Originally posted by OneDumbG0
So me regaining too much strength is dispositive of me regaining all my strength, much less nearly all my strength.No. That's not how it works. Your English composition and comprehension is atrocious. MAYBE BECAUSE HE JUST GOT DISINTEGRATED?! W.T.F. Awful lie. You've obviously obtained a Doctorate in Wolverithmetics. Drax had no green aura when he assaulted Thanos with the antimatter mine. He didn't even assult Thanos with his own physical body. So please, just stop it. In conclusion, the game's been over before you started. Take your tokens elsewhere and go play some other games.
My english is bad LMAO... So tell then... the line "he's regained too much strength" means he's regained ALL his strength in that your contention? Please please tell me so hahahaaha.
Really, so him blowing up is why he was still regaining strength.. funny theory... then explain why he wasn't the bumbling.. slurring words Thanos that first appeared. If his death really reset him back to being born again like you're asserting... then he would've had the same issues as he first had when he awoke... BUT WAIT.. UH OOOOO.. that isn't the case isn't it.. So that pretty much debunks that theory.. or wait are you going to claim that it wasn't a full reset and he came back half as good... if so please provide ANY evidence to support this theory. If not, then we'll assume he picked up right where he left off and just regenerated.
So you're denying that i can't recall if it was DnA or Andy S. said Andy Schmidt:
"Yes. That is what happened. Essentially (and no, I'm never going to say this in an actual comic book because it's too on the nose) part of Drax's programming is to continue to modify/improve/update his power-set until he gets the job done. He's had powers that were ineffective in the past (power blasts and flight) and so he was reconfigured in the cacoon with the right combination of elements to kill Thanos. He lost the ineffective ones, repaired his mind, and built in some new ones that are more effective on Thanos and his force field and such. All of that coupled with Thanos being distracted led to Thanos' demise."
In another interview it was stated that Drax simply being around Thanos negates his Eternal powers and molecular control. You're denying this happened? Even though we SEE a green Aura around drax and him landing the kililng blow in annihilation. NOW, you're saying that because there was no green aura that his powers no longer work that way WTF... why would they be any different... he lost all his Thanos killing power and DNA.. please provide a scan that ever says such a thing. Just because no green aura was drawn doesn't mean it wasn't there. Remember Mr. ooo different artist depictions can draw it differently.. remember arguing this point.. so SURELY.. SURELY.. you aren't saying that just because it wasn't draw it doesn't exist.. since ya know it was encoded in his DNA and that has always been how it is... now you're claiming it no longer is.. scans and issue numbers please.
Keep trying ODG.. keep trying
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiRegaining too much strength is not dispositive of regaining all your strength. I cannot state this more clearly than I already have. I never said that regaining too much strength undeniably only means that he regained full strength. Stop misrepresenting me. I understand that's all you're left with at this point, misrepresenting me, but it's even more ineffective than trying to force your own false absolute: that regaining too much strength cannot possibly mean he regained full strength. That's wrong. I'm not going to bandy words with you over English comprehension when you argue that "universe = multiverse" and completely butcher what "stalemate" actually means.
My english is bad LMAO... So tell then... the line "he's regained too much strength" means he's regained ALL his strength in that your contention? Please please tell me so hahahaaha.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiYou've just unintentionally destroyed your own position completely. Try and see what you did there.
Really, so him blowing up is why he was still regaining strength.. funny theory... then explain why he wasn't the bumbling.. slurring words Thanos that first appeared. If his death really reset him back to being born again like you're asserting... then he would've had the same issues as he first had when he awoke... BUT WAIT.. UH OOOOO.. that isn't the case isn't it.. So that pretty much debunks that theory.. or wait are you going to claim that it wasn't a full reset and he came back half as good... if so please provide ANY evidence to support this theory. If not, then we'll assume he picked up right where he left off and just regenerated.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiI don't give two craps about DnA clarifying what happened in Annihilation. It's clear what happened in Annihilation, Drax developed a green aura to pierce through Thanos' forcefield and body. Nothing of the sort happened in Thanos Imperative. Nothing. Drax used a device he carried around. That device wasn't imbued with anti-Thanos aura and Thanos wasn't weakened by an invisible anti-Thanos aura emanating from Drax. I'm not going to imagine that it's become invisible now and that Thanos was losing control over his own powers when nothing indicates that whatsoever. And I don't have to apologize for your complete lack of evidence from Thanos Imperative or dignify your utter speculation by proving a negative.
So you're denying that i can't recall if it was DnA or Andy S. said Andy Schmidt:"Yes. That is what happened. Essentially (and no, I'm never going to say this in an actual comic book because it's too on the nose) part of Drax's programming is to continue to modify/improve/update his power-set until he gets the job done. He's had powers that were ineffective in the past (power blasts and flight) and so he was reconfigured in the cacoon with the right combination of elements to kill Thanos. He lost the ineffective ones, repaired his mind, and built in some new ones that are more effective on Thanos and his force field and such. All of that coupled with Thanos being distracted led to Thanos' demise."
In another interview it was stated that Drax simply being around Thanos negates his Eternal powers and molecular control. You're denying this happened? Even though we SEE a green Aura around drax and him landing the kililng blow in annihilation. NOW, you're saying that because there was no green aura that his powers no longer work that way WTF... why would they be any different... he lost all his Thanos killing power and DNA.. please provide a scan that ever says such a thing. Just because no green aura was drawn doesn't mean it wasn't there. Remember Mr. ooo different artist depictions can draw it differently.. remember arguing this point.. so SURELY.. SURELY.. you aren't saying that just because it wasn't draw it doesn't exist.. since ya know it was encoded in his DNA and that has always been how it is... now you're claiming it no longer is.. scans and issue numbers please.
Keep trying ODG.. keep trying
I might as well argue that Death's amp imbued Thanos with a specific anti-Drax aura that lowered Drax's physicality when around him which is why Thanos killed him so easily. It was also invisible. It also amped Thanos' physicality too. Which means that Thanos was unusually amped when the antimatter mine killed him. Which means that a smaller antimatter discharge would kill him just as good so long as Drax isn't around to trigger this amp. Death was obviously protecting Thanos before and after Drax first murdered him so she could counter the Cancerverse. So prove me wrong. None of that sh1ts on-panel or portrayed in the slightest, but hey, weak and unsupported speculation floats your boat? It sinks it too.
You have nothing else other than weak unsupported speculation. And it's the precise reason you keep resorting to logical fallacies will always end up defeating your own arguments. Enough is enough. Stop trying so hard. The more you try, the more ridiculous your position and argumentation (or lack thereof) becomes. The more you deflect from the plain presentation of the comic itself, the more exposed your position becomes. At this point, I'm belaboring the obvious. And it's boring. Come back when you have on-panel evidence. You're speculating until you do.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosii remember speculating about it, but there was no on-panel statement i'm aware of that's all.
read above post. You know about this PG.. you have mentioned the green aura before and that is why Drax was able to do what he did.. which was later confirmed by DnA.. now you're saying you don't know where this was shown or stated?
Originally posted by carver9Like the countless Thanos threads you have made, like the Thanos vs 50 Wolverines hth
That's what he does. He will be making some Hulk vs Galactus threads soon just to piss you off.
Originally posted by carver9The ones in this thread and the other Hulk/Thanos thread.
Which post was this?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Regaining too much strength is not dispositive of regaining all your strength. I cannot state this more clearly than I already have. I never said that regaining too much strength undeniably only means that he regained full strength. Stop misrepresenting me. I understand that's all you're left with at this point, misrepresenting me, but it's even more ineffective than trying to force your own false absolute: that regaining too much strength cannot possibly mean he regained full strength. That's wrong. I'm not going to bandy words with you over English comprehension when you argue that "universe = multiverse" and completely butcher what "stalemate" actually means. You've just unintentionally destroyed your own position completely. Try and see what you did there. I don't give two craps about DnA clarifying what happened in Annihilation. It's clear what happened in Annihilation, Drax developed a green aura to pierce through Thanos' forcefield and body. Nothing of the sort happened in Thanos Imperative. Nothing. Drax used a device he carried around. That device wasn't imbued with anti-Thanos aura and Thanos wasn't weakened by an invisible anti-Thanos aura emanating from Drax. I'm not going to imagine that it's become invisible now and that Thanos was losing control over his own powers when nothing indicates that whatsoever. And I don't have to apologize for your complete lack of evidence from Thanos Imperative or dignify your utter speculation by proving a negative.I might as well argue that Death's amp imbued Thanos with a specific anti-Drax aura that lowered Drax's physicality when around him which is why Thanos killed him so easily. It was also invisible. It also amped Thanos' physicality too. Which means that Thanos was unusually amped when the antimatter mine killed him. Which means that a smaller antimatter discharge would kill him just as good so long as Drax isn't around to trigger this amp. Death was obviously protecting Thanos before and after Drax first murdered him so she could counter the Cancerverse. So prove me wrong. None of that sh1ts on-panel or portrayed in the slightest, but hey, weak and unsupported speculation floats your boat? It sinks it too.
You have nothing else other than weak unsupported speculation. And it's the precise reason you keep resorting to logical fallacies will always end up defeating your own arguments. Enough is enough. Stop trying so hard. The more you try, the more ridiculous your position and argumentation (or lack thereof) becomes. The more you deflect from the plain presentation of the comic itself, the more exposed your position becomes. At this point, I'm belaboring the obvious. And it's boring. Come back when you have on-panel evidence. You're speculating until you do.
Well you're making progress as you concede it doesn't mean he was at full power and him being weakened could very well be true.Glad you conceded this point. You hadn't before because you said there is no proof he was still weakened.. yet concede that is possible since regained too much could imply there is still more to gain. I also debunked your theory about him not exhibiting weakness like he had before doesn't mean he was at full power. He was gradually regaining strength so of course some of his symptoms were going away. That stands to reason but doesn't mean he was at full power either. Glad you admiited such.
Next, please clarify your position as I didn't destroy any argument of mine just tried to figure out what you're saying. Please then, what level did Thanos come back after Drax killed him.. was it back to when he first brought back.. was it to the point right before drax killed him.. was it to some level that you're makign it up in your head?
Lastly, a few things which are pretty basic....
1. You're claiming you don't give too shits what happened in annihilation yet that is distinctly relevant to T.I. since ya know, we are dealing with Drax and Thanos again. Is it's your contention that Drax no longer has the power to kill thanos and what DnA and Andy S explained as when Drax gets around Thanos it makes his eternal powers not work. So it's your contention that Drax lost this power at some point.. If so can I please have scans and issue numbers please. As it stands, he STILL has that POWER and if he is around Thanos can deal death to him and can cause his Eternal powers to not work. If you have any evidence he no longer has those powers... post up the scans.
2. Have you not argued (you know you have) that artist depict things different... blasting.. shields.. speed etc etc. So isn't it true that just because there was no green aura around drax this time.. doesn't mean it wasn't present. After all we have zero information that he lost this power, so if he still has it, it doesn't matter if there was a green aura a pink aura or no aura.. he still has this power when around Thanos. True or not?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0I am sure as i reread it and the corrected you.
[B] Pretty sure your timeline is mixed up. Reread it.
Yeah, and by your same arbitrary number randoming, I'd say at 90% of his power, he'd only tank 30% of the blast leaving 70% incinerated. Because, y'know, I shouldn't just tie the two together proportionately. Anti-matter is that effective. Prove this is wrong since you're so fond of negative proof.😂 you know comics dont work that way, and i only used the numbers as a example and not as solid proof.
^ You didn't actually. Re-read it.
Which is why it's utterly baserless speculation, as I've been saying this whole time. Why you're so offended by my calling it how it is, is a problem I'm not going to solve.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiI never argued Thanos couldn't possibly be weakened. There is no concession. Stop trying to turn an unextraordinary statement I made into some sort of victorious success that was extracted from me unwillingly via your argumentation. It wasn't. And your self-masturbation is beneath you. At least it should be. I'll understand if you're trying to hide your concession that Thanos regaining too much strength is not dispositive of him regaining full strength. But I don't take pride in pointing out basic English comprehension. You're becoming a tired act.
Well you're making progress as you concede it doesn't mean he was at full power and him being weakened could very well be true.Glad you conceded this point. You hadn't before because you said there is no proof he was still weakened.. yet concede that is possible since regained too much could imply there is still more to gain. I also debunked your theory about him not exhibiting weakness like he had before doesn't mean he was at full power. He was gradually regaining strength so of course some of his symptoms were going away. That stands to reason but doesn't mean he was at full power either. Glad you admiited such.
Trying to act like him regaining strength after being disintegrated cannot possibly have to do with him being disintegrated because he would have started off at the same level of power before death is retarded. Even for you. Think about what you're trying to sell here.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiRead above. You're not a baby, KMC forums aren't a bib, and I'm not your mommy. Spoonfeed yourself.
Next, please clarify your position as I didn't destroy any argument of mine just tried to figure out what you're saying. Please then, what level did Thanos come back after Drax killed him.. was it back to when he first brought back.. was it to the point right before drax killed him.. was it to some level that you're makign it up in your head?
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiIt has nothing to do with Thanos Imperative since no invisible anti-Thanos aura was portrayed or mentioned, none of the deleterious effects on Thanos were portrayed or mentioned and Drax didn't even use his own spontaneously evolved powers to assault Thanos. He used a device. It wasn't imbued with invisible anti-Thanos aura. God. You're so awful at this point. Stop trying to act like I have to prove a negative. Try supporting your own baseless speculation with evidence from the comic.
Lastly, a few things which are pretty basic....1. You're claiming you don't give too shits what happened in annihilation yet that is distinctly relevant to T.I. since ya know, we are dealing with Drax and Thanos again. Is it's your contention that Drax no longer has the power to kill thanos and what DnA and Andy S explained as when Drax gets around Thanos it makes his eternal powers not work. So it's your contention that Drax lost this power at some point.. If so can I please have scans and issue numbers please. As it stands, he STILL has that POWER and if he is around Thanos can deal death to him and can cause his Eternal powers to not work. If you have any evidence he no longer has those powers... post up the scans.
2. Have you not argued (you know you have) that artist depict things different... blasting.. shields.. speed etc etc. So isn't it true that just because there was no green aura around drax this time.. doesn't mean it wasn't present. After all we have zero information that he lost this power, so if he still has it, it doesn't matter if there was a green aura a pink aura or no aura.. he still has this power when around Thanos. True or not?
You've presented me with nothing but baseless speculation. I don't have anything to counter other than your insistence that somehow what you're arguing isn't wholly speculative. And it's not my fault that you won't accept that's how flimsy your position is.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Yeah i did, i actually think you havent read it all.
[B]^ You didn't actually. Re-read it.
Which is why it's utterly baserless speculation, as I've been saying this whole time. Why you're so offended by my calling it how it is, is a problem I'm not going to solve.Its not purely baseless on him being weak, as it was mentioned/stated about his power lvl throughout the story and how he was "only starting to get stronger" at the start of them entering the Cancerverse.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ You didn't actually. Re-read it.Which is why it's utterly baserless speculation, as I've been saying this whole time. Why you're so offended by my calling it how it is, is a problem I'm not going to solve. I never argued Thanos couldn't possibly be weakened. There is no concession. Stop trying to turn an unextraordinary statement I made into some sort of victorious success that was extracted from me unwillingly via your argumentation. It wasn't. And your self-masturbation is beneath you. At least it should be. I'll understand if you're trying to hide your concession that Thanos regaining too much strength is not dispositive of him regaining full strength. But I don't take pride in pointing out basic English comprehension. You're becoming a tired act.
Trying to act like him regaining strength after being disintegrated cannot possibly have to do with him being disintegrated because he would have started off at the same level of power before death is retarded. Even for you. Think about what you're trying to sell here. Read above. You're not a baby, KMC forums aren't a bib, and I'm not your mommy. Spoonfeed yourself. It has nothing to do with Thanos Imperative since no invisible anti-Thanos aura was portrayed or mentioned, none of the deleterious effects on Thanos were portrayed or mentioned and Drax didn't even use his own spontaneously evolved powers to assault Thanos. He used a device. It wasn't imbued with invisible anti-Thanos aura. God. You're so awful at this point. Stop trying to act like I have to prove a negative. Try supporting your own baseless speculation with evidence from the comic.
You've presented me with nothing but baseless speculation. I don't have anything to counter other than your insistence that somehow what you're arguing isn't wholly speculative. And it's not my fault that you won't accept that's how flimsy your position is.
Don't think I didn't notice your concession on ot wanting to say what level Thanos came back at. I did.
Next, answer these basic question which you avoided again..
1. Did DRAX LOSE HIS POWERS from annihilation against Thanos. You seem to imply he did since he didn't show any and used a bomb. Guess what, if Drax just being AROUND THANOS can turn of his eternal powers and control over his molecular structure.. damn right a bomb will have more of an effect. So again, did Drax lose all his powers against Thanos
2. So now it's your claim that artist depiction can't vary from comic to comic.. be careful here.. Well I actually want you to admit this is your contention as it will make other arguments clear and easier. So again, all artist draw things the same correct? And since no aura was shown no aura could possibly be there correct? Even though we know Drax didn't lose his powers and he should still have the same effect on Thanos.
Originally posted by NihilistNo, you didn't. If you think evidence that Thanos was recovering came only after he entered the Cancerverse since his resurrection, you're completely wrong. Either way, Drax killed him two issues after they entered the Cancerverse. So stop pretending like Thanos only started recovering a minute before Drax killed him.
Yeah i did, i actually think you havent read it all.Its not purely baseless on him being weak, as it was mentioned/stated about his power lvl throughout the story and how he was "only starting to get stronger" at the start of them entering the Cancerverse.
You misinterpreted. I'm saying it's purely baseless to argue that Thanos possibly being able to recover a little bit more would correlate to an ability to survive the antimatter mine. There's no evidence for it, particularly considering how complete his disintegration was. If Thanos was killed because the antimatter mine blew a very focused piece of his chest off and it was stated that Thanos endured just enough damage to kill him, then your speculation would be more appropriate. Obviously, that's not what happened at all.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiWhat concession? When did I ever argue that Thanos must have been at full power? If I never did, and have always acknowleged that possibility, how can I ever concede? A polite characterization of what you're doing: you're trying to rewrite history; a more blunt characterization: you're lying out the side of your mouth; a more typical KMC-like characterization: you're a @#$%in mess, so stop making #$%^ up, @$$.
Don't think I didn't notice your concession on ot wanting to say what level Thanos came back at. I did.Next, answer these basic question which you avoided again..
1. Did DRAX LOSE HIS POWERS from annihilation against Thanos. You seem to imply he did since he didn't show any and used a bomb. Guess what, if Drax just being AROUND THANOS can turn of his eternal powers and control over his molecular structure.. damn right a bomb will have more of an effect. So again, did Drax lose all his powers against Thanos
2. So now it's your claim that artist depiction can't vary from comic to comic.. be careful here.. Well I actually want you to admit this is your contention as it will make other arguments clear and easier. So again, all artist draw things the same correct? And since no aura was shown no aura could possibly be there correct? Even though we know Drax didn't lose his powers and he should still have the same effect on Thanos.
We both know that the only issue here is you refusing to budge from your position that Thanos couldn't possibly have been fully recovered. That goes against the evidence we see. And your faulty English comprehension doesn't change that one bit. Keep deflecting from your own admittance of that undeniable truth.
Take your straw-mans and get lost. NOTHING indicated that Drax's anti-aura was on, much less that it was invisibly affecting Thanos. Don't even try to analogize this to Thanos' forcefields against Odin because we do see the on-panel elliptical splashing effect in front of Thanos' body. Not only are you offering complete speculation here, pretending that your theory is evidence, but you're being utterly predictable in your deflections about it.
Originally posted by psycho gundamSorry dont have it, it was on cbr a while back, its on herochat somewhere.
Can i see it? Im away from my stuff but a link to it will sufficeissue number
something
I dont really use that statement in debates though, to me it does hold water as they wasnt saying one guy is more powerful/compaing power lvls, instead they were just explaining how something happened in a story.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
I still want to see where it's said drax's power is to negate thanos' eternal powers
Just google Andy Schmidt interview on CBR dicussing Annihilation. He answered numerous question about it there.. i think it got to 176 pages.. I'm not going to comb through it to find it again. Suffice to say, the quote I provide is there along with the negating his eternal powers thing.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
No, you didn't. If you think evidence that Thanos was recovering came only after he entered the Cancerverse since his resurrection, you're completely wrong. Either way, Drax killed him two issues after they entered the Cancerverse. So stop pretending like Thanos only started recovering a minute before Drax killed him.You misinterpreted. I'm saying it's purely baseless to argue that Thanos possibly being able to recover a little bit more would correlate to an ability to survive the antimatter mine. There's no evidence for it, particularly considering how complete his disintegration was. If Thanos was killed because the antimatter mine blew a very focused piece of his chest off and it was stated that Thanos endured just enough damage to kill him, then your speculation would be more appropriate. Obviously, that's not what happened at all. What concession? When did I ever argue that Thanos must have been at full power? If I never did, and have always acknowleged that possibility, how can I ever concede? A polite characterization of what you're doing: you're trying to rewrite history; a more blunt characterization: you're lying out the side of your mouth; a more typical KMC-like characterization: you're a @#$%in mess, so stop making #$%^ up, @$$.
We both know that the only issue here is you refusing to budge from your position that Thanos couldn't possibly have been fully recovered. That goes against the evidence we see. And your faulty English comprehension doesn't change that one bit. Keep deflecting from your own admittance of that undeniable truth.
Take your straw-mans and get lost. NOTHING indicated that Drax's anti-aura was on, much less that it was invisibly affecting Thanos. Don't even try to analogize this to Thanos' forcefields against Odin because we do see the on-panel elliptical splashing effect in front of Thanos' body. Not only are you offering complete speculation here, pretending that your theory is evidence, but you're being utterly predictable in your deflections about it.
You keep avoiding basic question ODG.. you're better than that. I realize admitting them puts your position in a different light, but still, it makes your theory very transparant and faulty. Let me try again...
First, we know that Drax doesn't control this Aura coming on or off.. it has to do with him being in close proximity to Thanos. Thus, it isn't an off or on thing.. it's ALWAYS ON. So then... I will ask again
ARE YOU CLAIMING THAT DRAX LOST HIS POWERS TO LAND THE KILLING BLOW AND NEGATE THANOS ETERNAL POWERS as stated by the writers of Annihilation? Simple question.. DID HE LOSE THE ENCODING IN HIS DNA???? Very straight forward question you keep avoding and we all know why. If he did.. please provide a scan or issue number backing up this claim. IF not, he thus still retained said power and whether it was a green aura, pink aura (your choice i'm sure) or no Aura his powers work just the same. He can land the killing blow on Thanos and negates his eternal powers.
Lastly, nice try and straw-man buddy but you failed like usual. We're aren't talking about the Thanos vs. Odin shield are we? No No No. we're talking about your contention that shields don't have to be drawn.. Referencing Doom even in your backup of this theory. You also reference how Thanos had a shield against Tyrant (never shown or mentioned). Nice try though but I saw right through it. So, we are talking about YOUR assertion (which you've done countless times, which is why seeing you backpedal and squirm is amusing). Have you not referenced Doom shield is sometimes draw and something not??? Simple question. Have you not also said that artist depiction change from comic to comic.. things are sometimes drawn and sometimes not?? Simple question and I can find your quotes if need be. Point is, isn't it possible under your theory you've championed.. that the aura could be there just not drawn?