of those Predators died in a plain crash and freaking Scalphunter one shotted them.
Magneto should be able to take on all the Predator's with them not having any metal skin and absolutely stomp them.
It was just.....facepalm
Magneto stomps Human Torch 10/10 effortessly. Fraction's Magneto is not the real deal. It's a Skrull.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That ****ing scene with Magneto and Predator X is a ****ing joke. Isn't Magneto intended to be at his physical peak?
Not his body, I think he said something about his powers being back to what they used to a man in his 20's but I don't think it said anything about his body. His power is weird it depending on the writer it damages his own nervous system, maybe he has to much power for his body to handle.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympusit was retconned back actually. originally magneto never had a helmet for years and all his mental defenses against charles were due to his minor telepathic skill.
That ****ing scene with Magneto and Predator X is a ****ing joke. Isn't Magneto intended to be at his physical peak?Seriously, some how High Evolutionary's suit makes him more powerful than ever but didn't Cannoball of all people take him out? His helmet has been retconed to what gave him his telepathic resistance and not his own natural will and telepathic defenses
Fraction is being retarded with this. It's utterly stupid. One of those Predators died in a plain crash and freaking Scalphunter one shotted them.
Magneto should be able to take on all the Predator's with them not having any metal skin and absolutely stomp them.
It was just.....facepalm
Magneto stomps Human Torch 10/10 effortessly. Fraction's Magneto is not the real deal. It's a Skrull.
magneto back in the day wasn't a telekinetic but he could communicate telepathically to his brotherhood and was able to at least prevent a full mindrape from professor X
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Not his body, I think he said something about his powers being back to what they used to a man in his 20's but I don't think it said anything about his body. His power is weird it depending on the writer it damages his own nervous system, maybe he has to much power for his body to handle.
His body is intended to be at his physical peak. I remember coming across a scan and issue where it shows this, and I don't think the situation has been said to change. Fraction is just ignoring it. And even going by the current time line, didn't Magneto say he was completely rejuvenated or some crap when we saw the issue where Magneto had his powers returned (Don't think it was by Fraction.)?
Originally posted by psycho gundam
it was retconned back actually. originally magneto never had a helmet for years and all his mental defenses against charles were due to his minor telepathic skill.magneto back in the day wasn't a telekinetic but he could communicate telepathically to his brotherhood and was able to at least prevent a full mindrape from professor X
I meant in the last issue of Fraction's X-men it was stated that his helmet apparently gives him his mental protection.
I knew that before this recent incident it was established that it was he, himself that provided such defenses.
Yea, Magneto was stated to be a latent telepath and has shown telepathic abilities. I even recall him using the Astral Plane and other shit.
Seriously, Magneto should be Top Tier, but according to Fraction he wouldn't even break Low Tier.
That's the problem with having such a powerful character on a team. They pissed on Thor making him a brick who just stands around at times and are pissing even worse on Sentry.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
His body is intended to be at his physical peak. I remember coming across a scan and issue where it shows this, and I don't think the situation has been said to change. Fraction is just ignoring it. And even going by the current time line, didn't Magneto say he was completely rejuvenated or some crap when we saw the issue where Magneto had his powers returned (Don't think it was by Fraction.)?
He's read. It said the process with the Celestial like de-aged him back to his 20s.
Originally posted by redhotrash
He's read. It said the process with the Celestial like de-aged him back to his 20s.
Yea, that's the one.
He was already at his peak. Making him even younger, should be even better.
But having a Top Tier like Magneto on an X-men team along with someone with a power house like Namor? Too powerful. Look what his doing to Iceman whose supposed to be more powerful than ever. The only one whose impressed me is Namor. But whatever.
X-men isn't Fraction's best work but when he writes Thor his excellent.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
His helmet has been retconed to what gave him his telepathic resistance and not his own natural will and telepathic defenses
There's always been alot of debate about this. I know that most posters agree that Magneto has always had latent telepathic powers, but I know for fact there is a relatively old scan that has Dr. Doom talking to Erik about his helmet and stating on panel it protected him from telepathy.
Anyways, does anyone have any scans of Magneto and Torch ever facing off? I'm sure in comics Magneto would win, but I'm giving Torch the benefit of the doubt because his magnetic fields should be weakened against him. I mean heating a magnet will disturb the magnetic field—the spin of the electrons goes out of alignment and becomes random. Also, it should disrupt his control over metals as:
"ferromagnet materials will lose their magnetism if heated above a point known as the Curie temperature. At this point, the energy being put into the magnet from the heat will permanently disrupt the magnetic domain structure of the material, turning it into a paramagnetic material [a similar effect occurs in materials called hard ferrites, which exhibit a form of magnetism called ferrimagnetism; the analogous temperature for these materials is known as the Neel point]. You would have to re-magnetize the magnet again, either in a solenoid or with another permanent magnet, in order to restore the magnetism. If you heat a magnet up a little bit, it will lose some of its magnetism, but on returning to room temperature [depending on how high it was heated, and on the shape of the magnet itself], full magnetism can be restored."
Then again, he could always give Magneto a heat stroke (ala She Hulk in CoC). Or go Nova and end it. Just saying, I like Magneto, I just don't see how the one power that disrupts his is being so easily dismissed.