Originally posted by StoicNor had Surfer. hell Surfer had no access to the Power cosmic.
@ Nihilist, using the Hulk from Sakaar during his fight with the Surfer is a bad example that I just wanted to point out. The Hulk had not yet fully recovered from entering the wormhole that reduced him in power while he fought the Surfer.
Originally posted by Nihilist
Nor had Surfer. hell Surfer had no access to the Power cosmic.
Therefore it's an unquantifiable showing. No one knows what power level that they were operating on. All that I can say for certain, is that for one The Hulk of 634-635 would rip the Surfers arms off and beat him with them, and two, The Surfer wouldn't be power draining a Hulk that is in control of his transformations. Arm'Cheddon failed in the attempt, as did Big Red (Rulk).
I recall Quanchi spouting nonsense about the subject of this being the most powerful Hulk ever seen, as if he was incapable of ramping up so high, and yet he has always been written to be able to pull power stunts like this, but simply fearful of the destruction that it would cause.
He also said that WW Hulk and the World Breaker were different incarnations of the Hulk, yet the first time that the World Breaker was mentioned was during Planet Hulk. I didn't have time to reply then, but consider this what I wanted to say.
Originally posted by StoicSurfer had less access to a power reserve than Hulk did in Planet Hulk in was beating Hulk at his own game till the warbound stepped in to save him, deal with it.
Therefore it's an unquantifiable showing. No one knows what power level that they were operating on. All that I can say for certain, is that for one The Hulk of 634-635 would rip the Surfers arms off and beat him with them, and two, The Surfer wouldn't be power draining a Hulk that is in control of his transformations. Arm'Cheddon failed in the attempt, as did Big Red (Rulk).I recall Quanchi spouting nonsense about the subject of this being the most powerful Hulk ever seen, as if he was incapable of ramping up so high, and yet he has always been written to be able to pull power stunts like this, but simply fearful of the destruction that it would cause.
He also said that WW Hulk and the World Breaker were different incarnations of the Hulk, yet the first time that the World Breaker was mentioned was during Planet Hulk. I didn't have time to reply then, but consider this what I wanted to say.
The rest about hulk ripping Surfers arms off is just typical rabid fanboy nonsense im affraid.
Originally posted by Nihilist
Surfer had less access to a power reserve than Hulk did in Planet Hulk in was beating Hulk at his own game till the warbound stepped in to save him, deal with it.The rest about hulk ripping Surfers arms off is just typical rabid fanboy nonsense im affraid.
You know what you should deal with? You should deal with the Surfer being nearly choked to death by a non Power Gem Drax (infantile Drax that is). That particular Drax had a hard time with the merged Hulk, and we all know that Hulk from 634-635 was operating on a far higher level than merged Hulk (well everyone except, perhaps... you). I go so far as to say that infantile Drax handled the Surfer far easier than Thanos did when he beat the Surfer down with a "flurry" of blows. Hmm even you must realize that something is certainly not adding up here.
Iirc, The Hulk was holding back during WW Hulk out of fear of hurting innocents, we saw what he did in the Dark Dimension, and he could still ramp up higher.
Oh so Thanos launched Galactus huh? Technically Classic Rogue would be able to pick a typical Galactus up, and toss him, because according to his Marvel synopsis, he typically walks around weighing roughly 25 tons. Was the feat more than it was meant to be? hmmm.
The Surfer on Sakaar vs a weakened Hulk was as I mentioned an unquantified meeting. You need to drop whatever point you think you have, and deal with some more concrete themes. Oh, here's one... Drax pulled Thanos' heart out and he dropped dead, and yet when the Hulk Buster named "Rock" pulled out the Grey Hulk's heart, he didn't die? What does that say?
Yes he would rip his arms off, and beat him with them. Fanboy? Maybe. That ploy still doesn't negate the points that I brought up that you have failed to contest. Just concede, it'll be alright.
To me Surfer was at even more of a disadvantage than the hulk was. Hulk though weakened could still get stronger as time went by right? Surfer couldnt even fly on his board. Much less use cosmic blasts or anything of the sort...Yet he was still beating hulk and sending him flying.
That said...its hard to use in an argument of the current versions. Without PIS surfer shouldnt be within the hulks melee range. And the attacks surfe used on hulk in Planet hulk probably wont have anywhere near the same effect.
On topic: WWH wont beat Thanos in a fist fight imo. WB will though.
Originally posted by StoicShould of realised it would be a waste of time with you, after all youre still trying to use Drax killing Thanos as some kind of marker for Hulk>Thanos.
You know what you should deal with? You should deal with the Surfer being nearly choked to death by a non Power Gem Drax (infantile Drax that is). That particular Drax had a hard time with the merged Hulk, and we all know that Hulk from 634-635 was operating on a far higher level than merged Hulk (well everyone except, perhaps... you). I go so far as to say that infantile Drax handled the Surfer far easier than Thanos did when he beat the Surfer down with a "flurry" of blows. Hmm even you must realize that something is certainly not adding up here.Iirc, The Hulk was holding back during WW Hulk out of fear of hurting innocents, we saw what he did in the Dark Dimension, and he could still ramp up higher.
Oh so Thanos launched Galactus huh? Technically Classic Rogue would be able to pick a typical Galactus up, and toss him, because according to his Marvel synopsis, he typically walks around weighing roughly 25 tons. Was the feat more than it was meant to be? hmmm.
The Surfer on Sakaar vs a weakened Hulk was as I mentioned an unquantified meeting. You need to drop whatever point you think you have, and deal with some more concrete themes. Oh, here's one... Drax pulled Thanos' heart out and he dropped dead, and yet when the Hulk Buster named "Rock" pulled out the Grey Hulk's heart, he didn't die? What does that say?
Yes he would rip his arms off, and beat him with them. Fanboy? Maybe. That ploy still doesn't negate the points that I brought up that you have failed to contest. Just concede, it'll be alright.
Its not like Drax wasnt created by the God of Titan who is a abstract/Cosmic entity and underwent several incarnation changes untill he could actually do what he was created to do..how stupid would that make you look if that were true!
Originally posted by NihilistI think the point he was trying to make was "no heart Thanos died < no heart hulk lived".
Should of realised it would be a waste of time with you, after all youre still trying to use Drax killing Thanos as some kind of marker for Hulk>Thanos.Its not like Drax wasnt created by the God of Titan who is a abstract/Cosmic entity and underwent several incarnation changes untill he could actually do what he was created to do..how stupid would that make you look if that were true!
Originally posted by NihilistI agree Surfer came through the portal after Hulk so didn't have as much time to recover or much access to the Power Cosmic, but let's not exaggerate. Surfer toppled Hulk once. Hulk did use teamwork to stop him but Hulk was hardly getting overwhelmed, much less being on the brink of death. It was Hulk's fists that were well on their way to murdering Surfer.
Surfer had less access to a power reserve than Hulk did in Planet Hulk in was beating Hulk at his own game till the warbound stepped in to save him, deal with it.The rest about hulk ripping Surfers arms off is just typical rabid fanboy nonsense im affraid.
Originally posted by Damborgson
To me Surfer was at even more of a disadvantage than the hulk was. Hulk though weakened could still get stronger as time went by right? Surfer couldnt even fly on his board. Much less use cosmic blasts or anything of the sort...Yet he was still beating hulk and sending him flying.That said...its hard to use in an argument of the current versions. Without PIS surfer shouldnt be within the hulks melee range. And the attacks surfe used on hulk in Planet hulk probably wont have anywhere near the same effect.
On topic: WWH wont beat Thanos in a fist fight imo. WB will though.
On Sakaar the Hulk had trouble healing during the time mentioned. At that very time that you mentioned no one truly knows how powerful the Hulk was because he hadn't yet recovered from being exposed to the wormholes effect on him, so as I said before it is an unquantified meeting. You see my point?
WW Hulk and World Breaker Hulk were one and the same incarnations of the character, unless you believe that he couldn't have broken the planet that he desperately asked for someone to please stop him from doing. IIRC he admitted to holding back, which was written... do you remember that? His entire battle with Sentry, Zom, the heroes, Hercules, the army Iroman...etc was him holding back for fear of killing innocents, hence why he asked if there were any innocent during his rampage in the Dark Dimension.
So yes I would agree that if he holds back his rage Thanos could certainly win, but in a forum match where there are no innocents to worry about, all bets of that happening are off.
Originally posted by BlightThe guy that wrote annihilation Keith Giffen said that Draxs power negated Thanos power and seeing as all Eternal have molecular control of their bodies(which Thanos showed in Thanos quest) he wouldnt have died like that.
I think the point he was trying to make was "no heart Thanos died < no heart hulk lived".
His point is moot as only Drax was capable of doing what he did.
Originally posted by Nihilist
The guy that wrote annihilation Keith Giffen said that Draxs power negated Thanos power and seeing as all Eternal have molecular control of their bodies(which Thanos showed in Thanos quest) he wouldnt have died like that.His point is moot as only Drax was capable of doing what he did.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Agree, but without the Warbounds help and the condition Hulk/Surfer was in due to the wormhole and the way the fight was going before the help, Surfer would of carried on beating the Hulk ftw.
I agree Surfer came through the portal after Hulk so didn't have as much time to recover or much access to the Power Cosmic, but let's not exaggerate. Surfer toppled Hulk once. Hulk did use teamwork to stop him but Hulk was hardly getting overwhelmed, much less being on the brink of death. It was Hulk's fists that were well on their way to murdering Surfer.
