not sure who wins cause i missed a lot of newer quasar stuff, but some of the reasons how superman wins being said here are pretty funny.
if superman absorbs the pure quantum energy form of quasar, then he has quasar withing him, whom is analogous to a green lantern in power set....not very good for superman. what if quasar is still conscious and starts panicking to escape? quantum jump to the Q-zone, funneling massive amounts of quantum energy outwards to escape, etc.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Funyy, I am just going by what the comic stated.
Superman used counter vibration to counter DS. At that time, he was only energy. In this fight, if Quasar turn into pure energy, he'll will be screwed.The fact that I had to post proof that everyone, and everything vibrate doesn't that I'll go to extreme lengths.
Come ON! Just because it worked as a plot device on a specific issue with specific situations dictating it, doesn't mean that it will work on ALL characters, on ALL situations, every single time. :-/
Quasar has FULL control of his energy due to the Qbands, he is immune to psionic/telepathic attack, can reform at will, can absorb energy at a scale far beyond what supes operates in and is virtually immune to physical trauma (being an energy body and all). Heck, he's survived Nullificiation by the UN (countervibration's got nothing on this).
Originally posted by D_Dude1210That's the thing. The attack was used on DS who at that time(if I am right) was energy. He didn't have a body just like Quasar. If was someone who had a physical body then perhaps you can make an argument saying that they are resistant to it. However, if Superman did it to DS, there is nothing to in my mind that would say Quasar can handle it.
Come ON! Just because it worked as a plot device on a specific issue with specific situations dictating it, doesn't mean that it will work on ALL characters, on ALL situations, every single time. :-/Quasar has FULL control of his energy due to the Qbands, he is immune to psionic/telepathic attack, can reform at will, can absorb energy at a scale far beyond what supes operates in and is virtually immune to physical trauma (being an energy body and all). Heck, he's survived Nullificiation by the UN (countervibration's got nothing on this).
Quasar can have full control, but it doesn't mean he is immune to everything. He can sill get absorbed by someone, or something similar, right?
Also, Counter Vibration isn't just an attack. It's hard to explain it. The only thing I can come up with is numbers. If Quasar is vibrating at frequencies of 1-4, and Superman vibrates his attack to match Quasar's frequencies 1-4, then they get canceled out. They seize to exist. That as simple as I can right it out.
Frequencies cancel other frequencies if they are traveling, or vibrating the same. Those links I posted prove it, and Superman pretty much proved he can do it.
quasar ftw. everything in the universe having a vibration frequency is a trait unique to the dc universe. why would anyone think that this trait would transfer to the characters in the marvel universe.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
First thing that came to mind 😛
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Originally posted by xJLxKing
For some reason I am confusing you and Niaja.
Here is a quote from one of those linkshttp://www.dblondin.com/092506.html
""If it vibrates it can be tuned. Everything is energy - violins, people, potato chips, thoughts, feelings, and events. They all vibrate." (Spear par. 1)"
Plain and simple, then there is
In general, sound therapy is based on the theory that all things vibrate, and therefore everything can be relatively in or out of tune.This includes parts of our bodies, such as our brains, and things in our environment, like grasshoppers, or passing trains. While some of the vibrations are very obvious, heart beats, for instance, and some of them are not, such as colors, molecular proteins, DNA, and times of the day. Basically, any physical matter, or event, consists of patterns of movement, and consequently everything around us is contributing to a greater harmonic mixture.
This furthers my point that vibrations can be canceled out.http://www.mindreality.com/science-...ect-of-physical
The entire physical universe is made up of pure energy and vibration. When you have the insight to see everything as vibration, the nature of the universe is revealed to you. Light is vibration. The entire electromagnetic wave spectrum of visible light produces different colors. Colors are simply waves vibrating at different frequencies.
Good? Further moreBut it doesn’t work that way. Increasing the light intensity of warm light does not make it a lot more stimulating. Higher energy levels require higher rate of vibration. It is not the magnitude but the frequency of the vibration that determines it’s energy level. Is it any wonder that blue flame is hotter than yellow flame?
Again this further proves that Superman just has to counter the vibration to cancel it out. Something like if 7/7, they cancel each other.http://www.summum.us/philosophy/principles.shtml
This Principle embodies the idea that everything is in motion; everything vibrates; nothing is at rest; facts which science endorses and which each new scientific discovery tends to verify. Yet this Principle was enunciated thousands of years ago by masters of old. This Principle explains that the differences between various manifestations of matter, energy, space-time, mind, and even spirit result largely from varying rates of vibration.
Good?
Marvel =/= DC/Real World
That's all I need to say really. And again, counter vibration wouldn't defeat Quasar.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Again, it is different you are just using vibration and when you are counter vibrating someone else's vibration to cancel their existence.
Counter vibration is creating vibrations to cancel out the vibrations of something you want to destroy. That's how I understand the thing with Darkseid worked.
Well, Thor has shown he can withstand powerful vibrations. Just prove of Thor's durability is all.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
That's if he has time before he gets cancel. This is just something kills. It removes you from existence. It can erase though
Why wouldn't he?
Okay, it destroys Quasar. Great. Quasar reforms. Show me where his counter vibration kills someone like Quasar. Someone who if you destroy he can just return.
Darkseid does not qualify proof. A weakened Darkseid on his death bed, as nothing but a glob of energy does not mean he can defeat Quasar. Hell, it doesn't mean he can defeat anyone with counter vibrations.
He removes Quasar's current form from existence. Quasar just returns.
xjlxking u do realize that the d/c, marvel, and our universe are all different and are goverened by different physical laws and just because one thing is applicable in one doesnt necessarily mean they apply to thd others. now u proved it happens in d/c and ours now do u have proof that its ever even been mentioned, referenced or even hinted at in the marvel universe? until then it doesnt fly imho.
Marvel =/= DC/Real World That's all I need to say really. And again, counter vibration wouldn't defeat Quasar.
Counter vibration is creating vibrations to cancel out the vibrations of something you want to destroy. That's how I understand the thing with Darkseid worked. Well, Thor has shown he can withstand powerful vibrations. Just prove of Thor's durability is all.
Why wouldn't he? Okay, it destroys Quasar. Great. Quasar reforms. Show me where his counter vibration kills someone like Quasar. Someone who if you destroy he can just return. Darkseid does not qualify proof. A weakened Darkseid on his death bed, as nothing but a glob of energy does not mean he can defeat Quasar. Hell, it doesn't mean he can defeat anyone with counter vibrations. He removes Quasar's current form from existence. Quasar just returns.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
I think the Comic worlds are based on ours. They try to follow the same logic, physics, and stuff like that.
Not always or even close to always. Or else it wouldn't be a comic world.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
1- we aren't talking about Thor😄
2- Thor only took vibration which didn't match Thor's Vibration, it has to be the same frequency and power to do so.
1- I know but this is me, and I felt like throwing Thor into there.
2 - Thor matched vibrations that can apparently destroy the Phantom's people strongest metal, a race that conquered time travel etc. and Phantom works for Immortus of all people.
That's enough evidence plus the ambiguity of Superman's feat to cast doubt whether or not it would work on Thor.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
You are acting as if Quasar can't be killed, that is not the case
And exactly how can you kill sentient energy that has complete control over it's form and can reform when destroyed? Hell, he had his body destroyed when he had a physical body and he still returned.
Quasar is tailor made to beat Superman. Superman cannot harm him and Quasar can easily defeat Superman through energy draining etc.
Originally posted by Naija boy
lmao at some of the utter nonsense being suggested in this thread. SUperman absorbing Quasar, superman countervibrating quasar away....yeah freaking right. Quasar ftw.
Not always or even close to always. Or else it wouldn't be a comic world.
Granted, there are things that are added, but i did not see anything that was added about Frequencies to Marvel
1- I know but this is me, and I felt like throwing Thor into there. 2 - Thor matched vibrations that can apparently destroy the Phantom's people strongest metal, a race that conquered time travel etc. and Phantom works for Immortus of all people. That's enough evidence plus the ambiguity of Superman's feat to cast doubt whether or not it would work on Thor.
And exactly how can you kill sentient energy that has complete control over it's form and can reform when destroyed? Hell, he had his body destroyed when he had a physical body and he still returned. Quasar is tailor made to beat Superman. Superman cannot harm him and Quasar can easily defeat Superman through energy draining etc.
I don't know how to make it clear. This isn't an attack where he destroys you, but the energy is still there. It cancels it, it removes it from existence. That's something you can't reform from. Thoughts can be erased by counter vibration. This isn't like someone shooting you and the skin, meat and everything else is still there. This is something like a laser(in a way) where it incinerates you
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Time, Speed, Physics and our understanding on common things.
Black Holes are still the same
Neutron Stars, Stars, Light, Travel Speed.Granted, there are things that are added, but i did not see anything that was added about Frequencies to Marvel
Except how shit works in the comicverses are different. Black Holes, time, speed, physics are not the same. Shit gets added and changed all the time.
Silver Surfer and Thor's simply existence proves that.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
There is no need to put Thor in this. If Quanchi can hold up to his end of the bargain and actually make the Battlezone start in Feb(4 months lol), then that's where that debate will take place. At this point, I don't see how I can change your mind, right?
Okay.
You haven't shown anything for me to change my mind.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
You understand that DS was energy and Superman didn't just destroy him. He canceled him out. TO the point where he did not have any energy.I don't know how to make it clear. This isn't an attack where he destroys you, but the energy is still there. It cancels it, it removes it from existence. That's something you can't reform from. Thoughts can be erased by counter vibration. This isn't like someone shooting you and the skin, meat and everything else is still there. This is something like a laser(in a way) where it incinerates you
Darkseid =/= Quasar
What might work on him doesn't mean it would work on Quasar. Again he destroyed his energy form while weakened. That's great. He destroys Quasar's current energy form. Say he cancels it out, to the point that energy doesn't exist. Well guess what? Quasar reforms from nothing, again. He gets his powers from the Quantum Zone, and entire reservoir of energy.
Like I said. He would destroy Quasar's current energy. So what? What the **** is that going to do? Quasar simply reforms.
Like I said, incinerating Quasar won't do shit. He can come back from nothing. His pure Quantum energy.
He came back even after he had his entire human body destroyed.
Except how shit works in the comicverses are different. Black Holes, time, speed, physics are not the same. Shit gets added and changed all the time. Silver Surfer and Thor's simply existence proves that.
Okay. You haven't shown anything for me to change my mind.
Darkseid =/= Quasar What might work on him doesn't mean it would work on Quasar. Again he destroyed his energy form while weakened. That's great. He destroys Quasar's current energy form. Say he cancels it out, to the point that energy doesn't exist. Well guess what? Quasar reforms from nothing, again. He gets his powers from the Quantum Zone, and entire reservoir of energy. Like I said. He would destroy Quasar's current energy. So what? What the **** is that going to do? Quasar simply reforms. Like I said, incinerating Quasar won't do shit. He can come back from nothing. His pure Quantum energy. He came back even after he had his entire human body destroyed.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Yes, but nothing has been added to the vibration theory, so I don't see why it should be different
And that brings up the point. Is there a vibration theory in Marvel? Theory is also a key word.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
I don't plan to. Ironically, it's not in this thread
Okay.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
And you believe he can reform even if his thoughts are cancels out?
He died and came back. Do people have thoughts when they are dead?
And when did counter vibrations cancel out thoughts?